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Most Americans Unknowingly Commit Three Felonies Every Day 17 Jan 2013 23:19 #1

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The death of Internet activist Aaron Swartz has generated a lot of discussion about the power of prosecutors -- particularly federal prosecutors. This is a good thing. The conversation is long overdue. But the discussion needs to go well beyond Swartz and the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.

Prosecutors have enormous power. Even investigations that don't result in any charges can ruin lives, ruin reputations, and drive their targets into bankruptcy. It has become an overtly political position -- in general, but particularly at the federal level. If a prosecutor wants to ruin your life, he or she can. Even if you've done nothing wrong, there isn't a whole lot you can do about it.

There are a number of factors that got us here, and it's worth looking at them in turn.

We have too many laws.

There have been a number of projects that attempted to count the total number of federal criminal laws. They usually give up. The federal criminal code is just too complex, too convoluted, and too weighted down with duplications, overlapping laws, and other complications to come to a definite number. But by most estimates, there are at least 4,000 separate criminal laws at the federal level, with another 10,000 to 300,000 regulations that can be enforced criminally. Just this year 400 new federal laws took effect, as did 29,000 new state laws. The civil libertarian and defense attorney Harvey Silverglate has argued that most Americans now unknowingly now commit about three felonies per day.

But you, citizen, are expected to know and comply with all of these laws. That isn't possible, of course. It would probably take you most of the year to understand them all, at which point you'd have the next year's batch of new laws to learn. You'd probably also need to hire a team of attorneys to help you translate the laws into terms you can understand. After the McCain-Feingold legislation passed in 2003, for example, both parties held weekly, three-hour classes just to educate members of Congress on how to comply with the bill they had just passed. This is a bill they wrote that applied to themselves, and they still had to bring in high-paid lawyers explain to them how not to break it.

Most of us don't have that option. And it's absurd that someone should have to hire an attorney or tax accountant merely to pay their taxes, run a business, run for office, or start a political organization without fear of getting hit with exorbitant fines, or going to jail.

Worse, while we citizens can go to prison for unwittingly breaking laws of which we weren't aware, prosecutors and law enforcement officers who wrongly arrest, charge, and try citizens based on a misunderstanding of the law generally face no sanction or repercussions. Under the doctrine of qualified immunity, a police officer who illegally arrests someone because he wasn't aware of the law can only be held liable if the law in question was "clearly established" at the time he violated it. Prosecutors are protected by absolute immunity, which basically shields them from liability no matter how egregious their mistakes.

We need to move away from the idea that every act we find immoral, repugnant, or unsavory needs to be criminalized. Every new criminal law gives prosecutors more power. Once we have so many laws that it's likely we're all breaking at least one of them, the prosecutor's job is no longer about enforcing the laws, but about choosing which laws to enforce. It's then a short slide to the next step: Choosing what people need to be made into criminals, then simply picking the laws necessary to make that happen.

Full article is here:

www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/16/the-po...8653.html?1358359916
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Most Americans Unknowingly Commit Three Felonies Every Day 17 Jan 2013 23:24 #2

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Once we have so many laws that it's likely we're all breaking at least one of them, the prosecutor's job is no longer about enforcing the laws, but about choosing which laws to enforce. It's then a short slide to the next step: Choosing what people need to be made into criminals, then simply picking the laws necessary to make that happen.

That's really scarey.
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Most Americans Unknowingly Commit Three Felonies Every Day 17 Jan 2013 23:39 #3

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psketti wrote:
That's really scarey.
One thing the article doesn't mention is private prisons and the insane growth in the US prison population:

US Incarceration Timeline Clean


500px Prison Populations


It's pretty much the only growth industry left apart from financial fraud.
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The land of the free eh :roll:
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The chart is the perfect way to explain Ronald Reagan's war on drugs. :point: 1980
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.......... wrote:
The chart is the perfect way to explain Ronald Reagan's war on drugs. :point: 1980
This is definitely one of the big factors, yes. It is worth pointing out that the policies have barely changed since then. But the 'War on Drugs' is just part of a remit of making an increasing underclass of people that aren't profitable to vested interests useful to banking and corporate sectors.
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Most Americans Unknowingly Commit Three Felonies Every Day 18 Jan 2013 00:19 #7

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The chart is the perfect way to explain Ronald Reagan's war on drugs. :point: 1980

1980 is a key period in time.
There was the famous Thatcher and Reagan 'omics' birth and it was also the birth of the computer age.
Both of these facilitated a MASSIVE move of monetary wealth into the hands of a few. It was basically the birth of globalism, the EU proper and all we see happening today.
It also coincides with massive social unrest in the UK which also coincides with that moment in time.
I've lived through it and seen it with my own eyes and am 101% convinced.

Its very important to understand and get to the bottom of imho, the war on drugs you mention is also a part of it, just as is the rampant CIA activity at the time in other areas, along with the IMF.
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Most Americans Unknowingly Commit Three Felonies Every Day 18 Jan 2013 08:42 #8

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Andy, you are correct. It might have something to do with this article. This was written by Chomsky in 1981.

www.chomsky.info/books/priorities01.htm

Good article WUB and essentially is describing the implimentatio of ad hoc law. :couch: :scotty:
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Most Americans Unknowingly Commit Three Felonies Every Day 18 Jan 2013 15:18 #9

Worse, while we citizens can go to prison for unwittingly breaking laws of which we weren't aware, prosecutors and law enforcement officers who wrongly arrest, charge, and try citizens based on a misunderstanding of the law generally face no sanction or repercussions. Under the doctrine of qualified immunity, a police officer who illegally arrests someone because he wasn't aware of the law can only be held liable if the law in question was "clearly established" at the time he violated it. Prosecutors are protected by absolute immunity, which basically shields them from liability no matter how egregious their mistakes.

Meaning... it doesn’t work both ways.
If the law being used to accuse or arrest someone was obscure, convolutedly written, open to interpretation, nor it was ‘clearly established’ the police/prosecutor walks free. But the same principle is not extended to the ordinary citizen: the civilian’s ignorance of the law s/he is allegedly breaking is no excuse nor absolution of the violation committed.
Same rule applies to border control authorities; they can accuse you, single you out, detain you, pat you down, interrogate you etc and if you’re clean/innocent there’s no recourse for you to have been ‘inconvinienced’ for no good reason.

This is why police can detain you for virtually anything and they laugh at your face when you’re start protesting about ‘rights’, they know they’re untouchable, they can do whatever they want and there’s very little if anything you can do to get them back if you’re unfairly treated or worse; assaulted.
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Most Americans Unknowingly Commit Three Felonies Every Day 18 Jan 2013 15:33 #10

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mikey mikey wrote:
Andy, you are correct. It might have something to do with this article. This was written by Chomsky in 1981.

www.chomsky.info/books/priorities01.htm

Good article WUB and essentially is describing the implimentatio of ad hoc law. :couch: :scotty:
Again, this is the kind of thing that gets dismissed as being a 'conspiracy theory' even though it's 100% documented.
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Most Americans Unknowingly Commit Three Felonies Every Day 18 Jan 2013 16:08 #11

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Can we just get a 'correct again!' button added to the forum for me to use when answering WUB's posts? :p
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Most Americans Unknowingly Commit Three Felonies Every Day 18 Jan 2013 20:16 #12

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I think it's the same over here - there are new laws being pushed through over here by the lorry-load which people don't know about - till they fall foul of them I should think.
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andyh wrote:
Can we just get a 'correct again!' button added to the forum for me to use when answering WUB's posts? :p

It be more efficient to get a "Perhaps WUB is wrong" and assume by default that he is. Cos he usually is.

In the meantime WUB :urok:
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