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The italian election, Beppe Grillo and the BBC establishment bias bullshit 25 Feb 2013 14:46 #1

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21573155

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21573155...cending#dna-comments

Oh dear oh dear, apparently democracy is defined by child molesting pedos now :)

10. Jopop
4 HOURS AGO
I wish the BBC could be a little more enlightened in their reporting. M5S is not a protest vote. They have an amazing program. Have you tried reading Bersani's program for Italy? It is impossible to find let alone read. I fear the BBC are lap dogs to the European power elite. This is not a balanced article. You have done no research.



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Comment number 4. Pan Albert
4 HOURS AGO
Grillo is not a clown.
He is very competent on economic matters and his M5S (Five Stars' Movement) has a very clear and concrete programme.
Apart from the call for a referendum on euro membership, the other points are both democratic and full of good sense. Just click [Unsuitable/Broken URL removed by Moderator].
That Grillo is a former comedian is immaterial. So were Reagan and Schwarzenegger.



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Comment number 21. tobus
3 HOURS AGO
"He has been denounced as a populist and a demagogue. The established politicians have attacked him as a threat to democracy."

Do you get the feeling that our political elites don't really understand what democracy means?

It's supposed to be popular you stupid f*!$@s!



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Comment number 22. PeterReidfaePeterHeidisdeidVolvoforsale
3 HOURS AGO
It must be a low news day. This is pathetic. You could at least have spiced it up with a headline such as."Traces of horse DNA found in Beppe Grillo"



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Comment number 31. Mooseld
2 HOURS AGO
When Beppe Grillo has finished his work over there, please can we have him in Germany for a bit as well?



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Comment number 37. Black_And_Proud
2 HOURS AGO
More worrying than the Grillo vote is that a substantial minority still vote for “Bunga Bunga” Berlusconi…



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Comment number 11. kane
4 HOURS AGO
So you can't stand in parliament if found guilty of manslaughter in Italy. But fraud and sex with minors is ok? I'm learning all the time.



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Comment number 32. WolfiePeters
2 HOURS AGO
"...loose with his facts..."

Gavin, do you have a good example?

400 chars isn't enough to list the whoppers from the other leaders.

Grillo produces a version of his blog in English. Google it everyone and then judge.

My opinion: he scares Italian politicos because he wants an honest system & foreign ones because he wants honest money & banking.

If that's so bad, well, what hope is there?

I love all those comments :D


If convicts can't be elected WHY THE FUCK IS BERLUSCONI RUNNING!?!?

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The italian election, Beppe Grillo and the BBC establishment bias bullshit 25 Feb 2013 14:48 #2

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www.beppegrillo.it/en/

Beppe for president lol.
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The italian election, Beppe Grillo and the BBC establishment bias bullshit 25 Feb 2013 19:31 #3

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Looks like this guys making some major gains, rumour is he's coming in around 25-33% of the vote.
In Genoa he got only 9000 votes less than the centre left candidate.

And his blogs getting hit to hell and back lol.
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The italian election, Beppe Grillo and the BBC establishment bias bullshit 25 Feb 2013 19:52 #4

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First time I've heard the name! :emb:

Possibly not my last going off the above!
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The italian election, Beppe Grillo and the BBC establishment bias bullshit 25 Feb 2013 21:48 #5

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All of a sudden its now something more like 15.9% and believe it or not Berlusconi has 28% lmfao!!!
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The italian election, Beppe Grillo and the BBC establishment bias bullshit 25 Feb 2013 22:53 #6

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And yes...he kicks right off by talking about a 'chemical coma' lol...
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The italian election, Beppe Grillo and the BBC establishment bias bullshit 25 Feb 2013 23:19 #7

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www.businessinsider.com/beppe-grillo-surge-2013-2

Chew on that banker scum!!! bwahahaha!! :D
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The italian election, Beppe Grillo and the BBC establishment bias bullshit 26 Feb 2013 09:23 #8

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Its quite tough to get any solid figures as yet.
Its now looking like Beppe got almost 25% of the vote...lol

Great stuff.
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The italian election, Beppe Grillo and the BBC establishment bias bullshit 28 Feb 2013 16:08 #9

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The italian election, Beppe Grillo and the BBC establishment bias bullshit 28 Feb 2013 16:13 #10

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Great stuff..I wish them the very best. :)
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The italian election, Beppe Grillo and the BBC establishment bias bullshit 28 Feb 2013 16:39 #11

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Great stuff..I wish them the very best. :)

Maybe it'll inspire people to try the same in their own countries.
Might be a little more difficult in places other than Italy though...
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The italian election, Beppe Grillo and the BBC establishment bias bullshit 04 Mar 2013 23:33 #12

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Anything you can add in the way of English videos explaining what Beppe is all about Mikey seeing as you're back? :)
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The italian election, Beppe Grillo and the BBC establishment bias bullshit 04 Mar 2013 23:39 #13

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Fug me translating that would be a task and a half

His basic line is a Swiss system of diret democracy using the tech we have

Everything based in local systems to build an economy from the borrom up

A cap on earnings to seperate wealth from poiltical power

and a good dose of piss taking and irrevrerancy

kinda liked it

so far
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The italian election, Beppe Grillo and the BBC establishment bias bullshit 04 Mar 2013 23:41 #14

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mikey mikey wrote:
Fug me translating that would be a task and a half

His basic line is a Swiss system of diret democracy using the tech we have

Everything based in local systems to build an economy from the borrom up

A cap on earnings to seperate wealth from poiltical power

and a good dose of piss taking and irrevrerancy

kinda liked it

so far

Direct democracy...who could possibly not want that I wonder :)
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The italian election, Beppe Grillo and the BBC establishment bias bullshit 05 Mar 2013 12:41 #15

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Italians Reject Austerity
By Stephen Lendman
3-5-13


It's high time voters somewhere did. It transfers wealth to bankers, other corporate favorites and rich elites.

It wrecks economies. It creates poverty, unemployment and human misery. It turns countries into dystopian backwaters.

Italian voters said no more. They rejected Mario Monti extremism. He represents unelected technocrat government. They did so overwhelmingly.

Over 90% spurned him. Economist Paul Krugman calls him "a proconsul imposed by Germany." Goldman Sachs installed him. He's a Trilateralist. He's a Bilderberg member in good standing. Some call him "Three-card Monti" for good reason.

He belongs to the right wing Atlantic Council. He's a member of its Business and Economics Advisors Group.

Money power drives his agenda. He prioritizes enriching bankers. Doing so force-feeds austerity.

Where things go from here remains unclear. Progressive Radio News Hour (PRNH) regular Ellen Brown discussed Beppe Grillo on air.

He's a comedian. He emerged from nowhere. His Five Star Movement won over about 25% of Italy's electorate.

It's the dominant lower house Chamber of Deputies party. It achieved 54 of 308 Senate seats. Achieving it was unprecedented.

It stands for publicly owned water, sustainable mobility, development, connectivity, and environmental protection.

Grillo's its nominal head. He has clout. His campaign struck important nerves. Traditional Italian politics is corrupt, he said. It's rotten to the core.

Italians need no convincing. Grillo's campaign stressed it. He was effective doing so. He scorned Italy's entrenched system. He called it irresponsible, incompetent, and extravagant. "They must all go," he demanded.

Brown discussed him. He rejects traditional politics. He wants QE going to people. He wants populism replacing neoliberal harshness.

He wants treaties, free trade agreements, Eurozone membership, and other major issues decided by national referenda. He deplores NATO. Let Italians decide if they want out. They get nothing by staying in.

Unilaterally default on public debt, he urges. Argentina, Iceland and other countries did it successfully. Nationalize Italy's banks. Guarantee 1,000 euros a month "citizenship" income. Reduce or eliminate poverty by doing so.

He wants Italian sovereignty restored. He wants it freed from Eurozone straightjacket rules. They impose financial tyranny. Back to the lire, he suggests. Let people decide.

Uniting 17 dissimilar countries requires surrendering monetary and fiscal control. An unelected central power has it. It force-feeds policy ruthlessly.

Debt entrapment and banker occupation follow. Troika power decides everything. The EU, ECB and IMF have final say.

Rules empower bankers. They require neoliberal harshness, robbing poor Peter to pay rich Paul, lowering living standards, sacking public workers, and selling off state assets at fire sale prices.

Italian voters spoke. They had enough. Non piu (no more), they said. They want populism for the people. Is Grillo up to the challenge?

Questions remain unanswered. He's neither right wing or left, he says. Hopefully he represents refreshing change. He welcomes people of all political persuasions. He risks ending up with more than he can handle.

He reflects public anger across Europe. Perhaps other Grillos await in the wings. A legion of them are needed. It matters if they're real.

There's no way to know. Opportunists turn up most often. True blue populists are rare. Realpolitik corrupts them. Good ones get co-opted. Grillo may be one of the crowd.

He may be more pseudo-populist than real. Perhaps he's capitalizing on public pain. His agenda may be hidden. If real, he may cave under pressure. The fullness of time will tell.

Without majority control, there's only so much he can do. At the same time, he's up against powerful entrenched interests.

Read more here
rense.com/general95/italians-reject-austerity.html

Goes on into SA policies, and a couple f good/interesting links
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The italian election, Beppe Grillo and the BBC establishment bias bullshit 05 Mar 2013 13:26 #16

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This is Beppe in 1998!!!!

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The italian election, Beppe Grillo and the BBC establishment bias bullshit 05 Mar 2013 13:41 #17

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This is Beppe in 1998!!!!

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Yep and he's even more deadly accurate now.
Even talks about chemical dumbing down of the masses etc.

You gotta laugh at how he explains gold is not a resource if you stuff it in a bank. Absolutely correct.
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The italian election, Beppe Grillo and the BBC establishment bias bullshit 05 Mar 2013 13:52 #18

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george lucas, get back to ruining star wars.
i thought for sure votes are rigged... puppets on strings and all that jazz. the chosen one gets in etc.. so do you think he even has a chance, or is he like the ron paul of italy.
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The italian election, Beppe Grillo and the BBC establishment bias bullshit 05 Mar 2013 14:06 #19

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batou wrote:
george lucas, get back to ruining star wars.
i thought for sure votes are rigged... puppets on strings and all that jazz. the chosen one gets in etc.. so do you think he even has a chance, or is he like the ron paul of italy.

Its basically like this..imagine 25% of the US voting for Bill Hicks, you now have an idea of what Beppe Grillo is :D
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