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George Osborne - I'm So Angry, I'm Even Angry at Myself 07 Apr 2013 19:46 #1

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22059630
Chancellor George Osborne has said he is "in tune" with "the great majority of the country" on changes to welfare.

Mr Osborne denied being "divisive" on the issue, telling the BBC's Pienaar's Politics programme that critics of the reforms had fallen into the "lazy habit of opposition".

He also said he felt personally "angry" at the amount spent on benefits.



Don't worry, though, it's not the first act of staggering hypocrisy:

www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfina...orne-said-today.html
The Chancellor said he would target both individuals and businesses in a £10 billion crackdown on anyone who attempts to avoid paying tax.

Mr Osborne has previously said that tax evasion and very aggressive tax avoidance schemes are "morally repugnant". He went even further today by suggesting that all legal tax avoidance is "not right" while the country is recovering from the recession.

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An anti-tax dodger group called 38 Degrees has raised enough money from somewhere to run a UK national newspaper campaign accusing coalition government chancellor George Osborne, who’s supposed to be cracking down on tax-dodging companies, of being one himself.

It says he benefited from £1.6m inheritance tax savings himself by using offshore trusts. Osborne’s family own the posh wallpaper company Osborne & Little.

In the event the ad ran in the Guardian, Independent and the Indy’s bite-sized i while the Telegraph turned it down, saying it might be libellous.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2133064...nvestment-funds.html
David Cameron's family could have money tied up in offshore tax havens after it was revealed his father made a fortune through a network of offshore investment funds.

Ian Cameron, whose wealth was once estimated at £10m, ran several, perfectly legal, offshore accounts in tax havens such as Panama City and Geneva.
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I'm So Angry, I'm Even Angry at Myself 07 Apr 2013 20:04 #2

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Why are you angry with yourself WuB?
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I'm So Angry, I'm Even Angry at Myself 07 Apr 2013 20:18 #3

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Why are you angry with yourself WuB?
I was speaking from the perspective of Mr. Osborne! You know, he's angry at the amount spent on benefits, but claimed Child Benefit himself after he became the Chancellor of the Exchequer.
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I'm So Angry, I'm Even Angry at Myself 07 Apr 2013 21:53 #4

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Same as David Cameron claimed disability allowance for his eldest child, until the boy's death....

No use being angry, wub. This is how it is and stays, until we change it.

Take our monies out of banks and out of their and their banker mates' control. Paid in cash, pay our bills in cash at Post Offices. Buy nothing that stems from them or any company they are involved with. Even small protests like turning off Nigella and Camilla's son, et al, so their telly ratings collapse. (In fact, get rid of the telly and halt the BBC in its tracks. I cancelled my tv licence when the Sovile shite it the fan... best little move I made). Concerted movement to have the government (any of them) removed with votes of public no confidence. Put in place other systems and elected memberships we can trust and who answer to us immediately they do wrong.

Until we do something, we just have to accept we are swallowing the shite they dole out, like it or not.
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I'm So Angry, I'm Even Angry at Myself 07 Apr 2013 22:07 #5

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Take our monies out of banks and out of their and their banker mates' control. Paid in cash, pay our bills in cash at Post Offices. Buy nothing that stems from them or any company they are involved with. Even small protests like turning off Nigella and Camilla's son, et al, so their telly ratings collapse. (In fact, get rid of the telly and halt the BBC in its tracks. I cancelled my tv licence when the Sovile shite it the fan... best little move I made). Concerted movement to have the government (any of them) removed with votes of public no confidence. Put in place other systems and elected memberships we can trust and who answer to us immediately they do wrong.
Already do most of those, although I do have a TV as I like to have a bash on the Playstation from time to time. Naturally, I never watch any live television programmes as I'd be breaking the law...

I would like to see any form of concerted movement toward anything! I can see the sad spectre of people putting their faith in Ed Miliband on the horizon. I've found someone to support, though:

www.paparty.co.uk/
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I'm So Angry, I'm Even Angry at Myself 07 Apr 2013 22:10 #6

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btw, wub: I realise now that you didn't mean YOU were angry, but Osbourne was claiming he was angry at himself over his past actions. But that's obviously because the prevailing wind has changed and his has to cover his backside somehow. A bit of rhetoric and lying usually works, they've found out.

Vile creatures. Quick to grab it; faster to snatch it off someone else. And all of these twonks who are calling for the end of the benefit system are such fools! Somewhere up ahead is the end (as they currently know it) for themselves or their own - and there will be little in place to help them.

I suppose these "supporters" of benefit destruction think.... what? :conf: ... that less will be taken from their salaries?

Non. The money will still be garnered just as it is, and will go into the politicians' coffers, ta-very-nicely.

The great danger of the I'm Alright Jack type of society - who genuinely believe it doesn't apply to them or theirs and never will ( :roll: ) and that their dear masters will let them keep more ( :killinme: ).

It's coming to them too. sooner than they know, unless we get these greedy pigs away from the public trough.
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I'm So Angry, I'm Even Angry at Myself 07 Apr 2013 22:16 #7

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Thanks for that link, wub. I'll have a good look at that, because I'm also looking for someone to back in the wilderness and until something/some way/someone better evolves.

I remember when I was training as a Mental Health Advocate... one of the first things that became clear very early on was to never, ever go to a tribunal on a patient's behalf to argue for a treatment or medication to be stopped.... without having something of a solution to offer at the same time.

That link will do nicely for now, thank you. :D Any more potential solutions you can come up with will be gratefully received! :hypo:

Problem - Reaction - OUR OWN Solution.... to -semi-quote someone we all once knew, who was quoting verbatim someone we don't know, who was quoting someone else again!

We NEED to start coming up with the solutions to end this insanity and criminal behaviour.
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I'm So Angry, I'm Even Angry at Myself 07 Apr 2013 22:21 #8

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cantata wrote:
btw, wub: I realise now that you didn't mean YOU were angry, but Osbourne was claiming he was angry at himself over his past actions. But that's obviously because the prevailing wind has changed and his has to cover his backside somehow. A bit of rhetoric and lying usually works, they've found out.

Vile creatures. Quick to grab it; faster to snatch it off someone else. And all of these twonks who are calling for the end of the benefit system are such fools! Somewhere up ahead is the end (as they currently know it) for themselves or their own - and there will be little in place to help them.

I suppose these "supporters" of benefit destruction think.... what? :conf: ... that less will be taken from their salaries?

Non. The money will still be garnered just as it is, and will go into the politicians' coffers, ta-very-nicely.

The great danger of the I'm Alright Jack type of society - who genuinely believe it doesn't apply to them or theirs and never will ( :roll: ) and that their dear masters will let them keep more ( :killinme: ).

It's coming to them too. sooner than they know, unless we get these greedy pigs away from the public trough.
That's okay, I obviously haven't made it as clear as I should have! I'm going to change the title!

Actually, the scary thing about this is that Osborne has said that he's "in tune" with "the great majority of the country" on this issue. He's right. I was actually saying to someone a few months ago that they should just come straight out and promote the decimation of the welfare state, promote workfare. You can use the lamest rhetoric imaginable and people will support it because they've been trained to do so. You just need a few little soundbite phrases like 'family', 'hard working', 'taxpayer' and 'fair', and pretty soon the majority of people will be on your side. The Mail and the Sun (and to a lesser extent the Torygraph) have been doing their dirty work for years. People are already conditioned to see benefit claimants in the stereotypical fashion that is beneficial to the upper echelons of society, who, of course, want to see as many people on benefit as possible as it means more dependency and more power for them, even though they always claim the opposite!

I've actually been in a room with people while they're discussing this subject, and because I know them well I've been able to say: "Hold on a second. Hands up anyone that's worked for the department that administrates benefit. Right. I'm the only person here that knows anything about this whatsoever, so you can listen to me for a bit...". Bit arrogant, but there you go, that's me! But even then, even after I've pointed this out and explained the issue to them, they still want to stick to the same opinion, they congnitively resent me actually confronting them with reality. That's the level of social conditioning that you're dealing with.
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George Osborne - I'm So Angry, I'm Even Angry at Myself 07 Apr 2013 22:33 #9

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I don't think Osbourne is anywhere near in tune with the great majority of this country. The great majority of those who think of themselves as "middle class" and above perhaps. But not the majority of the masses - working classes (who have endured life on benefits at some point and probably now see their families having to do the same); the elderly; the sick; the disabled; the badly housed... there are many, many more of them - who just are never asked and cannot find a way to be heard "as one body".

Also, a lot of people who want to see benefits stopped are not thinking about "our lot", but about the immigrants flooding in from the hated countries of Romania, Estonia, Iraq and Iran, India, Pakistan, etc., and who they believe "live very well then on benefits and get all of OUR houses". A lot of the agreement in what Osbourne and his ilk are doing is plain and simple racism. Reasoning: don't give the foreigners "our money" and "our houses" = they won't come here to begin with.

For whatever reason, the minority even being asked are helping to sell their own, their younger generation's and their future sick and elderly's safety-net down the swanee.

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George Osborne - I'm So Angry, I'm Even Angry at Myself 07 Apr 2013 22:49 #10

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Fair point, Cantata, you're absolutely right. Talking about selling young people's future down the swanee makes me think of house price inflation, which I'm not going to get started on now, as I'm sure I can moan about that at length at a later date...
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George Osborne - I'm So Angry, I'm Even Angry at Myself 08 Apr 2013 00:35 #11

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The gov should set a max that can be charged by landlords.

Also the actual price of property needs to be managed in some way,its been an out of control beast for to long.

They wont though,they will just ride the train till the wheels fall off.
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