batou wrote: you dont like roaches. i get that. i dont like scummers and brummies. by your logic i can do wtf i want to them.
all life is sacred or no life is.

well i dont think everything is equal. i have the same problem with peta for example. where does it end, every sperm is sacred song?
unless we all die humans will become cyborgs in the future, there is no doubt.
so what will happen with artificial intelligence , will that count as life?

its not possible for me to see life as sacred, because things have to die in order for me to live. if i dont consider myself the top of the chain, i would have to tip toe around and be completely passive in regards to everything. mice in the house, or hornets in the soffets. you have to get rid of them.
if you had brummies chewing your wires, you'd have to trap them, and if they wouldn't stay away you'd have to kill them. what if they got in your basement and bred, and started eating your trash and shitting everywhere? you'd be sorry.

It depends if we take life to mean only carbon based batou.
You're quite correct ofc it is human destiny to probably become electronic then perhaps even evolve beyond that into pure energy, who knows.

I can't say as I'm comfortable with it but it is an inescapable conclusion.

batou wrote: I do That's just silly. A sperm is not a species. It needs to meet an egg etc innit.I am inclined to agree that at least some humans will become cyborg. If an AI being is capable of self sustaining, replicating etc then yes it must surely be considered to be alive.The argument that you have to eat is just an old chestnut in this context. It is humanocentric (?) to think of us as being the top of the foodchain. Everything gets recycled. You and I are ultimately just food for worms and bacteria...if we're lucky. It's logical fallacy to say that this means you must be "passive" as a result but you can be. You don't in fact have to get rid of mice, or hornets. There are other choices. The key word being choices. You choose to see things that way, it is not an absolute. I have happily coexisted with mice and wasp nests for example. The onus is on us to be careful with our food and waste. Rats, I do take issue living with, thing is they will only live near a food supply so....If Brummies chewed me wires I rather think they might dispose of themselves

Well I've argued before that I don't see all life being equal, giving the example of pubic lice which imo have no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Having had no experience of them personally doesn't prevent me from wishing death to the entire species with no guilt pangs.

But I'm not comfortable with the thought of torturing even pests & parasites for fun.
Aside from that it's the horrible possibilities of what secret experimentation people are likely to indulge in that scares me to achieve both control over others and maybe ultimately achieve immortality. And both of those prospects disgust me.

Gilly wrote:
I dunno, I could prolly go for a few bankers and politicians...

Taking their fiat and power away from em would do that

andyh wrote:
Oh yeah, but bankers & politicians are far beneath other pests & parasites on the scale. You can stuff antennas up their bums & steer them over the edge of a cliff for me.

Gilly wrote:
My sources indicate that some of them actually pay big money for stuff like that.

Ab Origine wrote:
While wearing basques. But I doubt they'd be so keen if you razored their safety harnesses as they disappear over the cliff edge.

Or steer them over the horizon



Poor dubs lol...

FFS