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Re: The Venus Project 31 Jul 2012 01:07 #21

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Steevo wrote:
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Well they already have carbon taxes.

I'm on about carbon CREDITS that will replace the current monetary system soon (if the PTB get their wicked way).

They already have those too, companies trade them afaik.
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Re: The Venus Project 31 Jul 2012 01:46 #22

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andyh wrote:
Steevo wrote:
andyh wrote:

Well they already have carbon taxes.

I'm on about carbon CREDITS that will replace the current monetary system soon (if the PTB get their wicked way).

They already have those too, companies trade them afaik.
Yes they do and they're already running scams on them.
Try to look surprised. :roll:
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Re: The Venus Project 31 Jul 2012 03:05 #23

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epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/31031
Give Britain a Resource-based economy

Responsible department: Her Majesty's Treasury

The continuing decay and eventual demise of the market/monetary Socio-economic system under which the world operates is a mathematical certainty. We continue to labour under this system, unnecessarily compromising the quality of life of millions of people in the UK and the causing the deaths of countless souls in the developing world. The UK government must serve the interests of the world's population by making the transition into a Resource-based economy, and apply the scientific governance method towards the long term social wellbeing of all citizens of the world. They must also urge all other nations to follow suite.
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Re: The Venus Project 31 Jul 2012 14:19 #24

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These are the stated aims and goals of TVP

www.thevenusproject.com/en/the-venus-project/aims-a-proposals

1. Realizing the declaration of the world's resources as being the common heritage of all people.
2. Transcending the artificial boundaries that currently and arbitrarily separate people.
3. Replacing money-based nationalistic economies with a resource-based world economy.
4. Assisting in stabilizing the world’s population through education and voluntary birth control.
5. Reclaiming and restoring the natural environment to the best of our ability.
6. Redesigning cities, transportation systems, agricultural industries, and industrial plants so that they are energy efficient, clean, and able to conveniently serve the needs of all people.
7. Gradually outgrowing corporate entities and governments, (local, national, or supra-national) as means of social management.
8. Sharing and applying new technologies for the benefit of all nations.
9. Developing and using clean renewable energy sources.
10. Manufacturing the highest quality products for the benefit of the world’s people.
11. Requiring environmental impact studies prior to construction of any mega projects.
12. Encouraging the widest range of creativity and incentive toward constructive endeavour.
13. Outgrowing nationalism, bigotry, and prejudice through education.
14. Eliminating elitism, technical or otherwise.
15. Arriving at methodologies by careful research rather than random opinions.
16. Enhancing communication in schools so that our language is relevant to the physical conditions of the world.
17. Providing not only the necessities of life, but also offering challenges that stimulate the mind while emphasizing individuality rather than uniformity.
18. Finally, preparing people intellectually and emotionally for the changes and challenges that lie ahead.

I do take issue with number 4. I can see a case for open, honest and frank sex education all across the World but....
I do take issue with the implication of number 5. Stopping the pollution and rape of mummy N coupled with cleaning up our shit would be sound. That particular aim sounds rather too much like the ideas involved in that map of the USA where most of it is left wild and people are herded into conurbations to me.
I have issues with number 6. As in my comments on circular cities.
I do take issue with number 15. Gut instincts are often the best way to go. Not that I am saying, no research.
I don't really get number 16.
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Re: The Venus Project 31 Jul 2012 14:44 #25

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Yep I also took issue with number 4 and gave them a hell of a bollocking for it on their own forums.
Oddly enough a large number there agreed with me that the western world is in decline, well below replacement fertility rates already and that other countries have high infant mortality rates and lower life expectancy and also make use of bugger all resources compared to westerners anyway. Even the UN says we're heading for population decline around 2040 and it becomes quite drastic.
Ted Turner has only been quoting figures up until that moment and never mentions the decline...
The likes of Turner also never mention owning thousands of acres, cattle all over the place, several limos and yachts and a private fecking jet....

I had a hard time convincing people on DIF that we're headed for population decline but lets face it, the UK is overpopulated when you look at the small land area thats actually used for housing and how many people are crammed in there.

I too take issue with the dome city idea although I'll let Fresco go on that as he said he's not fussed if other designs are used, he also said he expected other designs anyway as what he envisaged might not be suitable in other areas.

Overpopulation is a joke though, a complete myth.
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Re: The Venus Project 31 Jul 2012 16:05 #26

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The irony of digital currency is that 'real' currency would be the obvious way to subvert it. :hedbut:
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Re: The Venus Project 31 Jul 2012 17:30 #27

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oioioi wrote:
The irony of digital currency is that 'real' currency would be the obvious way to subvert it. :hedbut:

Indeed.
A culture of back scratching would surely emerge. It's the only way people are gonna be able to get away from having everything taxed & scrutinised.
Set the controls for the heart of the earth.
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Re: The Venus Project 31 Jul 2012 18:22 #28

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A steroided up to fuck black market :thumbup:
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Re: The Venus Project 21 Apr 2013 10:32 #29

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very interesting video about the VP and ZM split>
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