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Elderly people 'Hurry up and die' 23 Jan 2013 12:32 #1

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I suspect this view is quite widely held globally in the upper echelons at the moment.
This nutcase is just honest enough to blurt it out.
Each day I read more of this stuff, it gets more and more blatant and I wonder where the snap point will come and what will come after.

It won't get messy, it already is.


Let elderly people 'hurry up and die', says Japanese minister
Taro Aso says he would refuse end-of-life care and would 'feel bad' knowing treatment was paid for by government.

Taro Aso 010

Taro Aso referred to elderly patients who are no longer able to feed themselves as 'tube people'

Japan's new government is barely a month old, and already one of its most senior members has insulted tens of millions of voters by suggesting that the elderly are an unnecessary drain on the country's finances.

Taro Aso, the finance minister, said on Monday that the elderly should be allowed to "hurry up and die" to relieve pressure on the state to pay for their medical care.

"Heaven forbid if you are forced to live on when you want to die. I would wake up feeling increasingly bad knowing that [treatment] was all being paid for by the government," he said during a meeting of the national council on social security reforms. "The problem won't be solved unless you let them hurry up and die."

Aso's comments are likely to cause offence in Japan, where almost a quarter of the 128 million population is aged over 60. The proportion is forecast to rise to 40% over the next 50 years.

The remarks are also an unwelcome distraction for the new prime minister, Shinzo Abe, whose first period as Japan's leader ended with his resignation after just a year, in 2007, partly due to a string of gaffes by members of his cabinet.

Rising welfare costs, particularly for the elderly, were behind a decision last year to double consumption [sales] tax to 10% over the next three years, a move Aso's Liberal Democratic party supported.

The 72-year-old, who doubles as deputy prime minister, said he would refuse end-of-life care. "I don't need that kind of care," he said in comments quoted by local media, adding that he had written a note instructing his family to deny him life-prolonging medical treatment.

To compound the insult, he referred to elderly patients who are no longer able to feed themselves as "tube people". The health and welfare ministry, he added, was "well aware that it costs several tens of millions of yen" a month to treat a single patient in the final stages of life.

Cost aside, caring for the elderly is a major challenge for Japan's stretched social services. According to a report this week, the number of households receiving welfare, which include family members aged 65 or over, stood at more than 678,000, or about 40% of the total. The country is also tackling a rise in the number of people who die alone, most of whom are elderly. In 2010, 4.6 million elderly people lived alone, and the number who died at home soared 61% between 2003 and 2010, from 1,364 to 2,194, according to the bureau of social welfare and public health in Tokyo.

The government is planning to reduce welfare expenditure in its next budget, due to go into force this April, with details of the cuts expected within days.

Aso, who has a propensity for verbal blunders, later attempted to clarify his comments. He acknowledged his language had been "inappropriate" in a public forum and insisted he was talking only about his personal preference.

"I said what I personally believe, not what the end-of-life medical care system should be," he told reporters. "It is important that you be able spend the final days of your life peacefully."

It is not the first time Aso, one of Japan's wealthiest politicians, has questioned the state's duty towards its large elderly population. In 2008, while serving as prime minister, he described "doddering" pensioners as tax burdens who should take better care of their health.

"I see people aged 67 or 68 at class reunions who dodder around and are constantly going to the doctor," he said at a meeting of economists. "Why should I have to pay for people who just eat and drink and make no effort? I walk every day and do other things, but I'm paying more in taxes."

He had already angered the country's doctors by telling them they lacked common sense, made a joke about Alzheimer's patients, and pronounced "penniless young men" unfit for marriage.

In 2001, he said he wanted Japan to become the kind of successful country in which "the richest Jews would want to live".

He once likened an opposition party to the Nazis, praised Japan's colonial rule in Taiwan and, as foreign minister, told US diplomats they would never be trusted in Middle East peace negotiations because they have "blue eyes and blond hair".

While figures released on Monday showed a record 2.14 million Japanese were receiving welfare in October 2012, Aso has led a life of privilege few of his compatriots could hope to match.

He is the grandson of Shigeru Yoshida, an influential postwar prime minister, and is married to the daughter of another former premier.
While campaigning for the premiership in 2008, Aso refused to acknowledge the use of hundreds of allied prisoners of war by his family's coal mining business during the second world war. He served as president of the firm's successor, Aso Cement, from 1973-79.
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Elderly people 'Hurry up and die' 23 Jan 2013 12:48 #2

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Soulless fuckers don't even bother pretending to hold human life as being valuable.
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Elderly people 'Hurry up and die' 23 Jan 2013 13:24 #3

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We're hearing the same message everywhere though just delivered more subtley.
Retire later
Expect less pension
What pension you do get will end up means-tested
Oh you're disabled or infirm? You're a fucking burden too!
National Health Service? LOL GTFO we're selling that shnizzle!

All the things which prolonged life expectancy are being slowly withdrawn.
Unless you have the ca$h monies.
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Elderly people 'Hurry up and die' 23 Jan 2013 13:29 #4

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Yep, and even people who've worked hard their whole lives often don't have much cash to show for it. They'll find a way of convincing people that compulsory euthanasia's a great idea, and the only moral way to go, before long. Evil little pigs!
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Elderly people 'Hurry up and die' 23 Jan 2013 13:40 #5

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Taro Aso hmmm sounds like tear n asshole :p


This basically boils down to the low fertility rate I've harped on about for ages, there simply isn't the youngblood coming to pay the taxes for it all.
Of course it takes time for the 'die-off' so to speak so we will still see a climb in global population numbers until it peaks around 2045.

You'll note that Attenborough and other such eugenics shills harp on about overpopulation (which ofc is a complete myth).

The issues we have boil down to resources hogging selfish rich bastards and stupid policies which they themselves have ensured are implemented.
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Elderly people 'Hurry up and die' 23 Jan 2013 20:05 #6

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Logans Runa


...I'd like to say this is a bit dramatic, but I really don't think it is. Gawd 'elp us - ALL. In fact, looking at it, just imagine a nice Apple logo on that centre console and some brand advertising on those borders all the way round.

:facepalm:
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Elderly people 'Hurry up and die' 23 Jan 2013 20:29 #7

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Ab Origine wrote:
Logans Runa


...I'd like to say this is a bit dramatic, but I really don't think it is. Gawd 'elp us - ALL. In fact, looking at it, just imagine a nice Apple logo on that centre console and some brand advertising on those borders all the way round.

:facepalm:

It'll go down in the history books that all taking part were worshipped as heroes, and were highly privileged to have been able to serve their communities by doing so. :roll:
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Elderly people 'Hurry up and die' 23 Jan 2013 23:05 #8

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I don't even know what I'm looking at in that picture :think:

Should I? :emb: :D
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Elderly people 'Hurry up and die' 23 Jan 2013 23:57 #9

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I don't even know what I'm looking at in that picture :think:

Should I? :emb: :D
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Another warning turning into a template. :mad:
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Elderly people 'Hurry up and die' 24 Jan 2013 01:56 #10

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In 1841 in England life expectancy for men was 40.2 years and for women it was 42.2 years.Previous to that it was late 30's.

With better health care,diet and safer working conditions it has risen to 85-89 years.

Will this age drop again through the better health care,diet and working conditions being taken from us piece by piece?
naivety attracts evil and evil attracts naivety
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Elderly people 'Hurry up and die' 24 Jan 2013 03:57 #11

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If they really want to lower the age of death, then they need to cut the tax on cigarettes and alcohol again. I've recently quit smoking (or am at least trying to), but that's only because of the cost. I'm not particularly worried about the health risks. If they cut the tax on cigs and made them half price, I imagine that a lot of people would take it up again.

So if there really is a conspiracy to kill us off early, then the high tax on tobacco for a start, makes that particular conspiracy theory look illogical.
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Elderly people 'Hurry up and die' 24 Jan 2013 04:10 #12

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whilst people are still able to 'contribute' it 'pays' to keep them healthy for as long as possible to keep them on the conveyor belt - what the greedy fucks want is for those deemed a 'drain' to die off - like sending horses to the glue factory once they stop 'winning'
Sometimes, if you stand on the bottom rail of a bridge and lean over to watch the river slipping slowly away beneath you, you will suddenly know everything there is to be known.

“Just living is not enough, one must have sunshine, freedom, and a little flower”
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Elderly people 'Hurry up and die' 24 Jan 2013 04:49 #13

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"non-producers' are being targeted for vilification at the moment.
The usual duplicitous language is being allowed to slide as people are openly being termed as skivers and shirkers.
No matter what their personal circumstances and the tory propaganda machine is all over it and loving it.

Divisions are being created and then deliberately widened.

The frail and disabled are being forced into work, those who should have retired are being forced to work longer.
"But there's no jobs!" I hear you cry!
So what happens when there is a glut in a market?
The price drops, in this case, the price of labour/your wage.
same stone hits bird #2

but with less money earned there will be less purchasing power!
Just as well they have a plan to come to our aid with GMO and irradiated food eh?
Even cheaper to produce with cheap labour!
You can't afford to resist it!
The stone keep skipping and hitting.
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Elderly people 'Hurry up and die' 24 Jan 2013 04:56 #14

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Not so long ago, in a country not far away ...


60000 RM
This is what this person suffering from hereditary defects costs the Community of Germans during his lifetime
Fellow Citizen, that is your money, too
Read 'New People'
The monthly magazines of the Office for Race Politics of the NSDAP

EnthanasiePropaganda


:arrowup:
I bet many then considered that unthinkable until it happened as well.
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Elderly people 'Hurry up and die' 24 Jan 2013 14:09 #15

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Whats tear ass call old he's 72
A newborn puppy has no fear of a tiger.
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Elderly people 'Hurry up and die' 24 Jan 2013 14:23 #16

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Rick wrote:
Whats tear ass call old he's 72

Good point - and he's doing nothing useful. Just ambling about, upsetting people with his crassness. Time he was doing everyone a favour, I think. Someone pass him a spade! :gn:
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Elderly people 'Hurry up and die' 24 Jan 2013 14:27 #17

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www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/oct/...on-hysteria-damaging

^The media is beginning to talk sense. The Attenborough bullshit is beginning not to work.
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