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New law 'shuts door' on squatters 31 Aug 2012 11:42 #1

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Squatters will face up to six months in prison and so-called squatters' rights scrapped as it becomes a criminal offence in England and Wales.

Ministers said the move would shut the door on squatters once and for all and help protect hard-working homeowners.

But campaigners warned that criminalising squatting in residential buildings would lead to an increase in some of the most vulnerable homeless people sleeping rough.

The introduction of the offence - which will carry a maximum sentence of up to six months in jail for persistent offenders, a £5,000 fine or both - follows a Government consultation on the issue last summer.

But homeless charity Crisis said the new law would criminalise vulnerable people, leaving them in prison or facing a fine they cannot pay.

"It also misses the point," Leslie Morphy, the charity's chief executive, said. "There was already legal provision that police and councils could, and should, have used to remove individuals in the rare instances of squatting in someone's home.

"And the new law also applies to empty homes - of which there are 720,000 in England alone, including many that are dilapidated and abandoned - criminalising homeless people when they are just trying to find a place off the streets. Ultimately the Government needs to tackle why homeless people squat in the first place by helping not punishing them."

But justice minister Crispin Blunt said: "For too long, squatters have had the justice system on the run and have caused homeowners untold misery in eviction, repair and clean-up costs. Not any more. Hard-working homeowners need and deserve a justice system where their rights come first - this new offence will ensure the police and other agencies can take quick and decisive action to deal with the misery of squatting."

Housing minister Grant Shapps added: "No longer will there be so-called 'squatters' rights'. We're tipping the scales of justice back in favour of the homeowner and making the law crystal clear: entering a property with the intention of squatting will be a criminal offence.

"And by making this change, we can slam shut the door on squatters once and for all."

Do you know any homeless people that have £5000.00? Me neither. It would also be interesting to know exactly when an ex-tenant 'becomes' a squatter through eviction, just how this new law will kick in.

So, we've done the elderly, disabled and the unemployed. Now we've sorted the homeless. Let's see, who else is at the bottom of the barrel that we can we have a right good go at? Good job, government wank-jobs. :thumbup:
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Re: New law 'shuts door' on squatters 31 Aug 2012 12:15 #2

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It's outrageous to penalise homeless people, but I have to say that 90% of the squatters I've met/known weren't in a position where they actually needed to squat, and they just did it for the crack. Actually, a lot of them were taking crack, but that's another story.
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Re: New law 'shuts door' on squatters 31 Aug 2012 12:51 #3

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I read years ago that there were loads of repossessed properties standing empty in the States, while the people chucked out of them were getting hassled & moved on for living in tents. :(
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Re: New law 'shuts door' on squatters 31 Aug 2012 13:20 #4

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Depends on the situation I guess.
If the property is left unused for years and no-ones gives a damn then there's no problem.
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Re: New law 'shuts door' on squatters 31 Aug 2012 13:23 #5

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andyh wrote:
Depends on the situation I guess.
If the property is left unused for years and no-ones gives a damn then there's no problem.

I agree fully with this and if I ever find myself homeless this is exactly what I will do.
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Re: New law 'shuts door' on squatters 31 Aug 2012 13:49 #6

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It's hobophobia.
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Re: New law 'shuts door' on squatters 31 Aug 2012 15:12 #7

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I fucking hate this government. :mad:
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Re: New law 'shuts door' on squatters 31 Aug 2012 16:32 #8

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Does this mean we can legally boot out the cunting monarchy>?
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Re: New law 'shuts door' on squatters 31 Aug 2012 16:34 #9

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Guevarista wrote:
Does this mean we can legally boot out the cunting monarchy>?

The irony of that is that we always have been able to, as far as I know. Just never have. :think:
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Re: New law 'shuts door' on squatters 31 Aug 2012 16:53 #10

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Guevarista wrote:
Does this mean we can legally boot out the cunting monarchy>?

The irony of that is that we always have been able to, as far as I know. Just never have. :think:

We'll do it together abs. Me and you, when I see you at christmas.

Those American Tan's will come in useful for something :coffee:
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Re: New law 'shuts door' on squatters 31 Aug 2012 16:55 #11

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I'm sure you could garner support among the hoardes of squatters about to be affected by this law.
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Re: New law 'shuts door' on squatters 31 Aug 2012 18:25 #12

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I'm not really sure whether I find this ruling good or bad.

It is good in respect of a landlord having problems evicting tennants who over-stay their welcome or to private property owners who need their properties back promptly for whatever reasoning.

If it is a disused building and a homeless person takes root because the property is not being used in the short term or long term future then I think it is unfair just to move them on, the law is in place to cover for this should such a situation arise.

However, if there is vandalism involved then, kick them out, without a doubt.
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Re: New law 'shuts door' on squatters 31 Aug 2012 18:58 #13

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OMG they're moving in next door...

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Re: New law 'shuts door' on squatters 31 Aug 2012 21:37 #14

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What a complete and utter bag of old toss. It's like the red herrings have taken over. Today whilst driving and listening to the news, when I got home and checked the headlines and just now when listening to "Any Questions" on radio 4, I've heard the same mantra.
Over and over again, the line has been thrown out that squatters need to be stopped because they are taking for free what people have worked so hard to earn. That you can go on holiday or start refurbishing your home and then find squatters have moved in.

Whilst I wouldn't suggest that this NEVER happens, I will state with confidence that this is a tiny tiny minority of cases. I've 'broken' squats myself, have met many many squatters and moved in squatter 'circles'. Never ever have I met anyone that has done anything remotely resembling what I've heard all day today.........

I've mentioned one of my squatting experiences on here before. I ended up in a town when I was busking and learnt of an old C of E primary school that had been closed and lay empty. The school was built around an existing church with a vaulted roof made by a renowned carpenter. The buildings had been entrusted to the C of E on the proviso that they were used for educating the community. The church wanted to sell the land to Tesco, to be used as a car park for a new store.

So I and a few others took the buildings as a squat. We aimed to restore them and use them as a community centre where various workshops would be run to help members of the community learn new skills. The Police were quickly on side. Local businesses donated materials. We had a local councillor back us. Once the terms of the trust had been pointed out to the C of E, they too came on side. They stated in writing that if we got charity status they'd transfer the trust over to the charity. The local councillor began that process for us.............

Sadly at that crucial stage, many of the original people involved decided they had better things to do and those of us that were left to keep the project going weren't able to prevent a seedier element taking over. The project failed at the very point of it's near success :(

So, if I were to attempt this tomorrow I'd likely go to jail for it. I'd be a criminal....

There is something totally unrelated behind this new bit of "bad law". It has nothing to do with the handful of tossers that take over people's private houses when the owners' backs are turned. I've not got to the bottom of it yet but I suspect it involves the tagged on stuff about factories and warehouses...
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Re: New law 'shuts door' on squatters 31 Aug 2012 21:41 #15

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Actually dubs, and I'm in no way defending it, my understanding is the law covers residential buildings only.
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Re: New law 'shuts door' on squatters 31 Aug 2012 21:49 #16

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oioioi wrote:
Actually dubs, and I'm in no way defending it, my understanding is the law covers residential buildings only.
I thought that earlier but Ms dub has shown me references in the MSM to factories and warehouses being included.

EDIT: Like this in The Sun:
www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/polit...-tough-new-laws.html

I haven't had time to look into it yet to see what the 'truth' of it is, I'm fresh off the beach :)
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Re: New law 'shuts door' on squatters 31 Aug 2012 22:24 #17

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andyh wrote:
Depends on the situation I guess.
If the property is left unused for years and no-ones gives a damn then there's no problem.

That's true and there's a lot of places about that could be easily liveable for people who need it.
Tbf though as the system is (as happened to my mate) if squatters appear and claim the squatting act, my mate had to pay the mortgage for 6 months before he could get rid of them.
So the way I see it is that if there are redundant properties then as you say... it matters not..but you can't just start turning up and living in other people's gaffs while they pay!
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Re: New law 'shuts door' on squatters 31 Aug 2012 23:12 #18

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That wasnt really the case Space Bandit. The law before this new one was passed allowed for a fast track eviction of squatters if they were squatting an already lived in or needed home. With it they could evict squatters in 24 hours for a number of reasons. More than adequate legislation I think, without the need for this new law.
As an ex-squatter myself I am disgusted by this law and by the blatant lies that are being told to support it. In none of the squats I have attended has anyone ever destroyed the building or made it unlivable, quite the opposite in fact. Many squatted houses are run down and useless until taken over as a squat where it is then renovated and decorated at no cost to the buildings owner by the squatters who are afterall same as all of us only wanting to have a nice place to rest their head at the end of the day. I have seen abandoned warehouses transformed into community centres, empty schools re-opened and classes taught in them again for free. Many of the great protest movements we know of in the UK started in squats
What do the government think is going to happen? With all the squatters now homeless do they think they will all just disappear in a puff of smoke? Or overnight turn into young conservatives and applaud the Tories for making them finally "get off their arse"?
Nah they will just be stuck with a couple hundred thousand more homeless on the streets dirtying their neighbourhoods ^^
No doubt a final solution of the squatter problem will be along shortly.

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Re: New law 'shuts door' on squatters 01 Sep 2012 01:47 #19

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Space Bandit wrote:
andyh wrote:
Depends on the situation I guess.
If the property is left unused for years and no-ones gives a damn then there's no problem.

That's true and there's a lot of places about that could be easily liveable for people who need it.
Tbf though as the system is (as happened to my mate) if squatters appear and claim the squatting act, my mate had to pay the mortgage for 6 months before he could get rid of them.
So the way I see it is that if there are redundant properties then as you say... it matters not..but you can't just start turning up and living in other people's gaffs while they pay!

I said years, not days.
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Re: New law 'shuts door' on squatters 01 Sep 2012 10:34 #20

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A very good poster elsewhere called Gringo wrote this
Rich people want to be loved. Which is unfortunate because most of them are scummy freaks a dog wouldn't piss on. You see all this talk about cutting benefits and people not working enough, it's just Grinching. The ultra rich are annoyed that other people are still enjoying themselves without having wealth. Like anybody else the ultra rich will have their ups and downs, just because you're a billionaire you're not going to be permanently blissed-out, they'll have sad times, lonely times. And of course you would never get to be as rich as these folks without being covetous, envious and greedy. So they'll sometimes see the grass is greener and in their weaker moments they see the fun that proles so often have, and they want to possess it, or if not possess it destroy it.

A poor person having fun is like kryptonite to the rich. They hate it. This column comes across like Scrooge peering into the window of the happy scene in Bob's house.

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