lolwut

For me it would be a party that said "None of the above".
It's manifesto would call this countries troops back home.
It would pull us out of Europe.
It would pull us out of NATO and the ilk.
It would leave the Civil Service and MI5 to handle the day to day running. (Belgium was run by its civil service for 2 years very successfully...I'm not sure if they still don't have a government)
Close all borders to immigration.
With all the money the country would save we would have more jobs building and improving schools and hospitals.
Community spirit and personnal responsibility would be promoted......
Yes you could call this a 'year zero'.....but as far as I am concerned a massive Fung Shui needs to be done, fundamental principals set in place that no matter what colour or creed you are we all as human beings want and understand.
Call me a fachist/commie or whatever.....call me a dreamer.....pick holes in what I have said, I know its not complete, its just my view, my pipe dream.
Going for my second

Jane

batou wrote:



That was the best way to start my morning!

The entire framework of representative democracy is rotten. It is flipped on it's head. Inherently designed to dis-empower the people.
There's no denying it because the evidence is clear.

To vote within that system is to support that system and I say this, if you vote, quit your mithering about what happens because of the system because it's your fault. You brought it on yourselves and us all.

Representative democracy isn't rotten, it no longer exists in Europe full stop.

dubmeup wrote:
Bang on the nail.
Voters are part of the problem not the solution.

diamondgeezer wrote:
Maybe Switzerland but it's weak there too.

www.historylearningsite.co.uk/representative_democracy.htm

Well as Switzerland isn't in the EU, democracy is at least still a possibility in that country I suppose..

dubmeup wrote:
Thats bollocks dubs, sorry..

The people who now make our decisions for us and who pass acts which become British law weren't elected by us or anyone else.

So clearly Britain is not a representative democracy.

diamondgeezer wrote: Please explain this comment DG

diamondgeezer wrote:
You mean the EU kommissars?

I would advise against registering to vote, let alone actually turning up to do so.

Wot andy sed above dubs.

The EU. There are now so many 'laws' being imposed upon us on a daily basis by unelected eurocrats, it is literally impossible to keep up with them all. Fact.

Just one unpleasant EU fact amongst many. The subject needs a thread of its own really.

wake_up_bomb wrote:
I actually have the legal option to refuse to register to vote in Ireland and I have exercised that right

dubmeup wrote: So potentially you would support a Communist revolution?

wake_up_bomb wrote: Why? Surely that's terrible advice considering the fines they threaten you with?
And another 17.
www.hounslowchronicle.co.uk/west-london-...nes-109642-21100243/

Fined for giving false information.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1454864/...ng-cows-to-vote.html

7 Convictions Scarborough
www.scarborough.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=14346

@DG, as far as I am aware the EU does not have the power to make British 'law'.
By supporting the British government you are supporting Britain's place in the EU. Under the British system of representative democracy you are handing the right to chose to the government. That government chooses to let overarching 'law' be passed by the EU.

@Gue, no I would not be supporting a Communist revolution.

diamondgeezer wrote:
Indeed it does.

I suppose proper representative democracy would have you voting for more than just MP's, you'd vote for judges, district police chiefs (sheriffs I suppose) and you'd get to vote for council members too etc.
There would also be no such thing as a house of lords or a senate or whatever. There should also only be 1 system of courts imho and there should be a limit on how many f**king lawyers there can be as MP's.
There should also be no charge or cost imposed on running to be an MP other than your own advertising and no group associated with picking 'nominees' etc.
The levels of corruption in place are quite evident.
The worst one of all is royal prerogative, royalty ought to have sod all power whatsoever.

The present system represents artificial group entities, churches, charities, unions, corporations etc etc.
It does NOT represent individuals, only a libertarian party would be interested in such a thing and ofc the present system with its financial penalties for failing to get votes etc only serves to undermine such real choice and therefore imho defeats the whole object of having democracy in the first place because such small parties cannot ever possibly get a candidate to cover all areas.

Proportional rep doesn't solve the problem either, Irelands been using it (or should I say ABusing it) for quite some time.
The candidates end up getting piles of votes and are then allowed to add their votes to their running mates or whoever they like which makes candidates into supervoters. Its a bloody joke. Rigged all the way, always has been and always will be.

The only way to get what you really want as an individual now is to get educated, skilled up and self employed and off grid as much as possible, paying as little tax as possible and participating as little as possible and encouraging as many others to do the same.

Sure, it'll probably not make a dent but at least you tried and did the right ethical thing. Libertarianism isn't 'politics' to me, its a way of living your life, a state of mind. There is no room for compromise with it.

Guevarista wrote: Yeah, people are convicted all the time for not having a television licence. Honestly, if you can't get through life without avoiding the TVLA and not registering to vote, you probably shouldn't go out the house without supervision.