I know next to nothing about Russian history but even i can see from history that Stalin was brought in to crush and destroy the political movement that people in Russia were trying to create to make a fairer state for the majority.

1. So was Stalin a fascist?
2. Was he working for the Russian Orthodox Church or possibly Vatican church or Jesuits?

humanspirit wrote:

The bolsheviks were all out for themselves at the beginning they fought for workers rights then once they gained power lenin made strikes illegal and you could be shot for organising strikes.

Stalin was referred to as a Slavic Fascist by Benito Mussolini, somebody who imo would know.
I think he was, he made deals with Capitalists, Nazi Germany, purged Left Wing elements in his own party, targeted the Jews and destabilized popular revolutions in Spain.

I think in the case of Mao and Stalin you have to take into account the environment, and what they were trying to achieve, when Marx wrote about the socialist Revolution he was talking about countries with Material abundance, France, England or Germany where the excess created by Industrialized production could be distributed according to need.

In Russia and China they had largely agricultural economies with masses of people living humbly off the land, they had to create a material abundance in a small period of time, industrialize the peasantry and had to overwork them, whereas capitalism and abundance in Europe developed over the course of hundreds of years.

Also there was perpetual aggression from Western Powers like the US and UK during the development of the Bolsheviks, so they attempted to do within Years what the West had done within Centuries, with the opposition and resources of the Capitalist West directed against them.

Lenin and the Left Wing Bolsheviks wrote about the necessity for International support if Socialism in Russia was to succeed, lot's depended on Germany around 1919 www.marxists.org/subject/germany-1918-23/index.htm had the revolution succeeded in Germany, France and the UK may have followed and we'd be having a very different discussion today.

And let's not forget the part that the rise of the Communists played in the growth of the National Socialists.

Really Dub the failure of the Communist Revolution in Germany and the arrival of Social Democracy, led to National Socialism in Russia, and far right extremism in Germany, Trotsky and Lenin wanted the International Revolution, they knew without it Russia would be vulnerable and destined to undergo immense struggle externally and internally, if Rosa Luxemburg, Karl Leibknecht weren't assassinated in 1919 and the German Revolution was succesful, Europe and the World would be a very different shape today and we'd be minus an Adolf Hitler, Hiroshima or WWII imho.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Luxemburg#Ger...80.931919_and_murder

If you want to know about Stalin I think the best source is Leon Trotsky:
Stalin knew that having betrayed the Revolution, he needed to eliminate those who defended and embodied the ideas of Bolshevism and world revolution. First and foremost this fell to Leon Trotsky, who had been driven into exile some eleven years earlier. All the resources of the Russian state were now set in motion to carry out his assassination. Before long, Stalin had murdered several of Trotsky’s co-workers, seven of his secretaries, and four of his children – the latest being his son Leon Sedov in early 1938.

Trotsky was an outstanding revolutionary and theoretician. As early as 1904, he expounded this theory of the Permanent Revolution, which was confirmed in practice by the October Revolution. Trotsky had spent his entire life in the revolutionary movement, led the Petrograd Soviet in 1905, led with Lenin the October Revolution in 1917, created the Red Army from scratch, helped build the Third International, then, fighting against the Stalinist bureaucracy, was cast from power and forced into exile by Stalin.

in January 1937, with the announcement of Stalinist trials of Radek, Pyatakov and others, Trotsky literally put his life on the line to speak the truth about a Revolution betrayed: “How could these Old Bolsheviks, who went through the jails and exiles of Tsarism, who were the heroes of the civil war, the leaders of industry, the builders of the party, diplomats, turn out at the moment of the ‘the complete victory of socialism’ to be saboteurs, allies of fascism, organisers of espionage, agents of capitalist restoration? Who can believe such accusations? How can anyone be made to believe them? And why is Stalin compelled to tie up the fate of his personal rule with these monstrous, impossible, nightmarish juridical trials?
(Writings, 1936-37, p.121)

Powerful stuff I think you'll agree?

He went on to describe the Moscow frame-ups as “the greatest political crime of our epoch and, perhaps, of all epochs.”

The Revolution Betrayed

Thanks for your replies Gue­varista

Leon Trot­sky sounds like an interesting individual in the way that he envisaged Per­ma­nent Rev­o­lu­tion,like somebody striving for perfection.It makes sense as each new clique would create the possibility of nepotism,overprivileged hierarchy and a new struggle for equality and fairness would evolve?far more visionary than the medieval backwards system we have in the Uk,people with titles before their names and the majority of citizens being classed as slaves by law in the UK ie not titled or land owners.

Citizens in the UK really have evolved to be ignorant slave like people LOL,they prefer to argue and fight amongst themselves.