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Bitcoin loses more than 50% today 10 Apr 2013 23:40 #1

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I don't understand this bitcoin thing to be honest, but I know a few of you on here do...
BitCrash Continues: Down 40% And Dumping
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 04/10/2013 14:28 -0400


Central BanksCircuit BreakersNew York Stock Exchangerecovery


Time to rename it BitCrash... or will it stage an amazing recovery? Alas, for this particular bubble, there are no NYSE circuit breakers nor is there a Federal Reserve-mandated "plunge protection team." And why should there be? The central banks hate all currency alternatives. Firehats: on, especially since the volume is still relatively lite.

www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-10/bitcra...-down-40-and-dumping
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Bitcoin loses more than 50% today 11 Apr 2013 00:07 #2

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I wouldn't say I understand it, but the idea behind it is quite a noble one. Based on what I know about it, it does seem open to manipulation. And I can't really understand why your Bitcoin account can't be frozen and pilfered if it can happen to your bank account, which we all know that it can.
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Bitcoin loses more than 50% today 11 Apr 2013 01:08 #3

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Am i wrong to assume that paypal has grown to strong?
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Bitcoin loses more than 50% today 11 Apr 2013 09:55 #4

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Its because of the amount of stealing going on in combination with the butterfly mining hardware release.
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Bitcoin loses more than 50% today 11 Apr 2013 10:45 #5

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andyh wrote:
Its because of the amount of stealing going on in combination with the butterfly mining hardware release.

Would I understand that better on google translate? :D
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Bitcoin loses more than 50% today 11 Apr 2013 10:54 #6

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angelchemuel wrote:
andyh wrote:
Its because of the amount of stealing going on in combination with the butterfly mining hardware release.

Would I understand that better on google translate? :D

www.butterflylabs.com/
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Bitcoin loses more than 50% today 11 Apr 2013 12:00 #7

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Ahhh...thank you...clear as mud now! :D (joking)
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Bitcoin loses more than 50% today 11 Apr 2013 12:18 #8

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Ahhh...thank you...clear as mud now! :D (joking)
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They're selling specialised bits of kit that will mine bitcoins way way faster than possible on present PC hardware and standard graphics cards.
They're custom made to do nothing but mine bitcoins.
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Bitcoin loses more than 50% today 11 Apr 2013 12:52 #9

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Bitcoin's stunning rise in value in the past month was largely viewed as an unnatural market bubble that would inevitably burst. This is why most observers of yesterday's bitcoin flash crash were not surprised. If market manipulators were trying to discredit crypto currencies and cause panic among true bitcoin believers, they failed.

Yesterday, bitcoin went from a high of $266 down to a low of $105 before stabilizing at $172 in a single day. Certainly these wild fluctuations will result in some lost confidence in bitcoin which is probably the goal of the obvious market manipulation occurring. So, what happened and who's responsible for it?

Bitcoins anonymity is a double-edged sword in attempting to determine exactly who is responsible for these shenanigans, but some interesting theories are developing.

The Guardian speculates that the flash crash was initiated by someone with significant bitcoin holdings flooding them out for free. According to Business Insider, a Reddit user named "bitcoinbillionaire" gave away nearly $14,000 worth of bitcoins forcing a test of its value.
Mike Adams of Natural News, who predicted a bitcoin crash hours before it occurred, referred to it as a "calculated stress test":

The "bitcoin giveaway" that crashed the market today was a calculated stress test to determine the "buoyancy" of the bitcoin market. By injecting a predetermined amount of supply into the market and watching the price reaction, it can easily be calculated how many bitcoins will be required to crash the entire market down to a desired price level, causing a runaway panic.
Adams postulates that the price manipulation from its recent spectacular rise to yesterday's cliff dive was an orchestrated plot by central bankers to discredit the entire concept of decentralized currencies and, eventually, central bankers will deliver a devastating blow.

It makes sense that bankers would feel threatened by decentralized digital currencies no matter how small of a market share it has in terms of being a competitive currency. And with their bottomless resources, there's little to stop them from wreaking havoc on bitcoin exchanges.

Or it can simply be wealthy Wall Street gamblers looking to make a profit on an easy market to manipulate. Yet if it is just speculators who are responsible, what do they have to gain by destroying confidence in the exchange?

Again, because of the anonymity in the system, we may never really know who's responsible for these games. We can only look at the winners and losers when they dust settles and point fingers at shadows.

But the more important question that we should be asking is what is the true value of bitcoins?

Real proponents of bitcoin don't view it solely as an investment like many of the Johnny-come-latelies do. They value it for what it is, an anonymous currency that cannot be controlled by a central entity and can be used to avoid taxes, capital controls, and high transfer and bank fees. In that respect, it will always have value.

Yes, large holders of bitcoins have proven they can mess with its value relative to dollars or euros, but they will never be able to control the intended peer-to-peer use of bitcoins.

The true value of bitcoins will only surface when people stop comparing them to establishment currencies and start measuring them against real goods and services. In other words, when the bitcoin economy is big enough that vendors don't need to cash them out for dollars to pay for other necessities, then we will begin to see the real value.

For instance, when I can sell my widgets for bitcoins and use those coins to pay for widget components and my supplier can then use bitcoins to pay his rent or employees, their value in dollars becomes irrelevant.

Although it may seem far fetched now, that day is rapidly approaching when this will be feasible. Remember, bitcoin is less than four years old and there is already an amazing variety of things you can purchase with bitcoins.

The question is whether those who oppose bitcoin will be able to damage it's credibility enough that it never reaches this point? Or will the failure of establishment currencies and more draconian capital control laws offset any efforts to discredit bitcoin?

www.activistpost.com/2013/04/whos-to-bla...ins-flash-crash.html
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Bitcoin loses more than 50% today 11 Apr 2013 20:18 #10

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digital currency would be redundant if we produced what we actually need.
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Bitcoin loses more than 50% today 12 Apr 2013 10:03 #11

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Mike wrote:
digital currency would be redundant if we produced what we actually need.

We already do produce plenty, it doesn't get handed out mind....
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Bitcoin loses more than 50% today 12 Apr 2013 11:36 #12

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There is always a loser with get rich quick schemes.

So some people go mining for blocks of bitcoin's and for every block mined they get around 25 bitcoin's for their effort.

Is the mining needed for the currency to work,ie is it part of the complicated maths solution that is talked about.

It sounds like miners are keeping a record of each time a bitcoin transaction is taking place and performing some process.

I read something on the internet where cigarettes were used as currency and the currency cigarettes were a lot thinner than smoking cigarettes,and kept getting thinner.

Is that like scalping 25 bitcoin's each time?
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Bitcoin loses more than 50% today 12 Apr 2013 11:42 #13

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humanspirit wrote:
There is always a loser with get rich quick schemes.

So some people go mining for blocks of bitcoin's and for every block mined they get around 25 bitcoin's for their effort.

Is the mining needed for the currency to work,ie is it part of the complicated maths solution that is talked about.

It sounds like miners are keeping a record of each time a bitcoin transaction is taking place and performing some process.

I read something on the internet where cigarettes were used as currency and the currency cigarettes were a lot thinner than smoking cigarettes,and kept getting thinner.

Is that like scalping 25 bitcoin's each time?

You're a bit confused there.
The 25 bitcoins at a time thing is 25 coins shared between a pool and the machine that does the most work gets the larger proportional share of the 25 coin payout. (you don't get 25 bitcoins each lol)

You can also just mine for coins on your own without the pool. Some people just prefer to join together in a pool is all in the hope that they will get coins faster.
With the butterfly hardware you would prolly just want to mine individually.

The amount of bitcoins has a physical limit (just as the phsyical amount of gold is limited), its purchasing power value however can be variable.
IIRC its around 170 dollars per bitcoin at the moment. People can also ofc trade fractions of a bitcoin just as we do with money eg cents as parts of dollars.
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Bitcoin loses more than 50% today 12 Apr 2013 12:05 #14

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andyh wrote:
humanspirit wrote:
There is always a loser with get rich quick schemes.

So some people go mining for blocks of bitcoin's and for every block mined they get around 25 bitcoin's for their effort.

Is the mining needed for the currency to work,ie is it part of the complicated maths solution that is talked about.

It sounds like miners are keeping a record of each time a bitcoin transaction is taking place and performing some process.

I read something on the internet where cigarettes were used as currency and the currency cigarettes were a lot thinner than smoking cigarettes,and kept getting thinner.

Is that like scalping 25 bitcoin's each time?

You're a bit confused there.
The 25 bitcoins at a time thing is 25 coins shared between a pool and the machine that does the most work gets the larger proportional share of the 25 coin payout. (you don't get 25 bitcoins each lol)

You can also just mine for coins on your own without the pool. Some people just prefer to join together in a pool is all in the hope that they will get coins faster.
With the butterfly hardware you would prolly just want to mine individually.

The amount of bitcoins has a physical limit (just as the phsyical amount of gold is limited), its purchasing power value however can be variable.
IIRC its around 170 dollars per bitcoin at the moment. People can also ofc trade fractions of a bitcoin just as we do with money eg cents as parts of dollars.

If this pool of people are receiving 25 bitcoin's when they mine do another 25 get added into the market?

Where do the 25 coins come from? who loses them? Is it devaluing the bitcoin?
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Bitcoin loses more than 50% today 12 Apr 2013 12:11 #15

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andyh wrote:
humanspirit wrote:
There is always a loser with get rich quick schemes.

So some people go mining for blocks of bitcoin's and for every block mined they get around 25 bitcoin's for their effort.

Is the mining needed for the currency to work,ie is it part of the complicated maths solution that is talked about.

It sounds like miners are keeping a record of each time a bitcoin transaction is taking place and performing some process.

I read something on the internet where cigarettes were used as currency and the currency cigarettes were a lot thinner than smoking cigarettes,and kept getting thinner.

Is that like scalping 25 bitcoin's each time?

You're a bit confused there.
The 25 bitcoins at a time thing is 25 coins shared between a pool and the machine that does the most work gets the larger proportional share of the 25 coin payout. (you don't get 25 bitcoins each lol)

You can also just mine for coins on your own without the pool. Some people just prefer to join together in a pool is all in the hope that they will get coins faster.
With the butterfly hardware you would prolly just want to mine individually.

The amount of bitcoins has a physical limit (just as the phsyical amount of gold is limited), its purchasing power value however can be variable.
IIRC its around 170 dollars per bitcoin at the moment. People can also ofc trade fractions of a bitcoin just as we do with money eg cents as parts of dollars.

If this pool of people are receiving 25 bitcoin's when they mine do another 25 get added into the market?

Where do the 25 coins come from? who loses them? Is it devaluing the bitcoin?

There are a maximum possible 21 million bitcoins possible to mine but each bitcoin can be broken up to 8 decimal places I think.
So imagine if you will a pound or a dollar that has pence or cents that cover 8 decimal places to make up the full pound or dollar.
Currently we only use 2 decimal places, eg 100 cents = 1 dollar.

No-one loses the bitcoins they are simply a complex mathematical solution with has 21 million possible solutions is all.
As more coins are mined the lower the value in theory as there is more money in circulation.

A lot depends on the value of a single bitcoin, if its say 100,000 dollars for 1 coin then you can easily see how the 8 decimal places would work.
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Bitcoin loses more than 50% today 12 Apr 2013 12:44 #16

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But are the miners an integral part of bitcoin,without them would the bitcoin system fail?
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Bitcoin loses more than 50% today 12 Apr 2013 13:05 #17

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humanspirit wrote:
But are the miners an integral part of bitcoin,without them would the bitcoin system fail?

Yes they are and yes it would.
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can i use bitcoin mining as a work related expense when playstation 4 comes out
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can i use bitcoin mining as a work related expense when playstation 4 comes out

lol :D

Not that you'd get much bitcoin mining done on a playstation. :p
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