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English Defence League 'plans huge demo' in Manchester 06 Jan 2013 22:18 #1

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Manchester is braced for another mass demonstration by the far-right English Defence League.

The group has announced it plans a huge rally in the city centre from 1pm on March 2.

Already more than 500 people have vowed to attend the march.

Manchester was ­brought to a standstill last time the EDL visited the city in 2009, with a counter-protest by United Against Fascism.

The two sides were involved in a five-hour face-off and separated by riot police. Some 48 people were arrested during the day.

Estimates suggested the security operation cost the city £800,000.

Since then the EDL – led by Tommy Robinson – has held a number of other demonstrations, the last in Hyde last year.

The Hyde protests led to calls from cash-strapped leaders of Tameside Council and police bosses for the EDL to pay something towards the huge security operation and clean-up.

The EDL announced its ‘national demo’ on its Facebook page on Christmas Eve.

More than 500 people from all over the country immediately vowed to attend and more than a hundred others said they may join.

Its website describes the EDL as ‘peacefully protesting against militant Islam’ even though many of their demonstrations have been marred by trouble.

One, who described himself as ‘Tommy English’, wrote: “Can't wait!!!!!”

Others wrote: “Manchester is my city and I will fight for it” and “2013 will be our year!”

One wrote: “If I’m off my ban I will go.”

A spokesman for Greater Manchester Police said: “We are currently in the process of starting dialogue with the organisers.”

Pat Karney, the council’s city-centre spokesman, said: “We live in an open democracy so we respect different points of view.

“But there is no place in modern Manchester for this racist thuggery. They certainly won’t be welcome in our city.

Its not often I agree with Pat Karney....
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Rumour has it even the infidels are waiting for them!

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English Defence League 'plans huge demo' in Manchester 06 Jan 2013 22:37 #3

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Although I disagree with them on virtually every issue apart from Sharia Law - which they mistakenly think will be introduced in Britain - I do support their right to demonstrate peacefully. Assuming that it can be kept such.
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I've got no time for them, even though I myself am not a fan of radical Islam.

The EDL website looks very 'reasonable' and all that, but we all know what they really are don't we.
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wake_up_bomb wrote:
Although I disagree with them on virtually every issue apart from Sharia Law - which they mistakenly think will be introduced in Britain - I do support their right to demonstrate peacefully. Assuming that it can be kept such.

re the bolded bit....to be fair, it already has been in that many muslim women are already subject to them (Sharia courts)....supposedly on a 'voluntary' basis.

But we can all see the flaws there too surely?
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English Defence League 'plans huge demo' in Manchester 06 Jan 2013 22:53 #6

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diamondgeezer wrote:
I've got no time for them, even though I myself am not a fan of radical Islam.

The EDL website looks very 'reasonable' and all that, but we all know what they really are don't we.
I just don't think they're very bright. They like to say stuff like this:
Although Tommy is detained at her majesties governments pleasure, Kev tells our government and it's political puppets we are very much alive and kicking, no surrender means exactly that!

And then one of their key mission statements is:
DEMOCRACY AND THE RULE OF LAW: Promoting Democracy And The Rule Of Law

You've already got that, mate. It was the democratically elected 'puppets' what let all them Muslims into the country in the first place, remember?

They're just confused people who don't have any real answers to anything. I don't think they're all necessarily bad people, although obviously it will attract that element.diamondgeezer wrote:
re the bolded bit....to be fair, it already has been in that many muslim women are already subject to them....supposedly on a 'voluntary' basis.

But we can all see the flaws there too surely?
Yes, but they believe that Sharia will become the central practice in the UK, and that the parliament and hundreds of years of the British legal system which protects the status quo and the wealthy, and does little for the people that are members of the EDL, will just roll over. I find that unlikely. Secondly, I'm far from crazy about many things that go on under the guise of Islam, but it's ultimately up to the people involved to rebel, or in the case of countries revolt, if they're opposed to it. This may be difficult, but there have been many bloody revolutions over the years. The last thing we need is the State to be handed more power to legislate over people's lives.
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English Defence League 'plans huge demo' in Manchester 06 Jan 2013 23:04 #7

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You've already got that, mate. It was the democratically elected 'puppets' what let all them Muslims into the country in the first place, remember?

I say to people who have anti-muslim sentiment in Australia... "why are they here" or words/phrases to that effect.

If they havent a clue where to begin i then remind them of what has been happenning in the middle east.

If the penny still doesnt drop, i then remind them whos face is on the penny. :hahano:
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If the penny still doesnt drop, i then remind them whos face is on the penny. :hahano:
It goes without saying, of course, that the EDL are generally pro-monarchy. And they like to stick up for "our freedoms" by throwing stuff at people who criticise the monarchy:

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It goes without saying, of course, that the EDL are generally pro-monarchy.

Funny how that works hey. :umm:

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English Defence League 'plans huge demo' in Manchester 07 Jan 2013 14:15 #10

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EDL leader jailed over passport

English Defence League leader Stephen Lennon was today jailed for 10 months at Southwark Crown Court after pleading guilty to using someone else's passport to get into the United States.
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Lennon guilty plea showed 'courage'

In mitigation, his defence barrister, Giles Cockings, told the court that Lennon had not stolen the passport, and had only used it for a day.

He told the court his client had pleaded guilty immediately, demonstrating "a certain amount of courage".

He went on:

Perhaps what screams volumes from this particular case are two main areas.

Firstly, this passport was not stolen, it was lent by a friend for whatever purpose.

Secondly, he was only using the passport, it transpires, for a day and a half. In fact he only spent one evening in the United States of America.

I think the intention was simply to avoid a necessity for a visa into the United States.

Upon realising that in actual fact it was not going to assist matters, on realising he had committed an offence, he used his own passport to come back.

It is not, I would suggest, the most aggravating of cases of this kind.
www.itv.com/news/story/2013-01-07/edl-le...nt-of-courage_141811

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Locked up for being an illegal :killinme: :chuckle: :rofl:
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English Defence League 'plans huge demo' in Manchester 07 Jan 2013 14:24 #11

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EDL leader jailed over passport

English Defence League leader Stephen Lennon was today jailed for 10 months at Southwark Crown Court after pleading guilty to using someone else's passport to get into the United States.
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Lennon guilty plea showed 'courage'

In mitigation, his defence barrister, Giles Cockings, told the court that Lennon had not stolen the passport, and had only used it for a day.

He told the court his client had pleaded guilty immediately, demonstrating "a certain amount of courage".

He went on:

Perhaps what screams volumes from this particular case are two main areas.

Firstly, this passport was not stolen, it was lent by a friend for whatever purpose.

Secondly, he was only using the passport, it transpires, for a day and a half. In fact he only spent one evening in the United States of America.

I think the intention was simply to avoid a necessity for a visa into the United States.

Upon realising that in actual fact it was not going to assist matters, on realising he had committed an offence, he used his own passport to come back.

It is not, I would suggest, the most aggravating of cases of this kind.
www.itv.com/news/story/2013-01-07/edl-le...nt-of-courage_141811

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Locked up for being an illegal :killinme: :chuckle: :rofl:

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Do we know what his previous conviction was?
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hugorune wrote:

Do we know what his previous conviction was?

Assaulting plod that intervened in a 'domestic' between him and his missus at the time.
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Do we know what his previous conviction was?

Assaulting plod that intervened in a 'domestic' between him and his missus at the time.

The EDL, or should that be E-E-EDL, are a constant source of amusement . :)

Remember, they aren't racist. They have a Hindu, can't be racist if you have a Hindu. ;)
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hugorune wrote:
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Do we know what his previous conviction was?

Assaulting plod that intervened in a 'domestic' between him and his missus at the time.

The EDL, or should that be E-E-EDL, are a constant source of amusement . :)

Remember, they aren't racist. They have a Hindu, can't be racist if you have a Hindu. ;)

That'll be why they intend turning up to attack a demo out side the Greek embassy later this month opposing the (definitely not) racist Golden Dawn :D

Oh yeah, Tommy is up on a mortgage fraud charge in May too :chuckle:
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oioioi wrote:
hugorune wrote:
oioioi wrote:
hugorune wrote:

Do we know what his previous conviction was?

Assaulting plod that intervened in a 'domestic' between him and his missus at the time.

The EDL, or should that be E-E-EDL, are a constant source of amusement . :)

Remember, they aren't racist. They have a Hindu, can't be racist if you have a Hindu. ;)

That'll be why they intend turning up to attack a demo out side the Greek embassy later this month opposing the (definitely not) racist Golden Dawn :D

Oh yeah, Tommy is up on a mortgage fraud charge in May too :chuckle:

They are the gift that keeps on giving. :D
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They've supposedly attacked various Occupy events, which is sure to get people on their side...
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They've supposedly attacked various Occupy events, which is sure to get people on their side...

How to win friends and influence people. :D

They don't need an opposition movement, they do a good enough job on their own.
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He should be popular inside.....
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Since the first video appeared on YouTube in the spring of 2009 of the unmasked "Tommy Robinson", followed up later that year in the autumn by EDL co-founder Paul Ray giving the name Stephen Yaxley Lennon, intrigue and subterfuge has always accompanied all discussions about the wider purpose of the EDL amidst a world of dirty tricks, state collusions and conspiracy theories.

The judge surprisingly called Tommy's "Paul Harris" passport "his real passport", whilst jailing him in the name of Stephen Yaxley Lennon. And then he went onto imply that his "real name" might not be known inside the public realm.

This is probably the first case of its kind in modern legal history when a UK citizen born in the United Kingdom, known to the tax system as a self-employed businessman, has had the shadow of doubt cast upon his actual identity in a UK court of law. This does make everybody wander what, who and why did Tommy Robinson set up the EDL and under whose instructions.
If you subscribe to Hitler-worshiping fansite Stormfront, the answer will of course be a global Zionist conspiracy designed to subvert the true essence of the far right. Well they would say that, calling the EDL as a tool of the mythical and mysterious "ZOG". Yes, the EDL are funded by American neo-conservative types who heavily promote Israel, but most people believe the American-based Global Islamophobic Movement linked up with Israel simply to "curry favour" with tea party Republican party senators, as conservative US foreign policy has, since the 1970s, regarded Israel as a close ally of the US. Flying Israeli flags at EDL marches also served a dual purpose of opposing everything that most British Muslims stand for, such as freedom for Palestine and its people.

Jewish mavericks might have thought it was useful idea to help promote a far right person with less candid anti-semitism, to take the heat off an intolerant world where more and more Jewish graves are vandalised by neo-nazis, but the EDL was established long before Golden Dawn or the financial crisis that predated it, which blows this particular conspiracy theory out the water.

So, if the Hitler worshippers of the BNP and NF are talking racist bollocks as always, and yet, the judge in the fake passport trial points the finger at Tommy Robinson having more than one official identity, what other sorts of conspiracy might be happening, ones powered by feasible logic not ten foot lizards at Bilderburg get togethers???

The four most believable conspiracies for a state-controlled fascist group, which leap off the page, are as follows: -

Conspiracy One: - Set up when troops were moved from Iraq to Afganistan, another unpopular war also opposed by most taxpayers, the EDL was set up to instill American-style patriotic fervour which would lessen opposition to British Foreign Policy amongst the working classes.

Conspiracy Two: - Gordon Brown was ahead at the polls when the EDL came to prominence, so it might have been assumed the Labour Party were all-set for another term in office, the worry to the Establishment being the danger of Labour rediscovering its left wing heritage put in hibernation by Tony Blair, (or "Tony Bliar" as he was known at the time). A British secret service operation answerable to nobody yet loyal to the old school tie, could have foresaw "reds re-emerging from under the beds" and acted decisively, just as they did by tarnishing Arthur Scargill's reputation to keep Maggie Thatcher in office during the Miners' Strike, creating an ugly xenophobic underbelly of Alf Garnets especially designed to tilt taproom gut-reaction public opinion towards the right, by getting thousands of "muggy mushrooms" to march repetitively up and down town centres tanked up with brains firmly switched-off, in the pouring British rain.

Conspiracy Three: - Since Tony Blair and his friend George Bush had been publicly exposed as liars by public inquiries for the reasons Britain went to war in Iraq, the dying embers of leftwing radicalism were reborn at the point of extinction. 2009 was like the birth of the Sixties happening all over again, as people began to see the real story of New Labour and all its failings. What was starting with the man in the street questioning public foreign policy, would have soon began questioning poverty, NHS cuts, and even the necessity of paying the Royal Family out of the public purse. Mobilising a ready-made army of football hooligans and fascist thugs with Yaxley Lennon, Paul Ray and Alan Ayling's help, was the ultimate distraction tactic to keep radical British left wingers preoccupied with time-consuming, immediate anti-fascist concerns.

Conspiracy Four: - The Public Political Chess Game: i.e., by creating a chess game in which Anjem Choudary and Stephen Yaxley Lennon were both rabble-rousing, and bringing people out onto the streets, unmasked before TV cameras, both pro and anti, was an invaluable exercise for the state to keep tabs upon both left and right. Like setting up cheese on the mousetrap, both Choudary and Lennon helped to expose the secret identities of radical Islamists, neo-nazis, and anti-capitalist anarchists, in one fell swoop, adding names and photos to databases. When thousands of EDLers used to turn up into cities such as Manchester with its state-of-the-art surveillance, once the police made people take their masks off, every last participant could be photographed, tracked and manipulated from the comfort of a police control centre.

Whether one particular conspiracy theory is true, they are all true, or portions of them are true, one thing is for sure, once David Cameron entered Number 10, and the Coalition started to cut back on public services, whilst it was not beyond the realms of possibility that hardline Islamophobia and violent extreme rightwing street thuggery might have notionally been welcomed by the "Monday Club" set, suddenly, almost overnight, the EDL became unwanted by the state. As with the Northern League in Italy, Britain's post-BNP far right had done their job (by whatever means) of helping getting a conservative prime minister elected to office.

Their official role (whatever that was) was now over, and Stephen Yaxley Lennon would have got a handsome payout from manila envelopes for many years to come, but greedy as he was, he saw merchandising opportunities forevermore. Thus the state-controlled EDL continued as a commercial enterprise, causing splits, ill-feeling and discontement amonst the ranks, whilst the Sun and the Daily Mail, from the point of David Cameron entering office, began to take a robustly anti-EDL stance.

As with the National Front, who in the 1970s, had colluded with racists in the Metropolitan Police to intimidate, bully and harrass liberals and leftwingers, once the Tories enter office, any state collusion and funding of fascism, is almost automaticaoly decomissioned. The hate stories about Muslims and asylum seekers still continue in the rightwing press under the Coalition (despite running occassional Searchlight / Hope Not Hate press releases about the EDL), but purely as a lobby tool, to keep wooly politicians under check.....
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