dubmeup wrote:
Guevarista wrote:
How do you think Marx suggested equality and removal of class oppression?
By taking the weapon of "the state" out of the hands of the Bourgeoisie, which is uses to enforce an economic basis for all human interactions.
There has been zero theoretical discourse as powerful as Marx's IMO for overthrowing the basis of inequality, exploitation etc..
Which kind of leads us back to mondragon and related concepts.
Andy and i have both waxed lyrical about self employment as you know. Not because we're capitalist to the core but because within this current system it's a very simple way for an individual to grab some of the power over their own affairs back from the state. Co-ops such as mondragon provide the same function. They take much power back for the individuals within. This is not me saying my view is we should all aspire to be se or co-op members. It's just about tangible steps away from this crock of shite system.
I know you've referred to this view as being petit bourgeousie....for my part i'll say i can't see how i qualify for that 'class' so i don't consider it a pb view.
With regard to discourse on this, i do try, i regularly start threads aiming to stimulate discourse on not overthrowing the system, but calmly walking away to a future of our own.
Perhaps, if those threads and similar were approached by contributors in a conducive manner, one day we or some other group may just top marx's contribution....ir you catch my drift
Yeah mondragon is just a way for a large group of people to discover the good side of self employment, help them keep their wealth and in general just have a better run of things than anyone else does in standard paye employment.
Its not perfection nor does it overthrow the system (unless millions started doing it in which case something might happen).
The states tax take and oppression comes from the bottom and the middle anyway, if it loses it then its goosed.
I doubt such a scenario would arise though because not enough people are either aware of it or for that matter willing to put the effort into it. And who can blame them tbh? You may aswell stay on the dole and stay single and bollocks to it all.
