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Re: Who Owns Your Stuff in the Cloud? 05 May 2012 13:09 #21

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They're coming at it from pretty much every degree of the circle. Nanotech, molecular biology, genetics, all of it. I watched a BBC Click clip this morning of James May being used in augmented reality at the Science Museum. At the end he says he thinks it marks the beginning of the end for us as a flesh and blood species. Ok it was a quip but many a true word......

It's not good. I don't like it at all.

It's getting to be very popular in video games too;



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Re: Who Owns Your Stuff in the Cloud? 05 May 2012 13:13 #22

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dubmeup wrote:
irrepressible wrote:

It ties in with the smart grid too. Smart grid, more like total control grid. It ties in with the RFID chip. It all connects, and you only have to scratch the surface a bit to see it.

They're coming at it from pretty much every degree of the circle. Nanotech, molecular biology, genetics, all of it. I watched a BBC Click clip this morning of James May being used in augmented reality at the Science Museum. At the end he says he thinks it marks the beginning of the end for us as a flesh and blood species. Ok it was a quip but many a true word......

Its going to happen anyway, its natural tech progression.
Whats not natural is our economic motive behind everything. We may well have used it for thousands of years but theres nothing natural about money imho.
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Re: Who Owns Your Stuff in the Cloud? 05 May 2012 13:30 #23

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would any of you guys get modded in the future?
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Re: Who Owns Your Stuff in the Cloud? 05 May 2012 13:43 #24

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batou wrote:
would any of you guys get modded in the future?

Thing is, like we got at in andy's thread, the tech certainly has some very good and benevolent applications. Me ma has an artificial hip that is basically the same principle. It has upped her quality of life greatly.

The motivation of the transhumanists is not about quality of life or easing suffering though. It's about immortality, free from inconvenient bodily ails and with designer super human abilities. Akin to Iain M Banks' 'culture'.

This will be for them that can afford it. The rest of the world will remain solely as servers of these 'people'. That's all fairly well documented. In my view, also abhorrent.

Would I get a sight implant say? I really don't think so no. An artificial knee? Perhaps. It's hard to say until you're in the situation isn't it.
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Re: Who Owns Your Stuff in the Cloud? 05 May 2012 13:48 #25

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I couldn't bare to lose either my sight, my hearing or the use of my hands... everything else I reckon I could get by pretty much if I didn't have them. But those three I'd seriously considering having something done to if the need ever arose.

What a morbid conversation :spliff:
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Re: Who Owns Your Stuff in the Cloud? 05 May 2012 14:05 #26

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lol
i was kind of thinking, its a good thing humans are so weak and puny. what if everyone had the strength of gorillas, or could run like a cheetah? imagine the havok.

imo, the smartest, quickest thinkers would be the rulers. if you could analyze and predict every possible outcome and weigh all the variables.. you'd be a god. you'd know the right things to do, the future of everything. even if your mate had dr. octopus arms and he wanted to fight, you'd know hey if i throw this rock in the air, theres a 89% chance based on his stance and body language that he'll lunge at me, not see it, and this rock will knock him out cold with no damage.
you can figure out what to do if it misses, with your super human brain.

that might just be stupid though. nobody could invent that.. i think. i dont know.
not like they would put anything in scum like me that can't afford their stupid tech. i guess ill have to be with the meat army. rise up, and take the sledge hammers to our robot overlords.
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Re: Who Owns Your Stuff in the Cloud? 05 May 2012 14:47 #27

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batou wrote:

even if your mate had dr. octopus arms and he wanted to fight, you'd know hey if i throw this rock in the air, theres a 89% chance based on his stance and body language that he'll lunge at me, not see it, and this rock will knock him out cold with no damage.

:pmsl: :D
not like they would put anything in scum like me that can't afford their stupid tech.

Stop putting yourself down like that! This instant! :spank:
i guess ill have to be with the meat army. rise up, and take the sledge hammers to our robot overlords.

See you there :spliff:
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Re: Who Owns Your Stuff in the Cloud? 05 May 2012 15:06 #28

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See you there :spliff:

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Re: Who Owns Your Stuff in the Cloud? 05 May 2012 18:40 #29

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psketti wrote:
I couldn't bare to lose either my sight, my hearing or the use of my hands... everything else I reckon I could get by pretty much if I didn't have them. But those three I'd seriously considering having something done to if the need ever arose.

What a morbid conversation :spliff:

lol yep, you can see where it leads :)

Before we know it we're machines travelling through space and time. We don't breathe air anymore, we don't have 'amrs and legs' as such.

Actually I think the progession is from bio to machine to energy.

Our brains are really just electrical signals firing between neurons...who's to say that a complex enough computer wouldn't become 'aware' or 'alive' so to speak?

What if then that computer figured out how to become a part of the energy in space itself?
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Re: Who Owns Your Stuff in the Cloud? 05 May 2012 21:33 #30

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andyh wrote:
lol yep, you can see where it leads :)

Before we know it we're machines travelling through space and time. We don't breathe air anymore, we don't have 'amrs and legs' as such.

Actually I think the progession is from bio to machine to energy.

Our brains are really just electrical signals firing between neurons...who's to say that a complex enough computer wouldn't become 'aware' or 'alive' so to speak?

What if then that computer figured out how to become a part of the energy in space itself?
They're working on it ......
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Re: Who Owns Your Stuff in the Cloud? 05 May 2012 21:37 #31

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featheredfish wrote:
Here's a wee vid which should give you a clearer idea of what it's all about Coco.



On the surface it's not a bad idea with clear advantages and cost savings.
Scratch the surface though and you can clearly see large numbers of jobs disappearing and the potential for mahoossive security breaches.

Ah yes, thank you, Feathered. I understand now. For a little while now payroll, human resource data, spreadsheets, word processing, et al have been moving in that direction, for a low monthly cost.

I just was not correlating 'cloud' (definition previously unknown to me) and remote business administration data storage/usage practice.
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Re: Who Owns Your Stuff in the Cloud? 05 May 2012 21:50 #32

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So, the super human/ape hybrid soldier fantasy of the past is not so fanciful anymore? May not actually be super human/ape hybrids, but some sort of uber soldier.

Right now, they are in the 'super human attire beta phase' which affords a soldier greater physical strength and sight and hearing, coupled with superior tech weaponry. All peripherals now but who's to say they cannot be internally equipped in the future with such equipment?
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Re: Who Owns Your Stuff in the Cloud? 10 May 2012 13:57 #33

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There are millions of kids walking around with these devices now, tablets and phones are the way to go. No more PC's and laptops -- you can't really take them with you EVERYWHERE you go at all times, can you? Geez... get with it already.... :roll:

They don't care about the X-er generation, they've done what they can with us, and some of us are playing right along just fine too, it's just that they are fully aiming at our children who know nothing but unlimited technology and microwaved foods. All of their info on a cloud? Perfect. They are so adept at all of this stuff it's mind boggling -- what, no touch screen???

Cloud sucks. It is all about control, it's all about invading privacy to the nth because they just can't seem to do enough to keep us under wraps. They've gone ballistic with the traps in the last 20 years. It's manic. [rhetoric] Why do they need to track us so completely? Every step? What are they afraid of?[/rhetoric]
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Re: Who Owns Your Stuff in the Cloud? 10 May 2012 14:50 #34

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There are millions of kids walking around with these devices now, tablets and phones are the way to go. No more PC's and laptops -- you can't really take them with you EVERYWHERE you go at all times, can you? Geez... get with it already.... :roll:

They don't care about the X-er generation, they've done what they can with us, and some of us are playing right along just fine too, it's just that they are fully aiming at our children who know nothing but unlimited technology and microwaved foods. All of their info on a cloud? Perfect. They are so adept at all of this stuff it's mind boggling -- what, no touch screen???

Cloud sucks. It is all about control, it's all about invading privacy to the nth because they just can't seem to do enough to keep us under wraps. They've gone ballistic with the traps in the last 20 years. It's manic. [rhetoric] Why do they need to track us so completely? Every step? What are they afraid of?[/rhetoric]

This makes me do this :facepalm: a LOT.

My phone is made of bakelite and still has a rotary dial...and that's the way it's staying in my house!

Some kids may eventually see it for what it is, but they'll be a rare breed. Long as there are stuffy old luddites like me around to show them an alternative, that's all I can really do. :oldfart:
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