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High Fructose Corn Syrup & Obesity/Illness 15 Jun 2012 02:59 #1

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I'm not a fan of the beeb at the best of times, but caught this online recently and I think it serves as a good general introduction to the issue and why we have ended up where we are. Worth a watch if you want to know the basics:

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01jxzv8/T...de_Us_Fat_Episode_1/

Gimme all your other hfcs horror stories and whatnot right here!
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Re: High Fructose Corn Syrup & Obesity/Illness 15 Jun 2012 23:42 #2

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OK - I want some clarification re labeling, specifically in the UK. Is this called cornflour over here? How would you know what to look for and are there any legal requirements for companies to actually define this ingredient, or can it just be labelled 'sugar'? :conf:
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Re: High Fructose Corn Syrup & Obesity/Illness 16 Jun 2012 00:07 #3

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just labeled sugar.because its the same thing.

to the body, its the same thing,atleast.

look, bodybuilders might be dumb and unsociabale, but one thing they know, and that is how food works.i.e. the effects of food on the body.

here is how sugar and especialy sugar drinks make you fat and ovver time, diabetic, if you just happen to get fat enough.
take note, so called fruit drinks and shakes and smoothies are all just as bad.all the same.fruit contain nothing but water and sugar.

the human body can only store sugars mainly in its muscle,aprox 300-400gramms,some 30gr in the liver and some traces in the blood.
all carbohydrates are being metabolized into sugars in the body.but there is a difference, for bread, itll take time to convert it into sugar, with sugar from drinks thats not the case.
if your bodys reserves are ful with sugar, the body cant but convert additional sugar into bodyfat.
sugar also makes you release insulin, and the presence of insulin-a storage hormone-will make the body programmed in a way to store as much fat as possible.
the worst combo of foods is fats with sugar, aka chocolate or cookies, the sugar in them will make your body store both the sugar and the fat as bodyfat immediately.not tomorow, but immediately.not much, but itll add up, and the result can be seen everywhere, ie, halfway obese people.
also sugar consumption will get your bloodsugar out of whack, youll feel tired soon afterwards(i need a coke for energy,man)and little bit later itll give false sensation of hunger.ever been eating chinese or mcdonalds and felt hungry short afterwards?
you think your body used that all up within an hour?lol
the fatter you are the more chances you have to develop diabetes, thatll be the end of the road then either way.

the body dont need any fizzydrink ever.

ppl are pampered overfed overeating pigs.

but thats alright to each his own.

the alternative diet sodas are ok insofar as they have no calories and no insulin is released.
whether the aspartame in them is ok or harmfull, i dont know, but certainly the fizzy thing in them is no good either.

milk is fucking shit too.think about it it comes from the tits of a cow, how can it be good?
wh not try the piss of a hyena or something.

alcohol is terrible period.

but people love alc mixed with sugar drinks, thats why you see so many fat young people.well that, and utter lack of sport engagment and fast food diet.
its always the same, ppl deny theyre gaining weight, then at later point try to cover it up with disguising clothing and then they find themselves in diabetes city and dont fit in a doorframe anymore.

how to eat properly should be thought at school, europe is becoming just as bad as the usa.

the health insurance costs will explode and everyone will ask where is the money :roll:

i will never again be nice to a fat person.its the wrong approach.
where theres no will theres no way.

i tend to fatness myself if i dont workout and watch closely what i eat.nobody has specialy bad genetic metabolism, except maybe 1 in 10000.
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Re: High Fructose Corn Syrup & Obesity/Illness 16 Jun 2012 00:22 #4

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Thank you hada. Why won't you be nice to a fat person again?
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Re: High Fructose Corn Syrup & Obesity/Illness 16 Jun 2012 00:55 #5

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Thank you hada. Why won't you be nice to a fat person again?
yeah, as in trying to give advice.
they dont really want to hear it or do anything about it.
everyone has to get started on his own.

many many people ask me for dietary advice and training stuff.
most want to lose weight and have the notorious sixpack(if it was so easy everyone would have one).
they ask for a diet.you know , there are ways to get there rather quick, but a single diet will never fix anything in the long run if ppl go back to old habbits.i dont tell them the second part, for it might be demotivational.
i try to motivate them to the diet, but this alone is too much.
i tell them no booze, bc booze is like drinking french fries and alc totaly stops any fatburning proces in the body.
then they say "come on , once in a week a beer or so is ok,no?"
i say its suboptimal but yeah have your 1 beer then.
then they report of fequent coma-binging a week later :roll:

same with the food, asking if this and that is ok "once in a while".no, its not, if they wanna lose weight.
its not just they want to lose weight(thats quite easy), no, they want a sixpack, which will only be visible if bodyfat is really really low, and they ask if that can be achieved with cookies and whatnot.
youll see lean ppl eating at mcdonalds and they dont get fat, but theyre already lean.
a fat person wont get lean on that food, its simply impossible.

many consider tasty food as quality of life, oh well,i can understand them, but there has to be a limit.

food is addictive, just as bad as hard drugs are, im not making this up, there are studies.

yeah, this means ill stare at fatsos in disgust and maybe even poke fun at them.
even if they drag their obese selves to a gym to loose weight,ill still laugh until they get in shape.
why?bc most give up after couple days,or after burning 300calories on treadmil in an hour, they go out the gym and grant themselves a 1000calories pizza, for the effort i guess.
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Re: High Fructose Corn Syrup & Obesity/Illness 16 Jun 2012 02:49 #6

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Does anyone have thoughts on honey, is it in the same vein ultimately?
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Re: High Fructose Corn Syrup & Obesity/Illness 16 Jun 2012 19:54 #7

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Coco wrote:
Does anyone have thoughts on honey, is it in the same vein ultimately?
yes same thing.

not as much a fluid, but way more dense.

bears prefer honey to everything, because very little from that contains alot of energy/calories.

and jam.

the combo of butter bread and jam is a deadly classic.this stuf is outdated, this was usefull back then when ppl where so poor they couldnt afford more/other food and often didnt know where next meal was gonna come from, this keps one full for a while.

but today, its more like this, breakfast as above, then snacks in between(a mars bar is 300calories), then a hefty meal at noon, followed by random snakc, then a good dinner, followed by snacks infront of tv, often with beer.

this cannot possibly end well in the long run.

a female body maintains its weight at average 2k cals daily, men at 2500.
in real food, that is less than people think it is.

a sartbucks coffeshake has some 500-800cals
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Re: High Fructose Corn Syrup & Obesity/Illness 17 Jun 2012 09:41 #8

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Hada, what you say is partly true.

Last year I ended up becoming about 7 pounds overweight because I was ill, couldn't exercise and was comfort eating. I wanted to get down to a healthy bmi weight for my surgery and I did so by just cutting portion sizes. I still had treats, but only once or twice a week - as in a roast dinner with a nice pudding on a Sunday and perhaps a few biscuits mid week. After the surgery I dropped more weight, but that's pretty normal.

Once I had recovered I started resistance training and HIIT as I had lost quite a lot of weight, but I was skinny-fat. Even with the resistance training and having cheat meals once or twice a week I have got leaner, lost a few pounds and probably gained some muscle.

I think it is all about moderation. Many people who are overweight tend to have lots of carbs most days, crisps, bread, pasta, potatoes, they eat a lot of biscuits and chocolate and drink at the weekend . They can't understand why they're not losing weight :chuckle: . If they ate a clean diet without sugar most of the time and had a couple of nice dinners with pudding twice a week, they would certainly lose weight.
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Re: High Fructose Corn Syrup & Obesity/Illness 17 Jun 2012 13:51 #9

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Thanks Lesley and all.

That was kinda the point of my posting this. Whether it's hfcs or actual sugar, a lot of stuff is being added to food that people simply aren't aware of.

I appreciate it is up to the individual to educate themselves on this stuff, but for the most part, until you actually get sick or notice that something is not right, it doesn't occur to many to do so. Most people just eat what they've always eaten, assuming there couldn't possibly be anything harmful being thrown into the mix. Their gub'ment wouldn't allow it and so on.

This stuff is particularly insidious too, as it's added to foods that you might not necessarily think would have it in. As mentioned, not only is it used as a sweetener, it's also added to meat cuts and bread as an extender. So, you may think you are avoiding it but it can be quite difficult to tell, especially these days.

I agree, perhaps more should be done to educate whilst in school, but then I think I am savvy enough to recognise that if there is an 'agenda' at play here and I believe that there is in this instance, that would certainly be counter-productive. People who have studied health and even health & safety, as well as a few who have taken the time to look into it, may be aware. Your average Joe Bloggs however, will not be, and possibly not until it's far too late for them health-wise.
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Re: High Fructose Corn Syrup & Obesity/Illness 17 Jun 2012 13:54 #10

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Frog posted this in my Pepsi thread, and it's well worth a watch, imo:



It's not about hfcs that I can remember, but it's in a similar vein.
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Re: High Fructose Corn Syrup & Obesity/Illness 17 Jun 2012 13:59 #11

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In reference to Abs' above remark: I recently had a baloney sandwich for the first time in years....YUK!!! It was so very salty. I don't know if baloney was always that salty and I was just used to it, or if over they years it became so salty.

I couldn't eat it, refused to give it to my dog or throw it in the field for the wild critters to eat; To the rubbish it went. I know, I know, I was throwing out money.........it was very salty and nasty. The waste of money was not throwing out that junk, but purchasing it in the first place.
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Re: High Fructose Corn Syrup & Obesity/Illness 17 Jun 2012 14:00 #12

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As an aside, and because it's something I have thought a lot about recently, say you were to just switch to a high protein diet, what do you think those animals are fed with?

See where I'm going with this? This stuff, and stuff just as harmful is literally EVERYWHERE. You'd struggle to avoid it at all unless you kept your own animals and grew your own produce.
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Re: High Fructose Corn Syrup & Obesity/Illness 17 Jun 2012 14:03 #13

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Coco wrote:
In reference to Abs' above remark: I recently had a baloney sandwich for the first time in years....YUK!!! It was so very salty. I don't know if baloney was always that salty and I was just used to it, or if over they years it became so salty.

I couldn't eat it, refused to give it to my dog or throw it in the field for the wild critters to eat; To the rubbish it went. I know, I know, I was throwing out money.........it was very salty and nasty. The waste of money was not throwing out that junk, but purchasing it in the first place.

I think you can begin to notice additives if you've taken care of yourself and watched what you put in coco, so that's a good sign! My main concern is that those of us who aren't millionaires are really going to start struggling to find stuff that is free of this crap in the future.
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Re: High Fructose Corn Syrup & Obesity/Illness 17 Jun 2012 14:20 #14

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Ab Origine wrote:
Coco wrote:
In reference to Abs' above remark: I recently had a baloney sandwich for the first time in years....YUK!!! It was so very salty. I don't know if baloney was always that salty and I was just used to it, or if over they years it became so salty.

I couldn't eat it, refused to give it to my dog or throw it in the field for the wild critters to eat; To the rubbish it went. I know, I know, I was throwing out money.........it was very salty and nasty. The waste of money was not throwing out that junk, but purchasing it in the first place.

I think you can begin to notice additives if you've taken care of yourself and watched what you put in coco, so that's a good sign! My main concern is that those of us who aren't millionaires are really going to start struggling to find stuff that is free of this crap in the future.

You said it!

The price of vegetables and fruits at the grocery store/market is just obscene! Who do they think they are? The price of produce at farmers' markets is only a bit less. We've tried to grow veggies but they die in the poor soil and consistent hot, dry breeze.

In the particular area I live nothing grows but tough field grass. Some have tried to grow veggies but they are comically small, so the farmer's market is where I get my veggies; Those folks grow their crops only 15-40 miles away! The only reason my dad bought in this area , where we live, is because he didn't think others could possibly want to live in such an area (wrong!), and the arid environment would prevent frequent mowing.....plus the land was cheaper than heck. This patch of Central Texas was once open, grazing range for cattle. I'm not building here.

But you have a great point for consideration, Abs. I haven't consumed certain products in a long time and when I do eat them they are usually terribly salty or terribly sweet. I just don't know if manufacturers are adding more salt and sugar. Anyway: No thanks!
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Re: High Fructose Corn Syrup & Obesity/Illness 17 Jun 2012 18:17 #15

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Does it get added to food in the UK? I honestly don't know. :conf: Normal sugar is added to just about everything in the UK though.

Coco, I noticed that the healthy stuff is getting more expensive over here to. In fact, all food is going up in price all the time.

I have often thought that lots of people these days have lost sight of the amount of food we actually need. Most people just eat far too much. In Yoga, Buddhism and other spiritual teachings they do say that after every meal you should always feel as if you could eat more. You shouldn't go hungry, but you shouldn't feel entirely full either.

Then again I know some people who eat tons and never seem to put on weight.
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Re: High Fructose Corn Syrup & Obesity/Illness 17 Jun 2012 18:55 #16

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Hey Lesley. According to the vid in op they do, and have been since the 70s. I know sugar isn't much better for you, but my concern is that they have been adding this replacement to stuff and calling it "sugar", when it isn't and can have some dire consequences to your health.

I agree with Hada that it's all down to individual choice and responsibility, but that argument kind of falls on its arse when you are told that something is something that it isn't and some cases, aren't told at all (at least not in any way you'd be able to tell, unless you knew what you were looking for), particularly when it's added to prolong shelf-life and stuff. Vid is worth a watch if you have the time: it was on i-player from the beeb, which makes me wary, but I kind of knew something like this was going on before I watched it. If there is an angle, I haven't figured it out yet. :chuckle:
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Re: High Fructose Corn Syrup & Obesity/Illness 17 Jun 2012 19:36 #17

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sadly, with food theres a general rule, the better it tastes, the fatter it makes you.

ppl think bread is healthy or something, but even that has to be eaten in moderation.

carbs make you feel like wanting more of them immediately after a portion, often until youre full.
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www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-20448...ngredients-food.html
The rotten truth: Why 'fruit sugar' is one of the most damaging ingredients in our food

By John Naish
UPDATED: 02:26, 4 October 2011

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-20448...d.html#ixzz1y4rHnapM


Sweet, cheap and natural — fructose sounds like the ideal ‘healthy’ sweetener.

However, the sugar, which is found naturally in fruit but is now added to many processed foods, may hide a range of deadly secrets.

Scientists are discovering that fructose appears to be linked to serious modern epidemics such as cancers, heart disease, hypertension, kidney damage and even dementia.

The latest fears were raised last week by research that found people who consume lots of fructose by drinking fruit juice have an increased risk of rectal cancer.

The research, published in the Journal of the American Dietetic Association, suggests that the high content of fructose in processed fruit juice may be the trigger.

The problem, the researchers say, is that many substances found in fruit which help protect against bowel cancer — such as fibre, vitamin C and other antioxidants — are lost during processing.

There have been other concerns about the fructose content of fruit juice. Earlier this year, scientists at Bangor University warned that even freshly-squeezed juice contains up to five teaspoons of fructose per glass, which may lead to weight gain or even diabetes.

The British Dietetic Association says that because of this we should drink only one 150ml glass of juice a day.

It warns: ‘Although fruit juice is natural, it has had all the fibre squeezed out of it and so the fructose is easily absorbed into the bloodstream.’

If only keeping one’s consumption of fructose down to safe daily levels were that straightforward.

Nowadays, fructose is cropping up not just in fruit juice, where it occurs naturally, but in all sorts of foods and drinks — from biscuits to ice cream.

Most consumers wouldn’t know: it can be listed in the ingredients under a variety of names. The most common name for industrially produced versions is high-fructose corn syrup. It is a processed form of fructose derived basically from corn.

In the UK, it is replacing beet and cane sugar, because it’s cheap and keeps foods moist, boosting shelf life. It adds texture to food such as cereal bars and biscuits, making them chewy, and thickens ice cream and yoghurt drinks.

High-fructose-corn syrup is used in frozen products, too, as it reduces crystallisation. Another benefit is that it turns baked products an appetising brown, so you can often find it in cakes, pastries and bread rolls, crackers and cereals.

It’s easy to see why manufacturers of food and drink love corn syrup — and are using so much of it. A low-fat, fruit-flavoured yoghurt, for instance, can harbour ten teaspoons of the fructose-based sweetener in one pot. A can of soft drink can contain as much as 13 teaspoons.

Scientists are now growing increasingly worried about fructose syrup’s health effects, because although it contains around the same number of calories as cane sugar, the body does not metabolise fructose syrup in the same way.

It places a far greater load on the liver, which, in turn, prompts a range of problems, including raised levels of fat in the bloodstream.

In August, a U.S. study published in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism found that adults who consumed high fructose corn syrup in fizzy drinks for two weeks as 25 per cent of their daily calorie requirement had increased blood levels of cholesterol and fats called triglycerides, which are linked to an increased risk of heart disease.

Fructose may also cause liver damage, the U.S. study found. As Dr Kimber Stanhope, who led the study, explains: ‘Fructose overloads the liver. It then gets turned into liver fat, which then increases blood triglycerides, cholesterol and the risk of cardiovascular disease.’
High levels of fructose intake has been linked with the formation of beta-amyloid plaques in the brain, which are often seen in people with Alzheimer's

She adds that fructose may also increase the risk of diabetes in this way.

‘The extra liver fat may cause the increased insulin resistance we see in people consuming fructose.’ Insulin resistance is linked to a higher risk of diabetes.

Fructose may also make you more prone to obesity. For example, laboratory research by Princeton University this year concluded that ‘long-term consumption of high-fructose corn syrup resulted in abnormal increases in body fat, especially in the abdomen’.

Such abdominal fat may raise your risk of heart disease and stroke.

Professor Bart Hoebel, who led the study, says: ‘Some people have claimed that high-fructose corn syrup is no different to other sweeteners when it comes to weight gain and obesity, but our results make it clear that this just isn’t true.’

High blood pressure is another danger, say researchers at Imperial College, London. The study, published in the journal Hypertension earlier this year, showed that people’s blood pressure rose significantly for every extra sweetened drink they consumed per day.

Dr Ian Brown, one of the researchers, says fructose may reduce nitric oxide levels in the bloodstream. This chemical is vital for keeping blood vessels healthily dilated.

Professor Richard Johnson, who led the University of Colorado study, was moved by the seriousness of this result to declare: ‘Excessive fructose intake should be considered an environmental toxin with major health implications.’

Perhaps even more worrying, research by Cambridge University suggests fructose may be helping to fuel rising levels of dementia.

Laboratory studies have linked high intakes of fructose with the formation of beta-amyloid plaques in the brains of animals. These plaques are frequently seen in people with Alzheimer’s.

In the U.S., concerns over risks of high fructose corn syrup have led to it being branded ‘the devil’s candy’ — even Michelle Obama has declared she doesn’t want her daughters eating it.

In response, its makers, the Corn Refiners Association, are trying to rebrand high fructose corn syrup as ‘corn sugar’.

This attempt to camouflage the product has prompted a high-level legal case in the U.S. courts —launched by makers of traditional cane-sugar sucrose who don’t want to be sullied by high-fructose corn syrup’s worsening reputation.

However, British health authorities seem unworried and unwilling to accept responsibility.

The Food Standards Agency says: ‘The syrup is not classed as an additive. It’s just thick sugar. It’s not even classed as a novel food, so it is an issue about nutrition rather than food safety.’

The agency says any food-safety concerns should be the Department of Health’s responsibility. But the latter says the former should be regulating it.

So how can British consumers keep an eye on their intake of high corn fructose syrup?

The problem is that it’s listed under confusingly different names on food labels — it can be known as glucose-fructose syrup, isoglucose and maize syrup.

The food-makers’ Food and Drink Federation does not believe there are problems with labelling, as it ‘fits with current EU legislation’. It adds: ‘High-fructose corn syrup is not widely used in the UK’.

But a quick check at my local supermarket shows ‘glucose fructose syrup’ and fructose are ingredients in many products including: Muller Light Vanilla Yoghurt, Yoplait Petits Filous, Mr Kipling Almond Slices, Bakewell Slices and Victoria Slices, Lucozade Energy drink, Carte D’or ice cream and McVitie’s Hob Nobs, Ginger Nuts and Jaffa Cakes.

As Helen Bond, of the British Dietetic Association, says: ‘There are a lot of frightening trials out there about the potential effects of high fructose corn syrup. What we need, though, is more scientific work.’

In the meantime, it is surely wise to err on the side of caution.
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In the U.S., HFCS is among the sweeteners that have primarily replaced sucrose (table sugar) in the food industry. Factors for this include governmental production quotas of domestic sugar, subsidies of U.S. corn, and an import tariff on foreign sugar; all of which combine to raise the price of sucrose to levels above those of the rest of the world, making HFCS less costly for many sweetener applications. Critics of the extensive use of HFCS in food sweetening argue that the highly processed substance is more harmful to humans than regular sugar, contributing to weight gain by affecting normal appetite functions,[8] and that in some foods HFCS may be a source of mercury, a known neurotoxin.[9][10][not in citation given] The Corn Refiners Association disputes these claims and maintains that HFCS is comparable to table sugar.[11] Studies by the American Medical Association suggest "it appears unlikely that HFCS contributes more to obesity or other conditions than sucrose", but welcome further independent research on the subject.[12] Further reviews in the clinical literature have disputed the links between HFCS and obesity,[13] diabetes,[14] and metabolic syndrome,[13] and concluded that HFCS is no different from any other sugar in relationship to these diseases. HFCS has been classified generally recognized as safe (GRAS) by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration since 1976.
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OK, so why is HFCS bad?

When we eat most carbohydrate foods, the blood sugar level increases and insulin is secreted to transport the sugar into the body's cells. Besides helping to transport blood sugar, insulin also triggers the release of a hormone called leptin. Leptin helps control hunger by signaling the brain that the body is full and therefore to stop eating.

The interesting fact about HFCS is that it is metabolized in a totally different way than other carbohydrates. It does not stimulate or require insulin for transportation to the cells. Since there is no need for insulin release, there is also no secretion of leptin. Therefore the feeling of satiety is altered-you continue to eat and possibly overeat. In other words, this study proposes that because fructose doesn't trip our sense of satiety as sugar would, we are, perhaps, eating more sugars to compensate, and upping overall caloric intake in the process
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