Hey ,he also had bloodied red hands....

Revolutionary terror, also known as "red terror", "red terror","red terror",was often used by revolutionary governments to suppress counterrevolutionaries. The first example was the Reign of Terror during the French Revolution in 1794..Other notable examples include the Red Terror in Soviet Russia in 1918–1922, as well as simultaneous campaigns in the Hungarian Soviet Republic and in Finland. In China Red Terror in 1966 and 1967 started the Cultural revolution...

Before the advent of modern terrorism, the term "terrorism" in the English language was sometimes used interchangeable with terror. The modern definition of terrorism refers to criminal or illegal acts of violence at randomly chosen targets, in an effort to raise fear. It is practiced by extremist groups with a limited political base or parties on the weaker side in asymmetric warfare. Terror on the other hand is practiced by governments and law enforcement officials, usually within the legal framework of the state...

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Witness say he was dragged into the road after being chopped up, the arial shots show the spot with all the blood.

Space Bandit wrote:
Yeah but it's London innit. The place is swarming with pigs and so should this incident have been regardless of who they were waiting for.

But there's also shown that same spot devoid of blood earlier during the filming. In the same way that there is film showing the murderer being interviewed with clean hands, which are later shown bloody and mentioned a lot in the news footage,

The blood on hands, then the blood not on hands along with disappearing bag lady from what is supposedly the same shot, is a major screw up.

I'd go as far as saying, it's the worst fuck up I've seen like this to date.

dantesrevival wrote:
I was more inclined towards staged psyops but the more I examine the less 'real' it all seems.

Weren't this right outside a military barracks? but I thought they had guns n shit?

I thought the COBRA meeting was pretty weird. I mean what fucking use is that going to be to prevent [alleged] attacks like this?

I would be careful about jumping to conclusions because the blood on the hands could as easily be doctored by someone wishing to make it look incriminating. This has been done in the past with considerably more complicated effects. I agree it’s harder to explain the lack of blood near the body, but he could, for example, have been dragged from where he was murdered. The video points to some blood on a pavement as being ‘fake’; this is very difficult to assert confidently. I would just keep an open mind about it.

What we do know for a fact is that this incident will be ruthlessly exploited; I expect more stop and search to be floated, for example.

knobmeup wrote:
I remember myself an unfortunate guy falling in the road in Kendal high st who got his head crushed by a passing lorry.
/wince

It wasn't pretty...we're talking a river of blood flowing into the drain kind of not pretty.
3 or 4 people were puking and a load more dry heaving and barfing, people screaming, the truck driver went white and literally passed out in the road, poor guy had no chance to avoid him.
The police arrived in literally 3 or 4 minutes, ambulance not long after.

They might have moved the body perhaps, but then there's talk of them trying to disembowel the fella and stuff, makes no sense at all.
Any mention of 'allah' on any of the videos btw?

psketti wrote:
Actually it's the opposite. The raw footage shows him pretty much blood free and the shopper casually passing by, later the raw footage, when 'exclusive' to ITV, shows him bloodied and the calm shopper is disappeared. Minor point but....

Space Bandit wrote:
None whatsoever but I have useless meetings at work too

dantesrevival wrote:
So this woman definitely knelt down to 'comfort' a headless corpse then?

andyh wrote:
Nope.

The only mention of "Allah Akbar" being shouted was in a 'reportedly' manner. Not one eyewitness report mentions a bloke with a machette screaming Allah Akbar. The nearest thing is in the raw footage ITV took on, before they voiced over part of it, is the machette guy mentioning the Koran, it's the same clip where he also refers to soldiers abroad as "our troops" too though.

dantesrevival wrote:
Yea, i just seen that picture on DIF now i cant find, someone post it...

wake_up_bomb wrote:
I quite agree,especially with conspiracy theories...

andyh wrote:

Gilly wrote:
Sorry to quote myself, but I went back to check the vid again (#86) - it's in the last 30 seconds. I want others to check too, because I'm not certain it's the same post area that's being shown to display the lack of blood followed by the aeriel shot of bloodied pavement. There are the 3 bollard things in front, but one scene has greenery on it, and the other doesn't, so I don't know whether it's a different area, or just because it's taken from a different angle.

I obviously don't have first hand experience but I'm going to make an educated guess that if you try to cut someones head of whilst repeatedly knifing and slashing them, you're going to have a whole lot more blood on you than just yours hands.

It would be everywhere.

oioioi wrote:
So no mention of allah on video but there's a cobra meeting over it being terrorist related and multiple references to this word having been used in the media.