Thank you bt for the post re the blood.
So the throat was cut, the blood did its thing and then the body was moved into the road?
Like i said, i aint up on the ins and outs of the case.
I will ofc concede that the pic shows no blood around the body. I will also concede that that does indeed make it seem strange that the paramedics didn't check lr out straight away.
It would be a dereliction of duty to not check someone over if there were no obvious sign that they were dead.

There was a thread floating around at the time of the incident. Me and Gilly were talking about there being some different pics about in terms of blood on the pavement. I.e. there was one version where there was hardly any (in front of the car I believe) and another where there was quite a lot.

Sounds a bit ghoulish, but we were on a bit of a heightened bullshit alert at the time, particularly with the msm.

Ab Origine wrote:
I think it's because British msm find death blood images to be of bad taste in such attacks, thus they change the footage...

I take it you mean the drag smear on the pavement where they dragged him form in front of the car, to the road, I think some of the media had removed or changed the image focus to hide the blood.
I do think the blood had been there, but masked by media.

The question in my mind is who's blood?

The pool of blood shown on my post a few posts back had not been shown until near the end of the trial.
I think it was in response to 'where's the blood'.
Personally I didn't think there would be no blood, however much blood is not needed, if you take a peep at that rather gruesome article by Neil Sanders, it explains why much blood is not needed.
I don't think he's a bull shitter. neilsandersmindcontrol.blogspot.co.uk/2013_05_01_archive.html

So for me it's not a case of where is LR's blood, the answer is 'behind the Tigra mainly out of sight'.
For me the blood case asks, where is the blood from the eight gunshots that hit the two 'terrorists'?

If LR is dead his heart would not be pumping blood, the two 'terrorists' are alive, so now that LR's (cough) blood is seen in a pool by the Tigra, when are we going to see the blood that was caused by eight bullets to the terrorists.

I think 'LR' blood or lack of is distracting attention away from where there for sure would be lots of blood, and that is where eight bullets shot two men, and we see not one single drop of blood there do we.

dubmeup wrote:
I wonder if the paramedics weren't real paramedics and that's why they didn't follow protocol.
Otherwise it's because the police told them to stay away from the body, perhaps the body had been dead longer than we think, they would have been suspicious of that huh?
Yes I'm completely speculating now, however lack of protocol = speculation.
For armed police and paramedics this ain't really a shock, like they would be thrown off their practice.

I still find it odd that the police turn up in the manner that they did, usually they take cover behind their cars etc... they must have known about the pistol, it's still unclear if it backfired as we first heard, or now we hear it did not fire at all, and the police had shot his thumb off, it's now not a back fire/fault issue....
What I mean is that they would not have confronted the pistol man out in the open, they would have used their car as cover....
Unless of course they knew the pistol was useless or in fact they were not real police.
It's also quite bizarre that they would do first aid without wearing gloves, until we see no blood, no blood on the bodies, no blood on the clothes, no blood on the street and no blood on the police mans hands....

So Michael Abedowale has been in a 30/40 mph car crash, been involved with stabbing someone/ throat cutting, been shot a few times by armed police, yet we don't see a single spot of blood on him anywhere, I've had more blood on my person after filleting a fish for my breakfast.

The armed response team was pure theatre - and that is what got my alarm bells ringing.
Then I saw the White truck blocking the scene at the top of the road.
Followed by, apparently "casual observers" Whose body language was way out of kilter and off base for supposedly normal members of the public.
Believe me, I've seen all this before - and it was all theatre.

Yes, they were our observations at the time. Bypassers just ambling about, and the head was virtually hacked off, and some woman comes cradling him while the murderers are still at large, waving their blades about? It didn't ring true, did it.

Sorry but this is necessarily graphic.

The chap i referred to before.

As i said, he was a gonner in no time at all. By the time i had got out of the car and ran the hundred yards to him, there was a river of blood running off many feet. He had literally gushed enough to kill him, in seconds.

But...
Though when the heart went into arrest and stopped, the blood continued to drain from the severed artery.. The remaining blood was still adding to the river for a long time. Well after plod and the paramedics had arrived, secured the scene, declared him dead, taken an initial statement from me...

So with that in mind and also that it was a very similar wound to the attempted beheading of lr, i would expect to see blood around lr's final resting place. I would be interested to see un adultered photos.

Continued due to shitty fone...


If there were no blood in those photos i would be of the opinion that lr had been dead quite some time before his body was moved into the road.


But, if the perps weren't shot around the torso area and the bullet had missed arteries there may not have been a huge amount of blood loss.
If the bullet stayed in them it would make a seal. Clotting would then take hold quite quickly.

Look I know I've already made these two points but they need to be recognised, as dodgy.

Look at the block paving at the train station, it looses definition at his legs.

And the Argos van is impeding traffic at the junction. How would it even get out of that position , there is a layby/parking area up the road a short distance....

Also.
I struggle to watch videos online cos of the shitty fone but..
The paramedics.
Is there complete footage of them arriving at the scene and deploying?
If so could someone outline their movements please?

dubmeup wrote:
There are some beheadings here if you want to see them, scroll down, and not much blood.
neilsandersmindcontrol.blogspot.co.uk/2013_05_01_archive.html

Blue_Tackler wrote:
Why would they go to the bother of faking/photoshopping this picture when they could have used a real picture of LR (he must have made this journey many times)?

I can't quite see the reasoning behind all the "street-theatre" theories - why wouldn't they just have done it for real?

I've enlarged this photo, he's having his shirt cut open so there is a wound to the torso, no blood under the shirt either.

The light blue protective gloves can be seen in the bag, not worn, perhaps because there is no blood?

Hemingway wrote:
Because he had to be wearing the same clothes as the corpse.

They could have just dressed the corpse like the photo. You don't believe it was Lee Rigby then? Who was it and what has happened to Lee Rigby? What is going to happen to the two Michaels?

I just don't see why they would go to all the risk of it going wrong when they could have set a bomb anywhere, or something as simple.

Hemingway wrote
Does is matter why, unless you're privy to information nobody knows, what I'm saying here is that the facts don't add up.
Why is not my reason.

Hemingway wrote:
This is what puzzles me, actually. How often do 'terrorists' actually do this in Britain? Isn't it fair to say that what you have outlined above would have been exactly what we were all expecting?

The only conclusion I can come to is that at the time, if this was all just for show, we actually needed someone left alive, with a face and a name, stood there on telly, actually explaining their motives and drawing attention to a particular issue.

I'd leave it at that if the aftermath hadn't been quite so odd. Perhaps I've just been knocking about sites like this for too long though.

@ Hemingway I don't have the answers to your questions about the reasons.
What I'm saying is that what we are shown seems not to be consistent with reality.

@Hemingway does the block paving lose definition at his legs, not why, how, or who, but is it so?

Blue_Tackler wrote:
They add up to me, and a jury. It matters why because the facts add up less for your theory than the one that was presented to the jury. It does not add up that a security service would stage something that had a far higher probability of failure than success.