I've no time for people who just want to use this information to get out of paying debts they knowingly took on. That to me is dishonourable mindset and I have no time for them. They are no different from the fraudsters who are using the banking system to rip people off to this day.

The fact, and the nub of the protest - for those genuine people - is that our government has given a license to Banks, not the rest of us, to print as much money as they like and charge the rest of us interest for the privilege. This is institutionalized fraud. Unless you give me, Joe Public, exactly the same privilege to lend out money I do not posesss, to people, secured on their personal possesions. clothes and furniture (small claims court) or the seizing of Real Property (Land, Home or Buildings) when they default on payment. It won't happen - especially since the money loaned never existed in the first place. There was no risk to the lender...the money they lent was only created by the signature of the borrower. They should, and could have gone straight to the treasury and loan me money at base rate. Who the fuck gave these "Bankers" more rights than average Joe?

It would be interesting to see what would happen if everybody took out as many loans as they could then refused to pay them back,
& kept on doing it until it was pointless to lend money this way.
It might not be a pretty end result, but it would be interesting!

Space Bandit wrote: Sounds like Gubmint policy - Taking our money for stuff....NHS, Unemployment/Sickness/Incapacity benefit and not paying up. Pay all your life into the plan and when it comes for the time to collect.....you don't get it....we changed the rules, coz we can.
Same thing with other Gubmint stuff - Pay into the Water/Electricity/Gas/Oil/Transport/Rail/Communications/Mail/Post Office infrastructure and when it is profitable we will sell it off to private investors - but don't worry - you can buy shares, again, in it, if we allow. Never mind that you already own all that shit anyway...we will make you pay for it TWICE. Awesome hey?
And here is the rub - Once we privatise all the stuff you already own - and when privatised it starts to fail - we will subsidise it with tax payer money....Yep! You are going to pay for it all again, for the third time. What a wheeze Hey?
Comes on folks - are we still falling for this same ol' same ol'.....again?

IDK if this is 100% true or not, I once read a document (I can't find it now) that stated that governments borrow money from central banks, to pay for infrastructure they then collect taxes to repay these loans, and it's been that was since ww2 at least?

I can't see how a government can run a country unless they rule that countries currency, this seems to be the case that the government is in debt to the banksters..

Seems to me the BOE is a branch of TWB and it's where our 'government' need to apply to for loans.

Space Bandit wrote: Yep does work with accounts in your own name in different banks. Their internal credit score computer programmes must 'rate' you on a basic level on how much credit you have coming in each month, will then try & flog you financial products based on that income.
Although you may get loads of junk mail saying you've been pre-approved for a £10k credit card or low-rate loan I imagine they do more intelligent credit checks prior to actually handing over the dough
Though I have 3 current accounts each with different free perks eg travel insurance if you credit x-amount per month... they don't seem to pay any attention as to where the credit comes from... or whether it merry go rounds back out again

Wise Haven wrote:
Privatised profit, socialised risk & debt. Pretty cunning plan eh? People either don't know, don't understand, don't attempt to understand, or don't care.
Same thing with mortgages.... not only do they print the money based on your signature as the consideration, they charge you around 2.5x the original amount back. Then they sell the mortgage note on in the sub-prime markets, raking in more cash from your signature. But that's not enough, so they get to a bailout situation because they've been gambling, and they get paid all over again. Magic!

They (the government) can borrow money from banks and use the populations projected future tax revenue to secure loans.

This means even children on the governments database of populous can be used to secure loans, as if the loans are to be paid back in a 20/30/40 yr period, the government can project the average tax per person that will be paid by the children when they grow up/pay tax.

Not to mention VAT.

So the population register is used to secure loans.

Blue_Tackler wrote:
That's sort of correct. The issuance of currency is through the central banks. The governments issue bonds which the central banks then take as promissary notes.
They then create fiat to match the bond 'price' and give it to the government. Or often....the banks.
The government then pays a yield as well as the principal of the bonds.
Ring any bells?
There are other ways bonds can be used. Ti borrow from other countries, banks.
It's all promissary notes from the top to the bottom...with interest.

Taxes do indeed principally pay off the debt. Though they don't and the debt keeps rising. Which ofc it would.
It's inevitable. There can never be enough money to fully pay off the debt. And if somehow there where and all the debt got paid, there'd be no money. Because all the promissary notes would be met and nullified.

Madness really when a country can lawfully print debt free currency.

Blue_Tackler wrote:
Correct.... but it stands to reason, in a way. No population - no loans!

This is where I imagine the fmotl birth bond idea comes from. If humans are given financial value at birth, that then means that more money can be raised on the back of that initial value. There is ofc, no proof of this whatsoever.

Space Bandit wrote:
Yeah I guess it's the old chestnut, Your birth/berth certificate is your receipt, and that receipt has a value based on taxes that will be paid by the person named. For what say from 18yrs old to 70? £25'000/£40'000 per year for 52 yrs I'm not doing the sums, but I guess it's easier to sort this out for the gov, when they are babies, because then they are alive, some may die young etc... or become disabled, but if its all projected at the time of birth, then the health is up, as there has been little time for sickness, So the value is at max,if they waited until people were 18 there would be less, so there are less 18yr olds than babies, as some of the babies would die before they become 18.

I think that's what they do, it's a bit of speculation on my part.

Blue_Tackler wrote:
Yes... and essentially because the human already has value like an asset. It's a bit like having say, a car.... and then being able to borrow money against it because the asset has value.
I also think this is the case, but it is just speculation. Proof of the birth bond theory is a bit of a holy grail!

Yeah well, I did once look on here but could not get it to work for me ....

To check your birth certificate on the stock exchange:

1. Go to www.fidelity.com
2. Click on 'Research'.
3. Click on 'Quote'.
4. Click on 'Symbol Look Up'.
5. Type in your Birth Number on the Birth Certificate with the dashes (e.g. 156-88-102939).
6. Make sure the top two drop-down menus are 'MUTUAL FUND' and 'FUND NUMBER' BEFORE you perform the search to find out who is trading on the FUND for the Birth Certificate.
7. Click on the Initialed Trading Company name under 'SYMBOL'. This will give you all of the trading information about who is trading on the fund that the birth certificate is a part of. This document was created when you were an infant. Commercial laws allow for you to cancel and rescind this simple contract—UCC3-203—and to make a Claim in recoupment (Reparations) for fraud committed upon you when you were and infant (See UCC 3-305).
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What is fidelity.com?
Tiz a nice idea though innit:)

The webpage for an investment company, I think information can be accessed about the stock exchange on their webpage...

Like you type in a code for an asset, then you see it's value on the stock exchange etc...

Everything on the stock exchange has a code, I hear, and the idea is that your birth certificate number is also your stock code.

BT - don't get into the UCC stuff. Seriously, you will waste your time and have your head messed with.

Yes, you are an asset/slave/bonded servant whatever you want to call it but it is much more subtle that that presented by the Birth bond people and you will have a very hard time finding a paper trail and an even tougher one proving it in court.

Blue_Tackler wrote:
I've seen this do the rounds on DIF, and it was established then that it was BS.
IF the birth bond theory is true, it's highly unlikely they will be traded on open stock markets. Too many people would know & it would become common knowledge. & again IF it's true, I imagine it's of paramount importance to keep it as secretive as possible, as it would reveal the true extent of our slavery & treatment as nothing more than a commodity.

I very much doubt that a single investment company would have sole access to such info.
I suspect that others have looked for alternative sources.
If they don't exist, i'd be inclined to go mmmm.

Wise Haven wrote:
Agreed.... it is a waste of time & extremely confusing!
Leave that to people like Winston Shrout.

edit:
actually I remember having a look for some Winston Shrout material, and he wanted something like £600 to hear these tapes of 'teh twoof'
obviously I wasn't paying anything, but managed to hear about 45mins of one of these recordings.... although I could understand the words, the sentences didn't make any sense whatsoever. It was just a load of gibberish.

I didn't say I believed it, I'm quite sure that when birth certificate or any other code is put into the the stock exchange that there's a chance sometimes it will be the same code as a product, perhaps the code is lead by the first few digits, hence something might register as your birth certificate number, by chance.



This guy seems to do it in front of camera.

Winston Shrout: Don't even go there SB - I got an aneuryism coming on just thunking about him.