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Re: Rumours about the David Icke Forum 24 Jul 2012 21:07 #1421

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andyh wrote:
Dogsmilk....topical means applied directly to the tooth.
Systemic means ingested.

Generally speaking we drink water, we don't hold it in our gobs for hours on end.
I hope that clears it up a little, lol :)

You'll also note that it seems to be yourself who is confused let me quote the article text you used below again..

' He cites, as an example of the weak pre-​eruptive
effects of fluoride, a study of two groups of Okinawa nursing students
which showed that there was no difference in caries status between those
who had received fluoridated water only until about 5 to 8 years of age (and none
thereafter) and those who had never received fluoridated drinking water.'

So the guy from the ADA is saying both that the ADA have no interest in any health aspects of fluoride other than teeth and he is also clearly admitting that there's bugger all difference between kids that do have fluoridated water and those that don't.

The reason why some other countries without fluoridated water seem to have such good teeth is in all inevtiablility simply down to difference in diet.

So how come you posted
Flu­o­ride from top­i­cal sources such as flu­o­ri­dated drink­ing water is taken up by car­i­o­genic bac­te­ria when they pro­duce acid. Once inside the cells, flu­o­ride inter­feres with enzyme activ­ity of the bac­te­ria and the con­trol of intra­cel­lu­lar pH. This reduces bac­te­r­ial acid pro­duc­tion, which directly reduces the dis­so­lu­tion rate of tooth mineral.
only to then claim it isn't true? I would generally have agreed with your interpretation of topical, but it seems that that is not the case. It does make sense - water does not all suddenly totally leave the mouth leaving no trace behind.

And that guy is saying it has no benefit on early development - he could be right - but that is one guy and you just previously linked to something citing numerous studies that totally contradict him!

Furthermore, i kinda suspect he's being misrepresented, perhaps quote mined. The article refers to 2000. I just googled him and found an absstract from 2007 saying
Dental caries is a bacterially based disease that progresses when acid produced by bacterial action on dietary fermentable carbohydrates diffuses into the tooth and dissolves the mineral, that is, demineralization. Pathological factors including acidogenic bacteria (mutans streptococci and lactobacilli), salivary dysfunction, and dietary carbohydrates are related to caries progression. Protective factors which include salivary calcium, phosphate and proteins, salivary flow, and fluoride in saliva can balance, prevent or reverse dental caries. Fluoride works primarily via topical mechanisms which include (1) inhibition of demineralization at the crystal surfaces inside the tooth, (2) enhancement of remineralization at the crystal surfaces (the resulting remineralized layer is very resistant to acid attack), and (3) inhibition of bacterial enzymes. Fluoride in drinking water and in fluoride-containing products reduces tooth decay via these mechanisms. Low but slightly elevated levels of fluoride in saliva and plaque provided from these sources help prevent and reverse caries by inhibiting demineralization and enhancing remineralization. The level of fluoride incorporated into dental mineral by systemic ingestion is insufficient to play a significant role in caries prevention. The effect of systemically ingested fluoride on caries is minimal. Fluoride “supplements” can be best used as a topical delivery system by sucking or chewing tablets or lozenges prior to ingestion.

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.16...9.tb01989.x/abstract

So he is obviously is in favour of flouride in water as a protective mechanism and clearly also disagrees with your interpretation of "topical".

I take your point about dentists not being concerned with other health effects. That does make sense - they're dentists after all. All it means is dentists aren't going to study health issues that aren't about dentistry. Which I think is a good thing - I wouldn't want dentists preoccupying themselves with areas outside their field of expertise. It's not their job to be waxing lyrical on medical matters that aren't about dentistry. I'd feel a lot more worried if it was up to dentists to deciding how flouride effects the brain or vwhatever. Because dentists don't do brains.
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Re: Rumours about the David Icke Forum 24 Jul 2012 21:10 #1422

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Flouride makes a very effective rat poison...

Not something I want in my body really.

Now if anyone is expecting me to get embroiled in the debate, you's are barking up the wrong tree :P :D
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dogsmilk wrote:

But man - the food portions you get in the states are obscene. And you get soft drinks in like buckets. I couldn't believe the amount I saw people eating over there in those all you can eat buffet places.




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The man has a point.

God bless America.
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irrepressible wrote:
Flouride makes a very effective rat poison...

Not something I want in my body really.

i'd generally agree.

Although Warfarin is also a very effective rat poison. It also probably saved my father's life.
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Re: Rumours about the David Icke Forum 24 Jul 2012 21:19 #1425

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dogsmilk wrote:

The man has a point.

God bless America.

*absolutely refuses point blank to bite dogsmilk*

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irrepressible wrote:
Flouride makes a very effective rat poison...

Not something I want in my body really.

Now if anyone is expecting me to get embroiled in the debate, you's are barking up the wrong tree :P :D

I have a gut feeling, North West Water gives me the shits.
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Space Bandit wrote:
irrepressible wrote:
Flouride makes a very effective rat poison...

Not something I want in my body really.

Now if anyone is expecting me to get embroiled in the debate, you's are barking up the wrong tree :P :D

I have a gut feeling, North West Water gives me the shits.

I don't know if it's still the case, but the north west used to be cryptospiridium (sp?) central. So it may well do as that proper gives you the shits.
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Re: Rumours about the David Icke Forum 24 Jul 2012 21:38 #1428

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dogsmilk wrote:

So how come you posted
Flu­o­ride from top­i­cal sources such as flu­o­ri­dated drink­ing water is taken up by car­i­o­genic bac­te­ria when they pro­duce acid. Once inside the cells, flu­o­ride inter­feres with enzyme activ­ity of the bac­te­ria and the con­trol of intra­cel­lu­lar pH. This reduces bac­te­r­ial acid pro­duc­tion, which directly reduces the dis­so­lu­tion rate of tooth mineral.
only to then claim it isn't true? I would generally have agreed with your interpretation of topical, but it seems that that is not the case. It does make sense - water does not all suddenly totally leave the mouth leaving no trace behind.
It does not remain in the mouth long enough to have much of an effect, certainly nothing like as much as brushing toothpaste onto the enamel.
Hence its a waste of time.
And that guy is saying it has no benefit on early development - he could be right - but that is one guy and you just previously linked to something citing numerous studies that totally contradict him!
I'm sorry you've yet to explain what you meant there.
Furthermore, i kinda suspect he's being misrepresented, perhaps quote mined. The article refers to 2000. I just googled him and found an absstract from 2007 saying
Dental caries is a bacterially based disease that progresses when acid produced by bacterial action on dietary fermentable carbohydrates diffuses into the tooth and dissolves the mineral, that is, demineralization. Pathological factors including acidogenic bacteria (mutans streptococci and lactobacilli), salivary dysfunction, and dietary carbohydrates are related to caries progression. Protective factors which include salivary calcium, phosphate and proteins, salivary flow, and fluoride in saliva can balance, prevent or reverse dental caries. Fluoride works primarily via topical mechanisms which include (1) inhibition of demineralization at the crystal surfaces inside the tooth, (2) enhancement of remineralization at the crystal surfaces (the resulting remineralized layer is very resistant to acid attack), and (3) inhibition of bacterial enzymes. Fluoride in drinking water and in fluoride-containing products reduces tooth decay via these mechanisms. Low but slightly elevated levels of fluoride in saliva and plaque provided from these sources help prevent and reverse caries by inhibiting demineralization and enhancing remineralization. The level of fluoride incorporated into dental mineral by systemic ingestion is insufficient to play a significant role in caries prevention. The effect of systemically ingested fluoride on caries is minimal. Fluoride “supplements” can be best used as a topical delivery system by sucking or chewing tablets or lozenges prior to ingestion.

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.16...9.tb01989.x/abstract

So he is obviously is in favour of flouride in water as a protective mechanism and clearly also disagrees with your interpretation of "topical".
Should've gone specsavers dogsmilk lol.
The guy quoted has himself said that there is little gain in systemic fluoride to a bunch of other dentists in the ADA.
Of course he is pro fluoridation, what he is saying is that:
a) He knows that the topical effect is far far more important than ingesting it
and
b) He doesn't give a shit about anything but your teeth.

I am doing whats called using the words out of the mouth of the donkey to kick the donkey in the ass :p
I take your point about dentists not being concerned with other health effects. That does make sense - they're dentists after all. All it means is dentists aren't going to study health issues that aren't about dentistry. Which I think is a good thing - I wouldn't want dentists preoccupying themselves with areas outside their field of expertise. It's not their job to be waxing lyrical on medical matters that aren't about dentistry. I'd feel a lot more worried if it was up to dentists to deciding how flouride effects the brain or vwhatever. Because dentists don't do brains.

Durhhh...so you're happy for dentists to give you pearly whites and to hell with the consequences?
Christ sake, I think you swallowed far too much lol.
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Re: Rumours about the David Icke Forum 24 Jul 2012 22:08 #1429

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andyh wrote:
dogsmilk wrote:

So how come you posted
Flu­o­ride from top­i­cal sources such as flu­o­ri­dated drink­ing water is taken up by car­i­o­genic bac­te­ria when they pro­duce acid. Once inside the cells, flu­o­ride inter­feres with enzyme activ­ity of the bac­te­ria and the con­trol of intra­cel­lu­lar pH. This reduces bac­te­r­ial acid pro­duc­tion, which directly reduces the dis­so­lu­tion rate of tooth mineral.
only to then claim it isn't true? I would generally have agreed with your interpretation of topical, but it seems that that is not the case. It does make sense - water does not all suddenly totally leave the mouth leaving no trace behind.
It does not remain in the mouth long enough to have much of an effect, certainly nothing like as much as brushing toothpaste onto the enamel.
Hence its a waste of time.

And so your evidence for this is? Given you keep citing material that contradicts your claim.
And that guy is saying it has no benefit on early development - he could be right - but that is one guy and you just previously linked to something citing numerous studies that totally contradict him!
I'm sorry you've yet to explain what you meant there.[/quote]

He was quoted as specifically referring to tooth formation, not teeth generally.
Featherstone makes it clear, as he has in other publications, that fluoride
incorporated during tooth development is insufficient to play a significant
role in caries protection.
Furthermore, i kinda suspect he's being misrepresented, perhaps quote mined. The article refers to 2000. I just googled him and found an absstract from 2007 saying
Dental caries is a bacterially based disease that progresses when acid produced by bacterial action on dietary fermentable carbohydrates diffuses into the tooth and dissolves the mineral, that is, demineralization. Pathological factors including acidogenic bacteria (mutans streptococci and lactobacilli), salivary dysfunction, and dietary carbohydrates are related to caries progression. Protective factors which include salivary calcium, phosphate and proteins, salivary flow, and fluoride in saliva can balance, prevent or reverse dental caries. Fluoride works primarily via topical mechanisms which include (1) inhibition of demineralization at the crystal surfaces inside the tooth, (2) enhancement of remineralization at the crystal surfaces (the resulting remineralized layer is very resistant to acid attack), and (3) inhibition of bacterial enzymes. Fluoride in drinking water and in fluoride-containing products reduces tooth decay via these mechanisms. Low but slightly elevated levels of fluoride in saliva and plaque provided from these sources help prevent and reverse caries by inhibiting demineralization and enhancing remineralization. The level of fluoride incorporated into dental mineral by systemic ingestion is insufficient to play a significant role in caries prevention. The effect of systemically ingested fluoride on caries is minimal. Fluoride “supplements” can be best used as a topical delivery system by sucking or chewing tablets or lozenges prior to ingestion.

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.16...9.tb01989.x/abstract

So he is obviously is in favour of flouride in water as a protective mechanism and clearly also disagrees with your interpretation of "topical".

Should've gone specsavers dogsmilk lol.
The guy quoted has himself said that there is little gain in systemic fluoride to a bunch of other dentists in the ADA.
Of course he is pro fluoridation, what he is saying is that:
a) He knows that the topical effect is far far more important than ingesting it
and
b) He doesn't give a shit about anything but your teeth.

I am doing whats called using the words out of the mouth of the donkey to kick the donkey in the ass :p
.

No. He is quoted as saying
Feath­er­stone con­tin­ues to give water flu­o­ri­da­tion credit for help­ing reduce tooth decay
– not because it is ingested – but because, he states, flu­o­ri­dated water and other
fluoride-​containing bev­er­ages, foods, and oral care prod­ucts con­tribute to the daily
top­i­cal appli­ca­tion of flu­o­ride by bathing the teeth.

That's quite unequivocally saying he sees water flouridation as combating tooth decay. But as I said I am wary of the way he's being presented in what is very clearly a partisan article that seems he may be being quote mined, but I'm not sure. Like the tooth development thing is all about enamel. But what about bacteria during that stage? It simply doesn't say.
Durhhh...so you're happy for dentists to give you pearly whites and to hell with the consequences?
Christ sake, I think you swallowed far too much lol.

No, I'm saying it makes sense for dentists to confine themselves to issues concerning the field of dentistry. I would say that it is far better for any concerns about more general health risks that could be associated with flouride to be investigated by people with the relevant expertise concerning whatever that issue may be. For example there does seem to be evidence flouride can affect IQ - the issue seems to be at what level this occurs. I would not expect a dentist to be concerning themselves with investigating how flouride affects IQ. Because they are a dentist and dentists do not take responsibility for conducting research on how chemicals can affect IQ. They do dentistry. Why do you expect dentists to preoccupy themselves with health matters that aren't about dentistry?
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Re: Rumours about the David Icke Forum 24 Jul 2012 22:29 #1430

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I always look at nature with stuff like flouride (the man made aluminium, etc. by-product, not the natural stuff) and I ask this; What did people do before flouride toothpaste and water flouridation?

How long have people been around?

How long have teeth been around?

How long has flouride toothpaste been around?
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irrepressible wrote:
I always look at nature with stuff like flouride (the man made aluminium, etc. by-product, not the natural stuff) and I ask this; What did people do before flouride toothpaste and water flouridation?

How long have people been around?

How long have teeth been around?

How long has flouride toothpaste been around?

Well Andy did raise an important point about sugar. I think there's also a question of what teeth were like before mass refined sugar imports and its insertion into even savoury foodstuffs. IIRC bad teeth were originally primarily an upper class problem because only they tended to get all the sweets. And even fruit - as I understand it fruit jiuce is bad for your teeth because it changes the sugar - if you just eat the fruit as is it's ok. Before all the modern shit we eat you were probably fine chewing a twig once a day.
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Re: Rumours about the David Icke Forum 24 Jul 2012 22:41 #1432

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Yeah refined sugar, etc. is a great wrecker and rotter of teeth dogsmilk. I've never had a filling or extraction, and long may it continue. I eat quite a bit of sugary crap as well. Today I've had a Turkish Delight and two Galaxies :chuckle: I'll be brushing my teeth before bed :chuckle:
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Re: Rumours about the David Icke Forum 25 Jul 2012 00:05 #1433

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dogsmilk wrote:

So how come you posted

Flu­o­ride from top­i­cal sources such as flu­o­ri­dated drink­ing water is taken up by car­i­o­genic bac­te­ria when they pro­duce acid. Once inside the cells, flu­o­ride inter­feres with enzyme activ­ity of the bac­te­ria and the con­trol of intra­cel­lu­lar pH. This reduces bac­te­r­ial acid pro­duc­tion, which directly reduces the dis­so­lu­tion rate of tooth mineral. only to then claim it isn't true? I would generally have agreed with your interpretation of topical, but it seems that that is not the case. It does make sense - water does not all suddenly totally leave the mouth leaving no trace behind.

It does not remain in the mouth long enough to have much of an effect, certainly nothing like as much as brushing toothpaste onto the enamel.
Hence its a waste of time.

And so your evidence for this is? Given you keep citing material that contradicts your claim.


And that guy is saying it has no benefit on early development - he could be right - but that is one guy and you just previously linked to something citing numerous studies that totally contradict him!

I'm sorry you've yet to explain what you meant there.

He was quoted as specifically referring to tooth formation, not teeth generally.

Featherstone makes it clear, as he has in other publications, that fluoride
incorporated during tooth development is insufficient to play a significant
role in caries protection.


Furthermore, i kinda suspect he's being misrepresented, perhaps quote mined. The article refers to 2000. I just googled him and found an absstract from 2007 saying

Dental caries is a bacterially based disease that progresses when acid produced by bacterial action on dietary fermentable carbohydrates diffuses into the tooth and dissolves the mineral, that is, demineralization. Pathological factors including acidogenic bacteria (mutans streptococci and lactobacilli), salivary dysfunction, and dietary carbohydrates are related to caries progression. Protective factors which include salivary calcium, phosphate and proteins, salivary flow, and fluoride in saliva can balance, prevent or reverse dental caries. Fluoride works primarily via topical mechanisms which include (1) inhibition of demineralization at the crystal surfaces inside the tooth, (2) enhancement of remineralization at the crystal surfaces (the resulting remineralized layer is very resistant to acid attack), and (3) inhibition of bacterial enzymes. Fluoride in drinking water and in fluoride-containing products reduces tooth decay via these mechanisms. Low but slightly elevated levels of fluoride in saliva and plaque provided from these sources help prevent and reverse caries by inhibiting demineralization and enhancing remineralization. The level of fluoride incorporated into dental mineral by systemic ingestion is insufficient to play a significant role in caries prevention. The effect of systemically ingested fluoride on caries is minimal. Fluoride “supplements” can be best used as a topical delivery system by sucking or chewing tablets or lozenges prior to ingestion.

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.16...9.tb01989.x/abstract

So he is obviously is in favour of flouride in water as a protective mechanism and clearly also disagrees with your interpretation of "topical".

Should've gone specsavers dogsmilk lol.
The guy quoted has himself said that there is little gain in systemic fluoride to a bunch of other dentists in the ADA.
Of course he is pro fluoridation, what he is saying is that:
a) He knows that the topical effect is far far more important than ingesting it
and
b) He doesn't give a shit about anything but your teeth.

I am doing whats called using the words out of the mouth of the donkey to kick the donkey in the ass :p.

No. He is quoted as saying

Feath­er­stone con­tin­ues to give water flu­o­ri­da­tion credit for help­ing reduce tooth decay
– not because it is ingested – but because, he states, flu­o­ri­dated water and other
fluoride-​containing bev­er­ages, foods, and oral care prod­ucts con­tribute to the daily
top­i­cal appli­ca­tion of flu­o­ride by bathing the teeth.

That's quite unequivocally saying he sees water flouridation as combating tooth decay. But as I said I am wary of the way he's being presented in what is very clearly a partisan article that seems he may be being quote mined, but I'm not sure. Like the tooth development thing is all about enamel. But what about bacteria during that stage? It simply doesn't say.


Durhhh...so you're happy for dentists to give you pearly whites and to hell with the consequences?
Christ sake, I think you swallowed far too much lol.

No, I'm saying it makes sense for dentists to confine themselves to issues concerning the field of dentistry. I would say that it is far better for any concerns about more general health risks that could be associated with flouride to be investigated by people with the relevant expertise concerning whatever that issue may be. For example there does seem to be evidence flouride can affect IQ - the issue seems to be at what level this occurs. I would not expect a dentist to be concerning themselves with investigating how flouride affects IQ. Because they are a dentist and dentists do not take responsibility for conducting research on how chemicals can affect IQ. They do dentistry. Why do you expect dentists to preoccupy themselves with health matters that aren't about dentistry?

Has it ever occured to you that it might be a good idea for dentists to have at least a bit of medical knowledge about the way certain chemicals affect the body??!!
How about mercury? Do you think they perhaps that they just don't care about much outside of profit and thats why things are the way they are? There's your 'conspiracy' angle for you. No-ones that dumb that they think mercury is good for you apart from some fox news anchors with bra sizes larger than their IQ.

As for the rest of your post I'm afraid its total bollocks.
He was NOT specifically talking about JUST tooth growth in the section of text quoted!!
YOU have added the text with him stating that water fluoridation DOES have an effect from a separate link..not me!
I'm sick of repeating myself. :facepalm:
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Has it ever occured to you that it might be a good idea for dentists to have at least a bit of medical knowledge about the way certain chemicals affect the body??!!
How about mercury? Do you think they perhaps that they just don't care about much outside of profit and thats why things are the way they are? There's your 'conspiracy' angle for you. No-ones that dumb that they think mercury is good for you apart from some fox news anchors with bra sizes larger than their IQ.

of course they should - where it isrelevant. The quote you gave was -
but alas the den­tal indus­try has no respon­si­bil­i­ties in other health are­nas,

of course they don't - they're dentists. That doesn't mean they won't act on health information from other areas - if they didn't they'd be potentially liable. I find the quote curious. chiropodists have no responsibilities in health areas outside of feet - that doesn't mean they'd willingly spread a chemical on your toes if they thought it would give you cancer or something. It's just chiropodists are qualified to deal with feet and that is their responsibility. They don't take responsiblity for neurology or whatever. .Though I may have the context wrong -it's not 100% clear because I can't see the actual chunk of text you're referring to.
As for the rest of your post I'm afraid its total bollocks.
He was NOT specifically talking about JUST tooth growth in the section of text quoted!!
YOU have added the text with him stating that water fluoridation DOES have an effect from a separate link..not me!
I'm sick of repeating myself. :facepalm:

He clearly states "tooth development". I bolded it. In fact (for some weird reason the page apparently didn't load properly earlier and I didn't see it contaiins the entire article) he explitly refers to "Other studies
have illustrated the weak preeruptive effects of fluoride" in systemic ingestion - in order words consuming flouride before the teeth are exposed will not help. In the article he explicitly states
In summary, fluoride present
in the water phase at low levels
among the enamel or dentin
crystals adsorbs to these crystal
surfaces and can markedly
inhibit dissolution of tooth mineral
by acid.21,36 Fluoride that
acts in this way comes from the
plaque fluid via topical sources
such as drinking water and
fluoride products. Fluoride
incorporated during tooth
development is insufficient to
play a significant role in caries
protection. Fluoride is needed
regularly throughout life to protect
teeth against caries.

It's there in black and white in the article you posted. .

It says this in your link.
Feath­er­stone con­tin­ues to give water flu­o­ri­da­tion credit for help­ing reduce tooth decay
– not because it is ingested – but because, he states, flu­o­ri­dated water and other
fluoride-​containing bev­er­ages, foods, and oral care prod­ucts con­tribute to the daily
top­i­cal appli­ca­tion of flu­o­ride by bathing the teeth.

Though I fail to see why what he has said elsewhere is not relevant. Indeed, I would consider a later absract for one of his papers as more likely more reliable indicator of his opinion than an earlier partisan article that has a vested interest in applying its own spin.
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Novum, I dont drink our yukky water, but we have to shower in it.. plus it is full of chloride and heaps of other crap as well as fluoride.. the steam in the shower would get into u lungs, too. are we screwed or wot? :umm:

Andy already pointed some things out re skin absorption. You could get a rainwater tank if you have the means, and connect it to the shower. Or a reverse osmosis unit that feeds the tank if you run out of rainwater. I know it can be pricey. Yeah the well water around adelaide has impurities, i wouldnt drink it untreated for long periods of time.

Aside from skin absorption, i agree that the steam from warm/hot adelaide tap water is nasty, its like being in a heated swimming pool and it gives me a sore throat if i do a shower in it now, since im not used to it.

Adelaide is one of the few places that ships wont take on water, because the water is hard and nasty. And the corporation contracted by the government to run the water supply operations for a long time, was KBR , a halliburton subsidiary. Im not sure if its still the case as i havent looked into it lately, its been a few years now since i checked. I dont trust that corporations like that care at all about our health, its all about profit.
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of course they should - where it isrelevant. The quote you gave was -
but alas the den­tal indus­try has no respon­si­bil­i­ties in other health are­nas,

of course they don't - they're dentists. That doesn't mean they won't act on health information from other areas - if they didn't they'd be potentially liable. I find the quote curious. chiropodists have no responsibilities in health areas outside of feet - that doesn't mean they'd willingly spread a chemical on your toes if they thought it would give you cancer or something. It's just chiropodists are qualified to deal with feet and that is their responsibility. They don't take responsiblity for neurology or whatever. .Though I may have the context wrong -it's not 100% clear because I can't see the actual chunk of text you're referring to.

Ofc they are potentially liable but do you see any dentists getting prosecuted for using mercury fillings or peddling rat poison?
Nope.
And the reason why is obvious as stated before.
Profit.
They do NOT care, you do not need a PhD in medicine to know that mercury is toxic and sodium fluoride is toxic and that hexafluorosilicic acid is one of the most deadly and corrosive substances known to man.
20 seconds on wikipedia will tell you that.
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Anyway. here is basic science, real quick-like;

Calcium fluoride is naturally ocurring fluoride. Sodium fluoride is toxic waste, and it is the additive in water and toothpaste. Why they add it is anyone's guess. Teeth? :chuckle: Studies show that sodium fluoride affects the pineal gland in the sense that it calcifies it. No matter what you may think the pineal gland truly represents, one thing it does is releases melatonin while we sleep.

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Anyway. here is basic science, real quick-like;

Calcium fluoride is naturally ocurring fluoride. Sodium fluoride is toxic waste, and it is the additive in water and toothpaste. Why they add it is anyone's guess. Teeth? :chuckle: Studies show that sodium fluoride affects the pineal gland in the sense that it calcifies it. No matter what you may think the pineal gland truly represents, one thing it does is releases melatonin while we sleep.

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That's why I only drink Figi water... :thumbup:
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dogsmilk wrote:

But man - the food portions you get in the states are obscene. And you get soft drinks in like buckets. I couldn't believe the amount I saw people eating over there in those all you can eat buffet places.




:gleek:

Im not so proud to be American after watching that... :dunno:
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It's just so contradicting to the message David Icke puts out when people in the conspiracy world can't get along well enough to talk on forums. If people wan't to argue with each other on message boards they need to first look in the mirror. Anyone who needs to get overly emotional by some words on a forum obviously has more serious personal issues. As for Sean & I Am, they both know David Icke is coming off a nice two year long wave from the lion sleeps no more video at Brixton Academy May 2010. Nothing should ever be deleted from these forums other than graphic videos & pics. Text is just text, if we can't talk about any topic as humans then we fucking suck and I could care less in that case. For the question of having multiple David Icke threads at SZ is there really is no need for more than one in this section and one in the commnity chest. Let the people from this forum figure out a way to make this place unique on it's own. Anyway you look at it is win vs win for Icke because he get's extra publicity either way. This Sanctum Zone forum already has a nice blue appearance and can be a getaway for the people from the DIF who can only take so much dark fantasy. I wish both forums the best of luck and might need to double post this in the thread in the commnity chest section.
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