I liked it till that bloke started screeching

MrsGood wrote:
who me

ickes been won over by the cash......inevitable in most cases. information shld be free, knowledge does not have a price tag and wisdom to pass from those that come before is not for sale. selling 'secrets' is bullshit, stockpiling knowldge like its gonna do you a bit of good when the world goes to hell, like those secret society peoples, is stupid. and while icke may have started out sane, i think its all gone to his head. he works hard, yes...he does a lot of speeches all over, yeah...hes got bills to pay and a website to run, which costs money, but at this point from what ive glanced at in his books, its just repeat most of the time. i havent seen anything new come form him yet. and his website is confusing, try navigating that place without a compass or getting lost in the ads and you give up. just my 2 cents

StarsChildren wrote:
There won't be anything new coming from him now any more than Alex Jones and dozens of others...if you get my drift

In fact, the only really gfood stuff I have seen has come from the WYHBM crowd over at www.tragedyandhope.com/

And ofc recently the arrival of the zeitgeist movement which addressed something none of the usual crowd was willing to do.

The really 'new' stuff imho is simply the community opinion, particularly the intelligent stuff.

are you still into Zeigeist andy?

watch this

you sucking up andy's ass now .....

What do think about zeigeist?

do you think it is the way forward?

dawnbreak wrote:
Personally I liked Zeitgeist much better before it became a movement.

However,you have to hand it to them....at LEAST they've taken it a step further than most people. Instead of talking about it they're really trying to come up with something. Or so it seems.

The whole thing is a bit too cultish for my tastes though.

Doc

dawnbreak wrote:
I was trying to supply with what, I think, Andyh was referring to.
dawnbreak wrote:
I think some of it is very enlightening as a movie, and other stuff is very shallow. But that is for another thread.

Idawnbreak wrote:
Whose way forward?

are you american mickey? because that you tube video you linked to was american?

I think you may be british so want to make a link to a british vidoe .


Or no perhaps if you want to talk about fractional resevers actually talk about it instead of hiding behind a you tube video

dawnbreak wrote:
I come from about one hour from where you live. I am half Geordie and half Scottish.
dawnbreak wrote:
Zeitgeist? Yes. It was made by an American. His name is Peter Joseph and he is from North Carolina.

I am not aware of another Zeitgeist movie made by a British lad.
dawnbreak wrote:
I don't particularly want to talk about fractional reserves.

I had intended to supply you with what, I think, Andyh was referring to when he said "which addressed some­thing none of the usual crowd was will­ing to do."

I could, of course, be mistaken. If I am, i am sure Andyh will let us know.

For instance I know nothing about the American elections

the ony thing i've caught on the news coverage is that someone wants to kill bigbird

So if you feel strongly about something Mikey........ express it instead of hiding behind you tube video's

You two should join Black Cloud and I in the chat room.

It's a veritable wasteland in there.

Doc

dawnbreak wrote:

dawnbreak wrote:
I had only intended to sup­ply you with what, I think, Andyh was refer­ring to when he said “which addressed some­thing none of the usual crowd was will­ing to do.”
dawnbreak wrote:
When I do, I will.

dawnbreak wrote:
You've been acting real strange of late dawn.
Re: Zeitgeist , I was simply referring to the idea of a world without money. This is simply something humanity will have to address if it wishes to evolve, one way or the other.
The standard economic model is no longer 'tried and tested' it has failed. Instead what we have is an imbalance of power and half the world living on less than a dollar a day. Thats not progress and its not smart use of resources, its merely stupidity.

Just recently a young girl was shot by taliban in pakistan for having the gall to suggest that women get an education.
The vast majority of the world is asleep at the wheel and they would happily remain asleep at the wheel.

Doc is right, at least zeitgeist have tried to address it properly with some decent alternatives to the current paradigm and have tried to make some headway. Of course they are resisted by the mainstream, its to be expected.
They're even resisted by ultra conservative freaks who for some bizarre reason latch on to the 'conspiracy' scene too, I guess the nazis were into all sorts of freaky stuff so it makes perfect sense. If they're not nazis then they're die hard doomers who want to hole up in a bomb shelter with 10,000 cans of baked beans and a similar amount of shotgun shells.

The worlds problems are not what politicians address, nor are they what the MSM address, they are mainly based on a paradigm embedded within the human psyche that refuses to admit that there are really no 'problems' as such in the areas they address because they are all derived from the same underlying issue of economic paradigm.

Part of the reason why we are the way we are is because the old paradigm did indeed serve us so well for so long and its hard to get your head around the pace of change, especially in technology, transportation, communications etc.
The very way we observe and learn will have to adapt to this rapid change, our mental process just simply isn't up to the task anymore.
We can adapt though and imho eventually will, its inevitable. I just expect it to take a shitload of time and pain as yet.

andyh wrote:
Well the latter have been with us since Noah.

But the former, indeed are very much involved.

It is not suprising given the fact that conspiracy theories lend themselves to revisionism.

Revisionism is not in itself a bad thing of course, but it can allow fantasists to run away with certain ideas: one of which is that if one believes something to be so, it IS so.

mikey mikey wrote:
When that sort of thinking is coupled with hardcore authoritarian doctrine then it can be very dangerous indeed.

In its own way religion mirrors nazism in this respect (not intended to be a swipe at yourself or any other religious ppl btw, its aimed at leaders specifically because they enforce their own views (in fact its not necessarily even their own view at times, merely what they believe is most useful to manipulate the masses with) on people and as we all know, one source of information that cannot be questioned leads to mistakes)

What we really need to do is change our point of view to successfully solve various problems today.
They cannot be solved by merely addressing one country or one currency or one political party etc because the variables are now global.

andyh wrote:
I happen to agree.

Xtianity has been hijacked. Happened a long time ago, I know, but currently what passes for Xtianity is almost its complete opposite.

I expect the same happened with Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism and indeed Dawkins is doing a pretty good job fkn up atheism.

andyh wrote: