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Neoconservatives 15 Mar 2013 23:32 #21

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NeoCon
neoconservatism's defining characteristic is moral clarity, and "its recognition of the evils of moral collapse both in the domestic agenda of moral relativism and abroad"
"[N]eo-conservatism is a quintessentially Jewish project: a re-sanctification in everyday life of the core values of western civilisation, and the achievement of human potential through virtuous practice."
— British journalist Melanie Phillips.

In 1978 Maurice Cowling of the Conservative Salisbury group:
"If there is a class war - and there is - it is important that it should be handled with subtlety and skill. ... it is not freedom that Conservatives want; what they want is the sort of freedom that will maintain existing inequalities or restore lost ones".
"Neoconservatism has actually been based on the following ideological premises. First is the assumption that political democracy is the best of all possible institutions... Second is the assumption that a market economy, with almost unregulated capitalism, is the best possible economic system... While the praise of political democracy and the free market has been an essential part of American political tradition, this was not the case with imperial expansion, the major shibboleth of neoconservative faith."
—Who Should Be Blamed: Neoconservatives and Their Critics, Professor Dmitry Shlapentokh
.a liberal who has been mugged by reality."
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Irving Kristol
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Neoconservatives 15 Mar 2013 23:36 #22

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Mice, whatever could he mean?
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Neoconservatives 15 Mar 2013 23:57 #23

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Mike wrote:
Mice, whatever could he mean?

So now hes a modern neocon (ultra modern as in defined by yourself and someone you've found on youtube recently) as opposed to your own earlier definition which was 'american communist intellectual who criticizes the soviet union'.

He's not american and what he has said pretty much aligns with UKIP.
He's not said anything about pre-emptive war against terrorism and that is a fundamental part of what pretty much everyone here would agree constitutes a neocon....along with being american ofc :)

If you want to somehow now say he's some kind of modern neocon then your earlier post and everything after it in relation to WUB is complete bollox.
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Neoconservatives 16 Mar 2013 00:10 #24

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andyh wrote:

what he has said pretty much aligns with UKIP.
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Gerrish denies any political affiliations, but he has an uncanny knack of associating with the BNP and their fellow travellers.
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Neoconservatives 16 Mar 2013 00:11 #25

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Andy, he's a NeoCon you don't have to be American to be a Neocon, I made that haha.


Can you post a link to where I defined NeoCon as a "US Communist Intellectual who criticizes the soviet Union", why would I imply Gerrish who is obviously and palpably anti-socialism, anti-communism, and anti-Liberalism was "a communist from America", when he's clearly British and known to have been a cold war Sub commander?
The reality is I said I use a historical definition of NeoCon different people call different people neo-cons, Gerrish does represent a "NEW" type of Conservative, it's basic politics really, I don't see why you and wub are so butthurt about it?
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Neoconservatives 16 Mar 2013 00:12 #26

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dogsmilk wrote:
andyh wrote:

what he has said pretty much aligns with UKIP.
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Gerrish denies any political affiliations, but he has an uncanny knack of associating with the BNP and their fellow travellers.

Yep, I would say BNP 'lite' :D
Hence plumping for UKIP which I would bet he does.
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Neoconservatives 16 Mar 2013 00:16 #27

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Mike wrote:
Andy, he's a NeoCon you don't have to be American to be a Neocon, I made that haha.



LOL!

Can you post a link to where I defined NeoCon as a "US Communist Intellectual who criticizes the soviet Union", why would I imply Gerrish who is obviously and palpably anti-socialism, anti-communism, and anti-Liberalism was "a communist from America", when he's clearly British and known to have been a cold war Sub commander?
The reality is I said I use a historical definition of NeoCon different people call different people neo-cons, Gerrish does represent a "NEW" type of Conservative, it's basic politics really, I don't see why you and wub are so butthurt about it?

lol!!!
You have a short memory don't you? :)
I'm not butthurt, we're laughing at you and your wriggling. You linked to the definition of neocon on wikipedia and said you were referring to the earlier definition...et voila we have american intellectual communists who criticize the soviet union.
It was truly hilarious.
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Neoconservatives 16 Mar 2013 00:20 #28

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lol lol

you're a evolved being working towards anarchy and abolishing the state :D
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Neoconservatives 16 Mar 2013 00:21 #29

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Mike wrote:
lol lol

you're a evolved being working towards anarchy and abolishing the state :D

Absolutely yep.

sanctumzone.co.uk/forum/todays-news/9155...html?start=20#108818

I use it in a historical sense and based on the man's work and own words, he was a high Ranking Naval officer in the Cold war.
"The term "neoconservative" (sometimes shortened to "neocon") was first used to describe American communist intellectuals who criticized Soviet ideology. From the 1930s to the early 1950s, many conservatives were strong non-interventionists and the Old Right committed to the concept of anti-imperialism until the late 1960s when neoconservatives began to endorse interventionism in opposition to the USSR."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism#Fr...th_paleoconservatism

^There ya go btw.
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Neoconservatives 16 Mar 2013 00:21 #30

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"I use it in a historical sense and based on the man's work and own words, he was a high Ranking Naval officer in the Cold war."
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Mike wrote:
"I use it in a historical sense and based on the man's work and own words, he was a high Ranking Naval officer in the Cold war."

lol you're soooo 0wned :D
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Neoconservatives 16 Mar 2013 00:24 #32

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lol lol
Absolutely Yep!
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Neoconservatives 16 Mar 2013 00:25 #33

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Mike wrote:
lol lol
Absolutely Yep!

modern neocon
historical sense
modern neocon
historical sense

LMFAO!!
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Neoconservatives 16 Mar 2013 00:27 #34

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Erm...

*double bitch slap*

Let that be an end to it.

:P
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Neoconservatives 16 Mar 2013 00:29 #35

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does the distinction "modern" not pertain to a historical development of the term neo-conservative?
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Neoconservatives 16 Mar 2013 00:30 #36

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oioioi wrote:
Erm...

*double bitch slap*

Let that be an end to it.

:P
why does andyh have free reign to behave as a child perpetually littering every and any thread he chooses?
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Mike wrote:
does the distinction "modern" not pertain to a historical development of the term neo-conservative?


lolololooooooollll!!!!
Man you are too much, I can't fuggin breathe.
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Neoconservatives 16 Mar 2013 00:33 #38

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Mike wrote:
oioioi wrote:
Erm...

*double bitch slap*

Let that be an end to it.

:P
why does andyh have free reign to behave as a child perpetually littering every and any thread he chooses?

*double bitch slap*

implies 2 bitch slaps.

the other was for you.

:D
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Mike wrote:
oioioi wrote:
Erm...

*double bitch slap*

Let that be an end to it.

:P
why does andyh have free reign to behave as a child perpetually littering every and any thread he chooses?


Hehehe :D

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You're a good guy andyh.

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