Omg, it's that annoying holier than though bird with the fake tits. If eating a raw vegan diet will turn you pious bell-ends like her and DR (who both need a slap), I think I'll carry on as I am thanks

Also, can you still swallow semen on a raw vegan diet?

I have just ditched dairy for good btw It's addictive and full of puss!

Interesting - if a little pious, as lesley points out, above! The fake-boobied presenter probably has a point though - my own diet is a bit heavy on the acid side, and I already have osteoporosis (although that's not due to excess protein). No need, though, IMHO, to give up meat completely if you don't want to (and I also think, incidentally, that saturated fat has been unjustly maligned, but then I could be wrong - I'm not an expert!). I just think that moderation is the key word!

@ lesley - you're right about dairy. I posted a link to an interesting article about how degraded modern milk is in irrie's "eggs" thread.

Mandy

LesleyPumpshaft wrote:
This is an interesting question actually.

G'day Domzthy.

Freely is 'on the money' when she states that acidic foods (dairy is a primary one) force the physicality to leech calcium from the teeth and bones.

CALCIUM AND BONE DISEASE

Important UPDATE 1/2001:

A study published in the January, 2001 edition of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition examined the diets of 1,035 women, particularly focusing on the protein intake from animal and vegetable products. Deborah Sellmeyer, M.D., found:

ANIMAL PROTEIN INCREASES BONE LOSS

In her study, women with a high animal-to-vegetable protein ratio experienced an increased rate of femoral neck bone loss. A high animal-to-vegetable protein ratio was also associated with an increased risk of hip fracture.

WHY DOES ANIMAL PROTEIN CAUSE BONE LOSS?

I spoke with Dr. Sellmeyer, and here is her explaination:

"Sulphur-containing amino acids in protein-containing foods are metabolized to sulfuric acid. Animal foods provide predominantly acid precursors. Acidosis stimulates osteoclastic activity and inhibits osteoblast activity."

MEAT EATERS HAVE MORE HIP FRACTURES

Sellmeyer's remarkable publication reveals:

"Women with high animal-to-vegetable protein rations were heavier and had higher intake of total protein. These women had a significantly increased rate of bone loss than those who ate just vegetable protein. Women consuming higher rates of animal protein had higher rates of bone loss and hip fracture by a factor of four times."

Milk has been called "liquid meat." The average American eats five ounces of animal protein each day in the form of red meat and chicken. At the same time, the average American consumes nearly six times that amount (29.2 ounces) per day of milk and dairy products.

How ironic it is that the dairy industry continues to promote the cause of bone disease as the cure.

Deborah Sellmeyer's brilliant work is supported by a grant from the National Institutes of Health.

Dr. Sellmeyer may be reached by EMAIL: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

Continued at ... notmilk.com/deb/092098.html

My strength has increased whilst being vegan. I went fully vegan at the beginning of the year. Over the years I've done a lot of training but nothing has brought me on in the same way as being vegan. I've noticed that recovery from training is also faster. I'm not a body builder, I train mostly to feel good and for better posture. Loosing weight is not really my agenda nor is gaining muscle. Muscle gain is really only of interest, in the advancement of better body/muscle balance. Ie correction of poor posture. One of my main protein sources are stinging nettles at the moment. Although they grow everywhere, to do what I do with them, takes time and effort, so they are in fact, a super food that would command quite a high premium, if you were able to buy fresh pressed juice in the shops. This is not possible as far as I know. In any case, I only take the best plants and juice only their tops.

Juicing them, means that you can consume a lot. They are 25% protein and anyone who's discovered that animal proteins might not be the best, should consider this super food. Even those on animal products still. Why not? Full of minerals too.

www.eatweeds.co.uk/frank-cook-on-nettle

I could almost write a small book on this fantastic plant so far and what you can do with it. Cooked nettles are also fantastic. One of the easiest ways to get yourself further away from supermarket dependance. Foraging on a bike makes covering the ground necessary to find the best ones, very helpful.

Hi there, icke is right - great post - I rate nettles very highly too, and enjoy nettle tea! Herbalists apparently regard them as "nature's multivitamin and multimineral" supplement!

Mandy

Hello, Quiet, nice that you're on this forum too. I posted about this before, so you know the score from the DI site. Sorry to hear that you are ill. You, know, come to think of it, I've only had nettle tea from the shops. I will try doing some infusions with some leaves as I love nettle tea too.

I wonder if you could green juice back to top form eg with wild plants and other things? It would be cool if you could.

G'day Icke_Is_Right.

I eliminated eating all animals products almost 13 years ago now ... I wish I had always eaten this way. Funnily enough, no protein deficiency. In fact, you basically have to be starving to have a protein deficiency.

There are many top line athletes that eat a vegetarian/vegan diet, here's a classic example ...

LesleyPumpshaft wrote:
Fear not, dear heart. I believe this is still a goer!

Gobble, gobble...

I AM ALL I AM wrote:
G'day. I love the posts you've done lately. I checked out the Milk one today, very nice. Nice to hear from Carl Lewis, he seems like a nice guy. I would add though, I stay clear of the tofu/soy. My partner drinks Soy Milk to reduce her oestrogen levels, hence there are uses for it but it can effect your system adversely.

I was veggie for 16 years or so, I did eat a little fish for under a year period in that time as I searched for answers. So, I've been without meat now for about 17 years. I'm still alive! Amazing innit?!

Ab Origine wrote:
Abs is back! Hurrah!

Viz the question of whether or not you can "swallow" on a raw vegan diet - I must admit I haven't given this subject much thought but I believe it's OK as you don't have to kill the bloke (or make him suffer) in order to do it...

Mandy

icke_is_right wrote:
I remember we had a good convo about nettles on the DIF, IIR! It's nice to see you here!

I have CFS/ME and IBS amongst other things, and have experimented with my diet over the years. I'm interested in the Paleo and the SCD diets, but have yet to take the plunge!

Mandy

icke_is_right wrote:
G'day Icke_Is_Right.

Thanks mate.

Apart from the occasional use of Soy sauce, I steer clear of soy products. Personally, I use rice milk as I always thought that the soy milk was too thick. I have had a taste of almond milk, and if there was no rice milk that's probably the one I'd use (or nothing at all).

Yeah, still alive ... lean (skinny ... from a fat persons perspective ) with muscular definition, without eating any meat. I must be a walking contradiction ... right ?!?!?

I mean, if you don't eat meat, how can you build any muscle ? ... right ?

quietgirl wrote:
G'day Quietgirl.

A question, so that I completely comprehend this situational ...

Basically, it's okay for you to swallow, so long as the fella isn't wearing a gimp suit. Is that about right ?


It's amazing what a google search turns up ...


What is the nutritional content of human semen?


Answer
Semen contains only 15 calories and boy does it have a lot of stuff in it. So let's have a look. Ejaculate contains aboutonia, ascorbic acid, blood-group antigens, calcium, chlorine, cholesterol, choline, citric acid, creatine, deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA), fructose, glutathione, hyaluronidase, inositol, lactic acid, magnesium, nitrogen, phosphorous, potassium, purine, pyrimidine, pyruvic acid, sodium, sorbitol, spermidine, spermine, urea, uric acid, vitamin B12, and zinc. Wow! All that stuff is very healthy.

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Definition of Terms:

Semen - an organic fluid, also known as seminal fluid, that usually contains spermatozoa, and physiologically secreted by the gonads (sexual glands) and other sexual organs of male or hermaphroditic animals to fertilize the female ova.

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Typically, semen contains rather high nutritional content. In one typical ejaculation (approximately one teaspoon), semen contains 150 mg of protein, 11 mg of carbohydrates, 6 mg fat, 3 mg cholesterol, 7% US RDA potassium and 3% US RDA copper and zinc.

There are trace amounts of several vitamins in a regular, healthy, ejaculation-full of semen. In fact, the amount of vitamin C is about the same as in an orange.

A typical ejaculation fills up about one teaspoon; the actual amount is determined by a man's age (younger men usually make more semen), when he last ejaculated, and how long he's aroused before ejaculating, among other factors. Contrary to what you've heard, semen is not loaded with calories. Each teaspoon of ejaculate has about 5 - 7 calories and some 200 - 500 million sperm. Since sperm make up only about 1 percent of semen, what accounts for the other 99 percent? Well, its other ingredients include:

* Fructose sugar
* Water
* Ascorbic acid (a.k.a., vitamin C)
* Citric acid
* Enzymes
* Protein
* Phosphate and bicarbonate buffers (bases)
* Zinc

Can swallowing semen enrich a poor diet? Unless you're gulping gallons of it each day, it's no substitute for real nutritious cuisine.

It is anti depressant and contains epinephrine.

wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_nutrition...ntent_of_human_semen

So, not only does it contain protein, it's a good source of B12. Now why isn't that listed as a source of B12 in any of the articles that I've read ?

I AM ALL I AM wrote:
I AM ALL I AM wrote:

icke_is_right wrote:

Ab Origine wrote:
Gosh, it sounds like a super-food! Shame it doesn't taste more like Cadbury's Creme Eggs or mint choc chip ice-cream, really!

I shall refrain from commenting further on this particular issue as I'm scared my Mum will see it!

Mandy

you can also get rice, almond and coconut drinks as a milk replacement. I don't have dairy after reading about all the puss in it

The only thing I'm bothered about is having a milky type coffee.

quietgirl wrote:
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