oioioi wrote:
Ha beat me to it, yeah I think this is along the same lines as my post.

and Justice for All wrote:
Fear.
If only it need no longer be ever present.

andyh wrote:
Odd innit when that happens. Kinda why I like MnM but in a converse manner. It killed me to agree with someone religious on spiritual matters

oioioi wrote:

The way I deal with it is this...
I don't call him religious

EDIT: Are you gonna be meeting me and him btw?

oioioi wrote:
Yes.

Sorry, I was being ironic.

I also think it has a bearing on commodification and exploitation. There's something about regarding people as your property. Which you're going to tend to do with people you already know.

There's something else about the volume of violence that happens within the home. Not just rape.

This fruit cake should have joined the military and come back a hero.

andyh wrote:
Not to his face obv.

dogsmilk wrote:
There are crimes that go beyond having something to do with money.

They'll always land in the psycho nutter bracket, we have to investigate more and learn why they are happening and then do something to fix it.

humanspirit wrote:
I'd argue that the very fact that we have a military leads us to accept a 'mite is right' ideology and contributes to the aspects of society that push people to such extreme states of mind.

oioioi wrote:
Actually I've already told him I consider him spiritual.
Shall we perhaps chat more about it in Italy?

andyh wrote:
As push comes to shove I'm becoming more and more convinced that spending my 40th with a bunch of people I've never met may be the most appropriate thing to do, I'm now waiting to see when I get the cash through from my last corporate pimping. &

oioioi wrote:
Good lad

Not met...and yet 'know' quite well

and Justice for All wrote:
Well firstly I'd argue that males are also often insecure - though it has to be said some of them pretend they aren't when they're on the street. Males are often confronted with the spectre of having to present their manliness to other men. What the fuck you lookin' at? Think you're fucking hard? Fucking come on then.
And I'd have to say with all honesty women in my life - and I've probably more female friends than male ones - may be insecure, but not insecure in feeling there is a world of evil trying to burst in. They're much more prone to feeling insecure about people around them. I know a fair few women who think nothing of staggering around in the early hours totally off their tits trying to hail a cab but have strangely dysfunction relationships whose exact dynamics I'm never really sure of and am not sure I want to be.

The 0.01% I was referring to was the sort of loon who will enter a school with a gun and shoot everyone. Not the everyday normal loon who might give his missus a slap and then have a nice chat with the newsagent as he buys the paper.

andyh wrote:
Forget the ‘fear‘, the treat is real that’s why women the world over would think twice before walking the dog on their own after a certain hour while in a certain ‘area’, and women in for example Japan, maybe the one and only place on earth that: don’t have to worry about that.

Granted. There is a reason why crime is so low in Japan - they have what it's essentially a criminal syndicate (the Yakuza) running the under belly of the social order.... but that’s a topic for another day.

Point being: living in a world without fear? Sign me up, yes please. But is this it? (as in: Eearth)

hmm?

My guess is: no.

oioioi wrote:
We?
I don't have a military,the military organisation in the uk works for a small group of mega rich megalomaniacs.

dogsmilk wrote:
That'd really be THE only way to enable an effective and responsible course of action, otherwise acquiring a gun would be pretty useless. Training should come as a mandatory aspect of gun-purchasing, at least for the first-time buyers, those not familiar with how to properly use a firearm.
dogsmilk wrote:
What can ya say? Some people are just stupid.
dogsmilk wrote:
Of course, but there are a million and one different scenarios that can and do play out in the real world everyday. I just gave an example for one such scenario.
dogsmilk wrote:
It still illustrates a valid reason why the average (AND eligible!) citizen should have the right to own firearms should they choose to do so.
dogsmilk wrote:
No, but an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
dogsmilk wrote:
You're not wrong. But there's (like novum has said) a LOT more to this than just a cut-n-dried "Guns or No Guns" kinda solution. Ultimately, in my opinion, this stems from an emotionally vacant society awash in the aftermath of spiritual disconnect.

I'm originally from Texas. I now live in the UK. Before moving here, I'd NEVER owned a firearm. Nor do I own one now. (Duh, they're illegal over here, haha.) I wouldn't own a gun of ANY kind if you paid me! Guns give me the heeby-jeebies, just holding an unloaded gun makes me queasy. (I never liked fireworks either, even as a kid. Something about loud noises for nothing, just went against my grain.) BUT, I DO wholeheartedly support a persons right to own firearms (legally, all aboveboard) if they so choose. I wish it could be any other way.

I wish there weren't the need for guns in the hands of a citizen population, but until the psychotic criminal factions running the planet have a change of heart and allow things to operate on a global-scale the way that they should, then I'm not gonna be able to see a world without guns. As long as heartless, soulless entities walking this Earth have weapons that can kill or any kind of access to said weapons, I don't think it's right or fair to take that ability away from those of whom would only use such a weapon as a means of protection against those, that would in nearly all cases, see them robbed or dead.

humanspirit wrote:
'We' all live under the threat of being killed by a hostile military.

andyh wrote:
I agree.

Although I'd suggest a proportion are indirectly to do with money - borne of the nature of our society whose nature is largely determined by money. I've known a lot of nutters in my time through work and what has always struck me is with a lot -not all but a lot - of them, once you get them in a room on their own they're really not that bad underneath it all. But they're stuck in a life that's become a habit for them. So I guess I'm arguing society makes a lot of them,. And that society is one that money plays a huge role in.

As long as we have a hierarchy you will have people looking for a shortcut to power, be that a gun or whatever, as long as society is power based and not equality based people will seek to gain an advantage by whatever means sits well with their psyche, which is also influenced by being born into a hierarchy.

and Justice for All wrote:
Did I say this is a world without fear?