Sanctum Zone

Keyword
A+ A A-
Welcome, Guest
Username: Password: Remember me
  • Page:
  • 1

TOPIC: GM Crops Coming to Britain

GM Crops Coming to Britain 20 Jun 2013 11:48 #1

  • wake_up_bomb
  • wake_up_bomb's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • Posts: 5063
  • Thank you received: 4418
  • Karma: 56
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/e...m-crops-8654595.html
Britain is to push the European Union to relax restrictions on the licensing of genetically modified crops for human consumption amid growing scientific evidence that they are safe, and surveys showing they are supported by farmers. The Environment Secretary, Owen Paterson, is expected to use a speech next week to outline the start of a new government approach to GM to ensure Britain “is not left behind” in agricultural science.

The move comes as 61 per cent of UK farmers now say they would like to grow GM crops after a disastrous 12-month cycle of poor weather that is expected significantly to reduce harvest yields. Senior government officials said that ministers are increasingly concerned that the potential moral and ethical benefits of GM are being ignored by costly and bureaucratic licensing regulations.

With one-twelfth of global arable land under GM cultivation they have privately warned that Britain faces being left behind in an important technology that has the potential to improve crop yields, help the UK’s agricultural industry and provide benefits to human health through vitamin fortification.

Government sources added that GM also had applications beyond food including the potential to combat diseases such as ash dieback and in developing new medicines.

“The point about GM is not simply about food production,” they said. “There are wider potential environmental and economic benefits to the technology both in the UK and internationally.

“What we want to do is start a dialogue within Europe on GM based upon the science.”

This isn’t happening for economic reasons, though, oh no not a bit of it. It’s because...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22967571
GM crops are probably safer than conventional plants according to the Environment Secretary.

Making the strongest call yet for the adoption of the technology, Mr Paterson told the BBC that that GM has significant benefits for farmers, consumers and the environment.

He said the next generation of GM crops offers the "most wonderful opportunities to improve human health."

But green groups say this new push is dangerous and misguided.

The environment secretary has never made a secret of his support for GM technology. Speaking to the BBC ahead of a major speech in favour of GM, Mr Paterson said it was being adopted by the rest of the world and the UK and Europe risked being left behind.
He dismissed criticisms that GM could pose problems to human health.

"The use of more precise technology and the greater regulatory scrutiny probably make GMOs even safer than than conventional plants and food," he said.
The true measure of a man is not his intelligence or how high he rises in this freak establishment. The true measure of a man is this: how quickly he can respond to the needs of others and how much of himself he can give - Philip K. Dick.
Last Edit: 20 Jun 2013 11:48 by wake_up_bomb.
You must register to post here.

GM Crops Coming to Britain 20 Jun 2013 13:13 #2

  • LesleyPumpshaft
  • LesleyPumpshaft's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • arse biscuits
  • Posts: 2060
  • Thank you received: 1010
  • Karma: 47
I can see why farmers would want to grow them and understand that last year was a tough one. I don't like the idea personally.
You must register to post here.

GM Crops Coming to Britain 20 Jun 2013 14:08 #3

  • psketti
  • psketti's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Hired help
  • Rankadmin
  • we cant stop here, this is dog country
  • Posts: 15528
  • Thank you received: 5668
  • Karma: 100
Would I be right in saying it's irreversible once the process is introduced?
the anorak hides the fact that sean is composed of 95% vaginas
You must register to post here.

GM Crops Coming to Britain 20 Jun 2013 17:05 #4

  • humanspirit
  • humanspirit's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Expert Boarder
  • Rank4
  • Posts: 1736
  • Thank you received: 894
  • Karma: 21
One worrying aspect is the patenting of the seeds.

As far as i am aware companies such as Monsanto,Bayer,Agrevo,KWS,Limagrain-vilmorin,Land o'Lakes,Dow,Dupont,BASF,Syngenta and Novartis have patents which they heavily police with their respective legal teams.

Do farmers have to sign a new contract each season for planting the GM seeds used from these companies,i know they can only use each batch they obtain for one season only and if they plant the seeds for a later crop will end up in court where they will be heavily fined.

Hmm where have i seen some of those companies names before.
naivety attracts evil and evil attracts naivety
Last Edit: 20 Jun 2013 17:08 by humanspirit.
You must register to post here.
The following user(s) said Thank You: Black Cloud

GM Crops Coming to Britain 20 Jun 2013 17:19 #5

  • mikey mikey
  • mikey mikey's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • Posts: 6518
  • Thank you received: 3378
  • Karma: 23
thank you St Jude for favours granted
You must register to post here.
The following user(s) said Thank You: Black Cloud

GM Crops Coming to Britain 20 Jun 2013 17:29 #6

  • dubmeup
  • dubmeup's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • Posts: 3239
  • Thank you received: 2296
  • Karma: 0
"Safer than conventional plants"...

...

...


:facepalm:

The problem with 'conventional' agriculture is largely. An attitude one. The soil is treated as an anchor for roots and a medium for holding nutrients. Whereas it is actually a living, breathing multitude of organisms...well natural soil is. Conventionally farmed soil is a barren wasteground.

This attitude extends from there to gm.

The real way to sort things out is to lose the attitude, to accept that ultimately you can't defeat nature and only working with it will yield sustainability.
"laws are unenforceable if the majority break them."-humanspirit,
"avoid the concept of an ambassador for truth altogether"-gilly.
Last Edit: 20 Jun 2013 17:34 by dubmeup.
You must register to post here.
The following user(s) said Thank You: oioioi

GM Crops Coming to Britain 21 Jun 2013 07:05 #7

  • Gilly
  • Gilly's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Platinum Boarder
  • Rank6
  • Psychic Assassin
  • Posts: 11225
  • Thank you received: 6506
  • Karma: 99
I don't believe farmers do want to grow them. Initially, the Indian farmers did, but they were lied to about the magical qualities of these seedss, and that was before the dangers of them were well known. They'll have to either be incentivised financially to do it, or penalised for not doing it I should think - or both.

It's not that long (a couple of years I think) since I heard some heart-warming coverage on a local radio program about every single attempt at growing GM crops in Lancashire having been thwarted by saboteurs. I sincerely hope that's still the case.
Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ]
You must register to post here.

GM Crops Coming to Britain 21 Jun 2013 09:33 #8

  • andyh
  • andyh's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Platinum Boarder
  • Rank6
  • Posts: 10337
  • Thank you received: 3545
  • Karma: 62
Yeah I noticed sky news giving a ridiculously biased coverage of this last night.
It was sickening to watch tbh... lots of fox news style graphics and bullshit about how its safe because its farmed in large volume elsewhere...WTF?! How does that make it safe exactly? lol...fucking morons.
“Fascists are not human. A snake is more human.” - Hugo Chávez
You must register to post here.

GM Crops Coming to Britain 21 Jun 2013 09:34 #9

  • andyh
  • andyh's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Platinum Boarder
  • Rank6
  • Posts: 10337
  • Thank you received: 3545
  • Karma: 62
Patersons a twat btw.
“Fascists are not human. A snake is more human.” - Hugo Chávez
You must register to post here.

GM Crops Coming to Britain 21 Jun 2013 12:06 #10

  • wake_up_bomb
  • wake_up_bomb's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • Posts: 5063
  • Thank you received: 4418
  • Karma: 56
Gilly wrote:
They'll have to either be incentivised financially to do it, or penalised for not doing it I should think - or both.
This is the reality of the situation. In the United States, farmers are paid to produce a surplus of corn for no good reason whatsoever. They’re now turning corn into fuel, and it’s admitted that this has contributed to the increase in food prices. This is happening purely for economic reasons, there is no other justification. There are so many false premises at the heart of the MSM coverage of this issue.

GM crops are safer than conventional plants – obviously people don’t drop down dead immediately after eating GM food; you’d hope it would be withdrawn from the market were that the case! We’re seeing cancers, conditions like asthma, numerous allergies all going through the roof. This is because the human immune system is being steadily – some might say systematically – broken down. GM food is only one contributory factor to this, but I do believe that it makes a contribution. As did Dr. Árpád Pusztai who was one of the world experts at the time.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81rp%C3%A1d_Pusztai#Pusztai_affair

You can see a lot more about this in the film ‘The World According to Monsanto’, but Pusztai’s research was directly and explicitly opposed by both the White House and Downing Street, and the latter made direct moves to have him removed from his position, which was successful. This is completely documented – one day he was one of the world’s foremost biochemists, the next day he was fired thanks to a phonecall from the Prime Minister’s office.

GM crops will increase yields – this is debatable, to say the least. Many studies indicate the opposite, but when the foremost producer of GM food has developed a system that prevents plants from creating seeds, thus farmers have to buy more seeds from them every year (although, they’ve said that they won’t use this technology...) there has to be a doubt over whether in the long-term this technology will have a positive effect on prices. To say the least. Even if you accept for the sake of argument that GM foods can create higher yields – which I don’t, I believe the opposite is the case – then there is no point having high yields if less people can afford to buy them. This actually won’t matter to the likes of Monsanto because what they’re aiming for is a total monopoly over the food production system. It’s good for them if people can’t afford food because this will make it harder for small suppliers and producers to survive.

Yields need to be increased – considering that every single supermarket chucks away tonnes of food, and now moves are being made to criminalise homeless people that attempt to eat it, is this necessary?! There are very few starving people in Britain, and a relatively small number of homeless people. Every single one of them is there due to economic reasons – and also arguably to a lack of support for alcohol and drug dependency, which is also indirectly an economic issue – so this will have no impact on that whatsoever. Is there anyone that has ever accessed this forum that can’t gain access to food? I’m not aware of one. So what’s the problem? There is no problem. What will be threatened is the ability of people to exercise control over their own food buying decisions.

Yields need to be increased in the third world – to suggest that GM crops are the solution to hunger in Africa is patently ridiculous. None of Africa's starvation problems are crop-related; it's all related to economics. Poor countries have legions of farmers. They sell crops all over the world as cash crops to pay back debt that should never have been incurred in the first place, which will never be fully repaid, and which is being paid back to billionaires and trillionaires. It's got fuck all to do with crop yields, as anyone with half a brain will tell you.

I’m sure there are several other completely false premises at the heart of this issue. There are also all sorts of solutions to any problems that there might be with regard to food issues, all of which are economic – infrastructure, investment and debt-related. Even The Guardian said the following:

www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/21/gm-foods-editorial
But the bigger answers lie in asking bigger questions about the politics, as campaigners argued at the G8 earlier this week. As Europe proved in the 40 years after 1965, when agricultural production doubled, it's not only science that makes a difference. No amount of chemical fertilisers would have done so much if there had not also been agricultural education, investment in roads, storage and markets, and access to improved seed – as well as a political economy that prioritised food production. These are at the heart of a global sustainable agriculture. Genetic engineering is no substitute.

But even this is irrelevant with regard to Britain because no-one’s fucking hungry! You could actually solve all of the problems related to agriculture in Britain - which are all price-related - by simply subsidising or even incentivising small-scale local production of food instead of, oh, I don’t know, maybe banksters and arms contractors.
The true measure of a man is not his intelligence or how high he rises in this freak establishment. The true measure of a man is this: how quickly he can respond to the needs of others and how much of himself he can give - Philip K. Dick.
Last Edit: 21 Jun 2013 13:48 by wake_up_bomb.
You must register to post here.
The following user(s) said Thank You: Gilly
  • Page:
  • 1
Moderators: psketti, oioioi, batou
Time to create page: 0.166 seconds

Latest Members Blogs

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
Prev Next

What is going on when it comes to 9-11 I…

The EPA (environmental protection agency) and OSHA took air samples in the days following September 11th, they reported that they found no excessive levels of asbestos contrary to other findings....

Read more

9-11 Eleven Years Later

9-11 Eleven Years Later

With the anniversary of September 11th literally just around the corner, unanswered questions still remain for families who lost loved ones during the tragic event, as well as from families...

Read more

Strange Noises, Possible Link to Mass An…

Strange Noises, Possible Link to Mass Animal Deaths

In 2008 the U.S. Supreme Court agreed to review a series of lower court rulings that restrict the United States Navy's use of sonar in submarine detection training exercises off...

Read more

Annual Server Target

Whether its 50 cents or five dollars, your donations are appreciated and help keep this community site running so we can all continue to enjoy using it.
This target is to meet our server cost for one year, June 2020 - May 2021, in USD.
$ 340 - Target
( £ 250 GBP )
donation thermometer
donation thermometer
$ 192 - Raised
( £ 140 GBP )
donation thermometer
56%
Most Recent Donation:
$122 USD on 4th Jan 2021
Bitcoin Address: bc1q0kazqya0nurfxtunxv807vm0m8852nnrrk8mj8
 
Ethereum Address: 0xe69915c80dd75df19f438d556267e04f932f057d
 
More Info: Donation options for TZ

No one is obliged to donate, please only donate what you can afford. Even the smallest amount helps. Being an active member is a positive contribution. Thank You.

TradeZone Latest

Visitors

Today4890
Yesterday8316
Week33892
Month58827
Total1157251

Your IP Address: 216.73.217.145 Your Browser and OS: Unknown - Unknown Saturday, 29 August 2026 13:00

Who Is Online

Guests : 914 guests online Members : No members online
© 2012 – 2021 Sanctum Zone | All rights reserved. This website is a place for people to express and discuss their views on the news and world events. DISCLAIMER: Please Note: Views expressed and submitted by contributors are their own personal opinions and do not necessarily reflect the views, opinions and beliefs of the Sanctum Zone website and its founder(s) , administrators , moderators , and any other website maintenance technicians, personnel and volunteers. Articles and messages posted on this website and forum are solely the opinion of their authors.

Login or Register

LOG IN

Register

User Registration
or Cancel