Frog wrote:
Would just like to say for the record i concur.

Frog wrote:
I also want to clarify something here because i know its possible some might want to suggest otherwise, given what they have seen on the new site.

On the new site it is possible to configure guest posting in one category. The reason being that it is a newly introduced feature in Kunena, and the other forum is the latest version.

Whereas this one isnt...and at the time of creation of this site, guest posting was not an option for individual categories.

This can easily be backed up by a tech at kunena.org incase anyone doubts me.

And when jane asked me that question in another thread, about restricting guest posting to specific categories of our choice only, I was not aware that the latest kunena upgrade included this new feature, and this site is an older version anyway so my response to her was correct and true at the time given the information I had at hand.

novum wrote:


Well you succeeded with the humour there at least

i feel its time for a clarity post from me.

i have nothing but respect for the work put in by the three over the months. mostly, i've had a good relationship with them all. frog and me have our disagreements but even though they have been regular, he has always been 100% professional when it comes to his 'job' and has helped me and others on numerous occasions.
i do not blame the three for the nasty side that has crept in over the past few months. i'd say it was inevitable that it would as the site grew. that was the main thing i was trying to get across when i freaked out that night.
the whole place has let its guard down and many of us have made posts that arent in the spirit of sz. i for one would like to apologise to irre for my part in cunt dick gate.
i dont agree that a new forum is the answer but heh, aint upcto me what others do. i wish the tz all the best. i will be staying here, doing my best to behave respectfully and trying to do my bit to make this little experiment work. we can get it back on track. the track is only just over there.......


did i read it right that ex mods still have access to the admin forum btw?

dubmeup wrote:
No that isnt the case the way you worded it. Not still. When they were moderators yes.

What Frog is saying is that the former mods, in this case Abs feather and psketti who were made global moderator got access to the admin forum , when they were moderators.

So they saw /could see at the time anything and everything that myself , DG and Frog see.

And ofc skett went in there and made the whole place smell like snoop lions den first chance she got.

They cant see/access those sections now.

dubmeup wrote:
Cheers dub Apology accepted

novum wrote:
Nope. Don't remember that. But psketti was whom I was talking with. I'm sure she'll remember.

But I would say that I have been selfish through all this from time to time.

I can remember thanking you a lot throughout this as well.novum wrote:
That has nothing to do with me. Guilt by association is a fallacy of course

For example
diamondgeezer wrote:

mikey mikey wrote:
The chat history remembers too

Seems we are spreading muck also.

mikey mikey wrote:
I clearly said others, not mikey, in regards to that. Even though i quoted you, the entire post wasnt dedicated to yourself fyi.

Perhaps lets look at the whole quote to get some more context.

novum wrote:
I can understand why you would feel this way - however and this is imho a great demonstration as to my personal frustration... if the community is not aware of issues they cannot address them.

I too would like this place to feel inclusive however I feel that my interpretation of responsible freedom of speech perhaps may not be the same as some others.

For me responsible freedom of speech includes....

Not posting something that could get the place shut down
Not posting in a manner that I knowingly believe will cause offense to others
Recognising that the subject I may think is the most important/fascinating is not necessarily as important to others so if that thread I started on it doesn't take off derailing others threads to attempt to force folk into discussing what you think they should be is bad form
Not spamming
Not carrying arguments on around a board
Don't feed the trolls - if they are ignored then the mods have an easier time cleaning up threads and dealing with said troll

thoreau wrote:
And also if the community is made aware of issues but then deny there are issues they cannot address them.

There were some issues brought up but apparently they were non-issues to people here.

However some of the people who no longer participate that once did (and there are many) have told us otherwise.

I would say that if the community feedback is that it is a non issue then they have addressed it as a community and decided that no measures need to be taken - which ofc does not mean that everyone feels it is a non issue on an individual level. If people do not like the community consensus they may well decide here is not for them. It could give the impression that the forum is not inclusive but as wub very eloquently put elsewhere inclusivity always has some limits.

hey, i like to suggest something.. lets not live in the past if we are going to move forwards. so you guys kiss and make up.
frog and nov and dg built this fantastic place from 1s and 0s in the wake of all the shit from dif. we wouldnt be here if we didnt think it was worth it. its a nice little community. im kinda sad things worked out the way they did. jhado thinks he had problems.. well this is serious forum business pal. i didnt know so much happened to cause such a rift. but i feel forever grateful to you 3 for the time, money and skills you put in here. id still like us to be friends, even though you are not our admin wives any more, and visitation rights from mrs mcg (for dubs ofc)
andy is a good man. he will take care of us. hes a gentle lover and a good provider.
onwards and upwards.

novum wrote:
And there is no reference to you in it.
None. I was talking about people that upset psketti.
mikey mikey wrote:
And I said guilt by association.

By the way, since when has chat between me and psketti alone become spreading muck on the forum?

Stay classy

thoreau wrote:
That's what sticks in my craw over this whole 'event'.

oioioi wrote:
Well woe betide to the member who tries to get to the bottom of it.

bugger getting to th bottom of it mikey. the chaps have decided to move on, thats all.we need to know.

our efforts would better be spent scrubbing the decks, splicing the mainbrace and unfurling the mizzen rather than keelhauling the ex captain and his mates. no?

mikey mikey wrote:
Since when has our public chatroom become private? And it was not just you and psketti in there at the time.

mikey mikey wrote:
It is clear to me you are talking about us 3 admin. Perhaps a screenshot will put it into perspective better with the extra comments i didnt paste up...and accusing us of muck raking still stands...






Not to mention psketti pulled you up earlier and said she didnt want to be a part of 'slagging us off' or words to that effect, though you seemed keen.

mikey mikey wrote:
Nice try but your mask slipped a little this time, im sure others will see it too this time, not just myself.

If you are so displeased with us then why the first person to sign up on TZ?

dubmeup wrote:
I agree to a point, I also think it would be prudent of us to examine to some degree what allowed the situation to reach the point that certain members felt so alienated they had to build a new forum rather than raise their concerns first.

The last thing I want to see us some SZ -v- TZ forum war dragging out and hindering any development on either site.

novum wrote:
Because at the time, i had not fully understood that I was the "big part of the problem".

@dub

nobody is getting to the bottom of it, least of all me.

It is quite clear that DG, Novum and Frog have set me up as a scapegoat.

I suppose the narrative being pushed is that "my sneaky agenda" (DG again) is the root issue

No matter that this was all a shock to me.

problems with scapegoats is, you always need the next one

I was as surprised as anyone else by the TZ development but having taken the time to reflect, I completely understand.

I have said many times to people kicking up on forums "It's easy, if you're not content and think it could be done better, go do it and invite us along."

The guys have done both, done it and invited us.

More than that, they could have, but didn't, pull the plug on here.
Instead they are offering to assist in the transition of ownership.

Fair play. Good luck to both TZ and SZ and any other members who may decide neither format fits them neatly and go forth to set up their own group. S'all good.