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Re: Demographic Winter video 18 Jul 2012 00:07 #21

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As I said before, you can read about the ageing of Europe here:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aging_of_Europe

And the ageing of Japan here:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aging_of_Japan

And the ageing of the United States here:

www.prb.org/Publications/PopulationBulle...ging-population.aspx

There is barely a nation anywhere in the 'developed world' that has a birthrate satisfactory to maintain its population, an average of 2.1 children per woman. The EU average is 1.6 children per woman. There are any number of articles discussing this, here is one of them:

www.forbes.com/sites/joelkotkin/2012/05/...-birth-rates-stupid/
What's Really Behind Europe's Decline? It's The Birth Rates, Stupid

You can sit here and debate the whys and wherefores all day long, but it won't make any difference to the demographic shift which is absolutely inevitable if present behaviour continues, and extensively documented.
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Re: Demographic Winter video 18 Jul 2012 00:08 #22

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The Georgian Guidestones tell us that want to reduce the population 500 M they've put it up in plain site, telling us what they are going to do.

Mission accomplished so long as they are patient by the looks.

Sure the population will peak but its all downhill from there. Historically various areas/empires etc never recovered from such low fertility rates.
I reckon all the crap in the food only helps it along.[

who says its all downhill ,
who is this great mystical fortune teller is ot same one that told you carbs are bad lol
never recovered christ half europe was killed off
with plagues nd wars its always bounced back african famines havent hurt populations either
what you using as a stndad the magna carta lol
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Re: Demographic Winter video 18 Jul 2012 00:14 #23

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mushy wrote:

who says its all downhill ,
The demographic stats that are publicly available that wub has mentioned above lol!!
who is this great mystical fortune teller is ot same one that told you carbs are bad lol
Too MANY carbs, way more than we would naturally eat if it weren't for processed foods.
Not ALL carbs are bad :facepalm:
never recovered christ half europe was killed off
with plagues nd wars its always bounced back african famines havent hurt populations either
what you using as a stndad the magna carta lol

Of course it bounced back...it had a much higher fertility rate didn't it? :p
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Re: Demographic Winter video 18 Jul 2012 00:15 #24

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As I said before, you can read about the ageing of Europe here:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aging_of_Europe

And the ageing of Japan here:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aging_of_Japan

And the ageing of the United States here:

www.prb.org/Publications/PopulationBulle...ging-population.aspx

There is barely a nation anywhere in the 'developed world' that has a birthrate satisfactory to maintain its population, an average of 2.1 children per woman. The EU average is 1.6 children per woman. There are any number of articles discussing this, here is one of them:

www.forbes.com/sites/joelkotkin/2012/05/...-birth-rates-stupid/
What's Really Behind Europe's Decline? It's The Birth Rates, Stupid

You can sit here and debate the whys and wherefores all day long, but it won't make any difference to the demographic shift which is absolutely inevitable if present behaviour continues, and extensively documented.

you can argue whys and wherefores all day but
you cant change the laws of physics cptn
lol
have a word ,
population growth rates have fluctuated foe years
theres no way of telling that recent increase wont kick off again unless your mystic meg
god almighty india has seen infant mortality rates of biical propotions in the past so has africa oh id they pick up again YES
doomsayers begone .
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Re: Demographic Winter video 18 Jul 2012 00:17 #25

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overpopulationisamyth.com/category/categories/pop101

^All you need to know complete with factual links all backed up by the very same source that the likes of Ted Turner is using and cherry picking...
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Re: Demographic Winter video 18 Jul 2012 00:22 #26

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andyh wrote:
mushy wrote:

who says its all downhill ,
The demographic stats that are publicly available that wub has mentioned above lol!!
who is this great mystical fortune teller is ot same one that told you carbs are bad lol
Too MANY carbs, way more than we would naturally eat if it weren't for processed foods.
Not ALL carbs are bad :facepalm:
never recovered christ half europe was killed off
with plagues nd wars its always bounced back african famines havent hurt populations either
what you using as a stndad the magna carta lol

Of course it bounced back...it had a much higher fertility rate didn't it? :p
you wind up merchant ,
you forgetting on the other thread it waa in fact me that pointed that out when you and your puppet wake up bomb said low ntake of carbs etc etc and some stupid fucking molecule tbat makes you fat even though you hardly eat etc

fuxk you cant get higher ground in debate
so resort to same pish i saw in the dif
grammar similar also h

fuck it play your silly games im away to sleep
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Re: Demographic Winter video 18 Jul 2012 00:26 #27

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mushy wrote:
andyh wrote:
mushy wrote:

who says its all downhill ,
The demographic stats that are publicly available that wub has mentioned above lol!!
who is this great mystical fortune teller is ot same one that told you carbs are bad lol
Too MANY carbs, way more than we would naturally eat if it weren't for processed foods.
Not ALL carbs are bad :facepalm:
never recovered christ half europe was killed off
with plagues nd wars its always bounced back african famines havent hurt populations either
what you using as a stndad the magna carta lol

Of course it bounced back...it had a much higher fertility rate didn't it? :p
you wind up merchant ,
you forgetting on the other thread it waa in fact me that pointed that out when you and your puppet wake up bomb said low ntake of carbs etc etc and some stupid fucking molecule tbat makes you fat even though you hardly eat etc

fuxk you cant get higher ground in debate
so resort to same pish i saw in the dif
grammar similar also h

fuck it play your silly games im away to sleep

LOL!! Wub is my puppet? Thanks for the compliment!
I'm not the one finding pro establishment lesbo feminist journalists to desperately try and claw ppls attention away from facts.
I'm assuming the 'grammar' seems similar because we've both had an education...
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Re: Demographic Winter video 18 Jul 2012 00:26 #28

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andyh wrote:
overpopulationisamyth.com/category/categories/pop101

^All you need to know complete with factual links all backed up by the very same source that the likes of Ted Turner is using and cherry picking...

stats are always going to.be cherry picked
some horses arses live for doing it
little napoleons i call wm know everything cut n paste merchants no substance to any debate beyound quotes and twisting what others say .
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Re: Demographic Winter video 18 Jul 2012 00:29 #29

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mushy wrote:
you forgetting on the other thread it waa in fact me that pointed that out when you and your puppet wake up bomb said low ntake of carbs etc etc and some stupid fucking molecule tbat makes you fat even though you hardly eat etc
This seems a bit personal, my friend.

I was merely pointing out that virtually every country in the developed world has a birth rate which will guarantee a greying and declining population. That is an established fact. Whether you choose to accept it or not is up to you.

If birth rates increase, which doesn't seem likely at present for economic reasons, then naturally this trend will be reversed. But you are apparently against the video in the OP, which suggests this very thing, but also apparently believe that it's going to happen anyway. You seem a bit confused.
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Re: Demographic Winter video 18 Jul 2012 00:30 #30

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mushy wrote:
andyh wrote:
overpopulationisamyth.com/category/categories/pop101

^All you need to know complete with factual links all backed up by the very same source that the likes of Ted Turner is using and cherry picking...

stats are always going to.be cherry picked
some horses arses live for doing it
little napoleons i call wm know everything cut n paste merchants no substance to any debate beyound quotes and twisting what others say .

Don't worry about it, its only the UN's own demographic projections which are in turn themselves based upon birth and death records publically available from every government on the planet.
There's news all over about population decline, its hardly a big secret. It's a good example of how well the MSM works I guess, stick Tom Cruise on the front page and the decent suff in the middle and they can't be accused of not doing their job eh?
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Re: Demographic Winter video 18 Jul 2012 00:36 #31

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andyh wrote:
mushy wrote:
andyh wrote:
mushy wrote:

who says its all downhill ,
The demographic stats that are publicly available that wub has mentioned above lol!!
who is this great mystical fortune teller is ot same one that told you carbs are bad lol
Too MANY carbs, way more than we would naturally eat if it weren't for processed foods.
Not ALL carbs are bad :facepalm:
never recovered christ half europe was killed off
with plagues nd wars its always bounced back african famines havent hurt populations either
what you using as a stndad the magna carta lol

Of course it bounced back...it had a much higher fertility rate didn't it? :p
you wind up merchant ,
you forgetting on the other thread it waa in fact me that pointed that out when you and your puppet wake up bomb said low ntake of carbs etc etc and some stupid fucking molecule tbat makes you fat even though you hardly eat etc

fuxk you cant get higher ground in debate
so resort to same pish i saw in the dif
grammar similar also h

fuck it play your silly games im away to sleep

LOL!! Wub is my puppet? Thanks for the compliment!
I'm not the one finding pro establishment lesbo feminist journalists to desperately try and claw ppls attention away from facts.
I'm assuming the 'grammar' seems similar because we've both had an education...

why does that tone sound familar ?
if in difficulties resort to insults .
expect articles in links to disected
and old crusty belief systems to be humoured
but largely ignored
(grove you listening )
in other words if you cut n paste everything you post (hmm who did that on dif )
you better have backup for those winging it on a peasants education
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Re: Demographic Winter video 18 Jul 2012 00:37 #32

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
mushy wrote:
you forgetting on the other thread it waa in fact me that pointed that out when you and your puppet wake up bomb said low ntake of carbs etc etc and some stupid fucking molecule tbat makes you fat even though you hardly eat etc
This seems a bit personal, my friend.

I was merely pointing out that virtually every country in the developed world has a birth rate which will guarantee a greying and declining population. That is an established fact. Whether you choose to accept it or not is up to you.

If birth rates increase, which doesn't seem likely at present for economic reasons, then naturally this trend will be reversed. But you are apparently against the video in the OP, which suggests this very thing, but also apparently believe that it's going to happen anyway. You seem a bit confused.
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Re: Demographic Winter video 18 Jul 2012 00:43 #33

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mushy wrote:
you forgetting on the other thread it waa in fact me that pointed that out when you and your puppet wake up bomb said low ntake of carbs etc etc and some stupid fucking molecule tbat makes you fat even though you hardly eat etc
This seems a bit personal, my friend.

I was merely pointing out that virtually every country in the developed world has a birth rate which will guarantee a greying and declining population. That is an established fact. Whether you choose to accept it or not is up to you.

If birth rates increase, which doesn't seem likely at present for economic reasons, then naturally this trend will be reversed. But you are apparently against the video in the OP, which suggests this very thing, but also apparently believe that it's going to happen anyway. You seem a bit confused.

personal , lol ,
what part the bit were i compare you to a puppet of andyh's jesus h grow a set mate i dont kbow you personally your words on a screen how in gods name could i.make a personal remark about you ,
again twisting ,
i posted a link regarding the backrounds of those responsible for vid
and gave an explanation when pushed of why i thought they had valid points regarding the intent behind vid
and you and andyh both wade in cunt n padte merchants and twisting everything then insults tnow accusations

this place differs from other forums how ? lol .
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Re: Demographic Winter video 18 Jul 2012 00:43 #34

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mushy wrote:

why does that tone sound familar ?
if in difficulties resort to insults .
expect articles in links to disected
and old crusty belief systems to be humoured
but largely ignored
(grove you listening )
in other words if you cut n paste everything you post (hmm who did that on dif )
you better have backup for those winging it on a peasants education

Its also familiar to see some resorting to moaning about cut n paste when in fact its just links ;)
Its also familiar to see someone have a good gripe and then have nothing to back it up with....not that you would want to link to Ted Turner, cough, LOL! :)
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Re: Demographic Winter video 18 Jul 2012 00:57 #35

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personal , lol ,
what part the bit were i compare you to a puppet of andyh's jesus h grow a set mate i dont kbow you personally your words on a screen how in gods name could i.make a personal remark about you ,
again twisting ,
i posted a link regarding the backrounds of those responsible for vid
and gave an explanation when pushed of why i thought they had valid points regarding the intent behind vid
and you and andyh both wade in cunt n padte merchants and twisting everything then insults tnow accusations.
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Those are the rules you signed up to, so I would advise you to stick to them. I'm not interested in some playground argument or namecalling.

My only point, as I have stated twice, is that the birth rates of Japan, Europe and North America are insufficient to maintain the population. That is a fact. There is no evidence that they're going to increase, but they will need to if we wish to avoid a greying, declining population. If you don't have anything further to say on this subject, that's fine.
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personal , lol ,
what part the bit were i compare you to a puppet of andyh's jesus h grow a set mate i dont kbow you personally your words on a screen how in gods name could i.make a personal remark about you ,
again twisting ,
i posted a link regarding the backrounds of those responsible for vid
and gave an explanation when pushed of why i thought they had valid points regarding the intent behind vid
and you and andyh both wade in cunt n padte merchants and twisting everything then insults tnow accusations.
I will remind you of the following, my friend.
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Those are the rules you signed up to, so I would advise you to stick to them. I'm not interested in some playground argument or namecalling.

My only point, as I have stated twice, is that the birth rates of Japan, Europe and North America are insufficient to maintain the population. That is a fact. There is no evidence that they're going to increase, but they will need to if we wish to avoid a greying, declining population. If you don't have anything further to say on this subject, that's fine.

maybe i shouldve quoted those rules when you
posted snide comments about ars those things that pass you , or grammatical comments etc etc ,
but then im not petty or ott i get all this shit for posting a backround report on those that made the video and i repeat being objective perhaps you think i desserve this shitstorm just for looking at the picture as a whole and with un biased eyes ,
i think your attitude has surfaced your quoting rules at me that you have flaunted many more times than i ,
and btw in reply to one of your flauntings english is my first language .
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andyh wrote:
mushy wrote:

why does that tone sound familar ?
if in difficulties resort to insults .
expect articles in links to disected
and old crusty belief systems to be humoured
but largely ignored
(grove you listening )
in other words if you cut n paste everything you post (hmm who did that on dif )
you better have backup for those winging it on a peasants education

Its also familiar to see some resorting to moaning about cut n paste when in fact its just links ;)
Its also familiar to see someone have a good gripe and then have nothing to back it up with....not that you would want to link to Ted Turner, cough, LOL! :)

links and message hand typed ,
these arent any posts these are andyh posts lol
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mushy wrote:
maybe i shouldve quoted those rules when you
posted snide comments about ars those things that pass you , or grammatical comments etc etc ,
but then im not petty or ott i get all this shit for posting a backround report on those that made the video and i repeat being objective perhaps you think i desserve this shitstorm just for looking at the picture as a whole and with un biased eyes ,
i think your attitude has surfaced your quoting rules at me that you have flaunted many more times than i ,
and btw in reply to one of your flauntings english is my first language .
Okay, I will assume you don't have anything further to say about the birth rates in Europe, Japan or North America, that's fine. You could have just said that in the first place.
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done on this thread ,
end on -
western populations are at a level previously un imaginable ,
fluctuations in population growths happen
its not a sign of anything in particular and it could be piggy backed by anyone pushing an agenda, eugenics it isnt , destructive it isnt
people choosing birth control is a right
global financial failure from reduced productivity due to decrease in workforces brought about by low birth rates compared to few years earlier is a ridiculous idea easily debunked which is what i suspect is getting up andyh and bombs noses so.much ??

man are you guys riled by the idea of someone picking holes and flaws , if u
cant stand up to scrutiny then maybe the
info is flawed .
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wake_up_bomb wrote:
mushy wrote:
maybe i shouldve quoted those rules when you
posted snide comments about ars those things that pass you , or grammatical comments etc etc ,
but then im not petty or ott i get all this shit for posting a backround report on those that made the video and i repeat being objective perhaps you think i desserve this shitstorm just for looking at the picture as a whole and with un biased eyes ,
i think your attitude has surfaced your quoting rules at me that you have flaunted many more times than i ,
and btw in reply to one of your flauntings english is my first language .
Okay, I will assume you don't have anything further to say about the birth rates in Europe, Japan or North America, that's fine. You could have just said that in the first place.

oh for the ........
i just did cant you read are you just being selective in order to dismiss what ive said ,
once again in bold .

GLOBAL POPULATION RATES FLUCTUATE .
why anyone would use that as evidence of anything is beyound me
so i checked out backround of those giys who made the video and its all there in my link
now lets just ignore each other .
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