RT is now the second most-watched foreign news channel in the United States.

I just started watching RT this week and it's basically the exact opposite of MSNBC & FOX.

If tptb really do control American mainstream media how am I watching this on my TV?

Youtube clips are one thing but the fact this channel is now on American television is another.

It's a niche programmer targeting a specific demographic. The people who are into David Icke, Alex Jones, Rense etc are a minority, but a significant enough one to attract the interest of some marketers. RT is simply a business that is chasing a particular audience and should be seen as nothing more and nothing less.

dreamweaver wrote:
But I don't understand why the "Elite MSM" would ever let such radical views be shown on Television?

Almost everything on RT goes against American foreign policy

RealAmerican wrote:
Well, I'm not entirely convinced that much of what you see in the "alternative" media is all that much of a threat to the elite really. I mean, what do most people DO apart from bitching to each other on forums, watch Youtube vids and maybe attend the occasional DI talk?

A lot of it seems to be "Conspiratainment" and I don't think the elite are too worried as long as this demographic can be dismissed as "cranks", mysticists, stoners etc.

Not that I have any better alternatives to offer. I just try to do my own thing to avoid being screwed by the corporations. I'm on the way to becoming mortgage-free, I grow some of my own food and aim to build my own solar panels, I'm about to go self-employed again in a line of work that is fairly recession-proof. None of this will bring down the system in itself - although we could all go a long way towards dismantling the elite's power by just not playing their game any more.

RealAmerican wrote:
TPTB do not control everything.
The whole of life on this planet revolves around stupidity, it's 99.9% stupidity with the 0.1% having to put up with it while an even smaller minority take advantage of it.
Thats it, end of conspiracy theory.

RT by the way can be full of just as much shit as Fox news.
The only way to make sense of the world is to look at it all as 'problems' which never get solved by thousands of pathetic laws and legislation. The news NEVER talks about issues that really matter, they might touch on it for a day or two here and there, sometimes it even comes out on fox news but it's never a true look at the whole. It never addresses root cause, it's just pathetic whining and begging for someone else to fix 'something' that didn't need 'fixing' in the first place.
The only 'fix' going on is a drug addiction, authoritarians and their followers have no idea of the giant monkey sat on their back.

andyh wrote:
I agree with you Andy, the rich elite don't control everything (I'm sure some would like to). I think my tip that something was off about RT (apart from what you covered above), was the whining Hilary Clinton did about it during a press conference. She claimed that America needed something similar to reach international masses. The US has such a thing, it's called Hollywood, but semantics aside, it was an indication that RT wasn't all it was cracked up to be among certain public circles. If anything, it's likely controlled opposition, some ill-fated attempt at steering a growing a population jaded by political-consumerist propaganda. It might work for a time, but I don't think it will last.

I did have a little chuckle the other day. Press TV, the English speaking Iranian channel had it's license revoked by the British some when in the last few months. But the other day I saw footage of Syria on the BBC website with the Press TV logo in the corner

If their broadcast news, doesn't need a translator or closed captioned from Russian to English,it's just like any other news to me,I would imagine a political agenda isn't important to their news commentator's ,and they would gladly take another position with more pay from a completely different news source.Making it just another news show,imo

Well it may be.

And maybe ALL news sources are lizards

And we should just subscribe to INfowars

And vote Ron Paul

Except that is BS

c.f. wikileaks

dreamweaver wrote:
Your right if the Elite really did have that much power they would silence any competition.

And it all comes back to the fact that rich people don't have time to give a shit about poor peoples problems.

They are too busy on tropical family vacations to worry about youtube conspiracies or what was said on RT news.

money is the simple answer. Most Americans still watch Fox and CNN and a few of them paying to watch something else will not make a revolution but it will sell ad space.

Wikileaks tweet:

Police have blocked off a major Harrods loading bay along the side of the embassy. Vehicles carrying tomorrow's supplies turned away.

mikey mikey wrote:
Infowars is also crap ofc
Maybe he'll do another red dawn show in dec 2012 or rapture show or something...it'll be funny as hell if nothing else :p

As a result of my current investigations I've come across a few info wars articles with great titles. Titles that proclaim things like along the lines of "Proof that Britain is funding terror". I've eagerly clicked on them hoping that the well funded and mighty AJ machine might have found the elusive bit of proof that will complete my case.

What have I found? Rhetoric, unsubstantiated claims and tbh less usable stuff than little old me has managed to amass over the course of a few nights searching the web.......

I therefore am of the opinion that infowars is indeed shite.

andyh wrote:
Imagine if Infowars was on TV and Alex Jones was in competition with MSNBC, Fox, CNN....

People would come home from work sit down on the couch turn on the TV drink a beer and get their mind blown.

Mrindigo wrote:
I do recall that a poster here who was also on DIF demonstrated that a high level employee of RT is also part of Chatham House.

A close personal friend of Hilary Clinton's is also, also part of Chatham house. Close enough to have honeymooned in the whitehouse. How many people get to do that?

Just sayin folks.

dreamweaver wrote:
perhaps that yes. also playing populism...there is a growing demand so it is supplied.

oh and my bad for a thread back from the dead... i stumbled across it by accident just now.

RT is like any other news oulet, as H says, there to make money from alltivities pos & neg, the moneies the same.

Throughout history those who write about it and share it will allow certain ellements to come into view but not be seen themselves, rather like a devious child throwing rocks at hornets nest from the safety of a distance, when his freinds come into range, out go the projectiles, in this instance mere words and scary story film clips.

The next stage will be Icke on the mainstream again.

No RT is better than FOX.

They may all be flawed and biased (this case very pro-Putin) but they are not equally flawed and biased.

Hence why reading Z-net is not the same as Daily Mirror the the Sun

I would have to agree with Mikey. RT is a propaganda station, but at least it's a propaganda station that tells the truth. Of course, if you want to know what's going on in Russia, it's not exactly the best source, to say the least. But their coverage of what is going on in the Anglo-American / EU-NATO system is pretty good for the most part. They are particularly good on economic issues as well, which is a huge black spot for Western media.

It does make it easier to put propaganda out when all you have to do is tell the truth, though. In order for Fox News and the BBC to spin things they have to tell monumental lies and make phenomenally disingenuous statements.