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Feeding the world with grass? 29 Jun 2012 17:20 #1

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As far as i understand herbivores such as cows,horses rhinos eat allot of grass and vegetation yet have large amounts of muscle mass,i always understood that large amounts of protein are needed to create muscle mass?
So my question is do the herbivores get protein from amino acids in grass?
If so could scientists recreate the process of a herbivores stomach in a lab and get enough protein from grass to sustain human life?
Obviously the implications would be massive if the process was done on large scale in factories etc.

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Re: Feeding the world with grass? 29 Jun 2012 17:27 #2

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There is protein to be found in vegetables as well as meats. Maybe a different kind of protein, but I hazard a guess it works in a similar fashion.
Beans and Lentils

Beans and lentils are nutritious sources of protein. They are filling, tasty and are usually not too expensive. Some examples include soybeans, lentils, and peas. Soybeans have a high level of protein, 29g per one cup cooked, while peas have 9g of protein per one cup cooked. Add protein to your soups by throwing in some beans or lentils. You can also try putting some cooked beans or lentils into your salad, or your sandwich wrap. They add heartiness, flavor and nutrition.
Spinach and Broccoli

Surprisingly, spinach and broccoli have protein in them. According to Massgrown.org, spinach has 5g per one cup cooked while broccoli has 4g per one cup cooked. These are easy additions to salads, soups or stews. You can also sauté them with garlic and a little olive oil, or simply steam them for a protein-packed side dish.

www.livestrong.com/article/339875-list-o...-protein-vegetables/

There are others as well... will have to find the list again later.

Edit: May not be the same as grass...but it does not include eating meat to get the protein *shrugs*
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Re: Feeding the world with grass? 29 Jun 2012 20:49 #3

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Or we could just feed the world several times over with what we throw in the bin :)
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Re: Feeding the world with grass? 29 Jun 2012 21:09 #4

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humanspirit wrote:
As far as i understand herbivores such as cows,horses rhinos eat allot of grass and vegetation yet have large amounts of muscle mass,i always understood that large amounts of protein are needed to create muscle mass?
So my question is do the herbivores get protein from amino acids in grass?
If so could scientists recreate the process of a herbivores stomach in a lab and get enough protein from grass to sustain human life?
Obviously the implications would be massive if the process was done on large scale in factories etc.

Go easy on me it's my first post :P

Welcome human spirit, and good first post.

Current world politics will never allow an over abundance of a food source, assuming of course that your concept could be put into practice. If there was an overwhelming food supply for the worlds population, that would have many negative impacts on current food prices, takes away monopolies of products, and takes away peoples reliance on governments to provide, and places it into the laps of the ordinary folk. It would also stop leading nations of exercising that powerful tool of theft of a countries resources, called humanitarian intervention. the current paradigm is set up to take away your ability to survive without government intervention and control. The eu has policies in place that make it illegal, and prevent you from growing food on some of your land, when you subscribe to some of their schemes. In Ireland there is a reps scheme in place, that gives a farmer a payment, to set aside his land for zero production. And that will only get worse.
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Re: Feeding the world with grass? 30 Jun 2012 00:05 #5

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I guess if it were possible to get enough protein from grass for people to live off it would take a benevolent scientist or group of scientist to want to do such a thing and not make millions/billions from the patent?
As Griswald has pointed out the people who control food production would not allow this to happen.

Thanks StarsChil­dren,Are these types of food easy to grow,especially in Africa etc?

I thought of the idea of using grass as it is easy to grow,takes no work at all really but maybe it is just impossible to get enough protein for humans using scientific techniques although as we know many animals can,so it is a reality?
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Re: Feeding the world with grass? 30 Jun 2012 02:07 #6

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humanspirit wrote:
As far as i understand herbivores such as cows,horses rhinos eat allot of grass and vegetation yet have large amounts of muscle mass,i always understood that large amounts of protein are needed to create muscle mass?
So my question is do the herbivores get protein from amino acids in grass?
If so could scientists recreate the process of a herbivores stomach in a lab and get enough protein from grass to sustain human life?
Obviously the implications would be massive if the process was done on large scale in factories etc.

Go easy on me it's my first post :P

G'day Humanspirit.

Here's some information in relationship to gaining protein from plants ...

Welcome. My name is Steve Holt and this is my bodybuilding site. I was born and raised in Canada, and I have been a vegetarian for 25 years. I began to seriously train as a bodybuilder some eight years ago, when I was well into my forties. I completed my first series of bodybuilding competitions during the year 2000.

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Come on in and visit. Perhaps you too are vegetarian, and looking to learn more about building the body. Or perhaps you're interested to see how one can build a competitive physique without meat, without fish, and without anabolic steroids.

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Here's what you'll find within this website: Lots of information, including exercise and diet tips, sample menus, published and unpublished articles, links, photos, and feature articles on others who have led the way as vegetarian bodybuilders, like the great Bill Pearl and Roy Hilligen.

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Carl Lewis on Being Vegan

Excerpt from Carl Lewis’ introduction to Very Vegetarian,
by Jannequin Bennett

Can a world-class athlete get enough protein from a vegetarian diet to compete? I’ve found that a person does not need protein from meat to be a successful athlete. In fact, my best year of track competition was the first year I ate a vegan diet. Moreover, by continuing to eat a vegan diet, my weight is under control, I like the way I look. (I know that sounds vain, but all of us want to like the way we look.) I enjoy eating more, and I feel great. Here’s my story.

When I grew up in New Jersey, I always enjoyed eating vegetables and was influenced by my mother, who believed in the importance of a healthy diet even though we ate meat regularly because my father wanted it. At the University of Houston I ate meat and tried to control my weight the wrong way–by skipping meals. Frequently I would skip breakfast, eat a light lunch, and then have my fill at dinner–just before I went to bed. Not only is skipping meals the wrong way to diet, but the way I did it is the worst way because your body needs four hours to digest its food before you go to sleep.

In May of 1990 I decided to change the way I ate when I realized that controlling my weight by skipping meals was not good for me. Within the space of a few weeks, I met two men who changed my way of thinking and eating. The first was Jay Cordich, the Juice Man, whom I met at the Houston radio station where I worked in the early morning. He was there to talk about his juicer, which makes fresh juice from fruits and vegetables. He said that drinking at least sixteen ounces of freshly squeezed juice each day will increase a person’s energy, strengthen the immune system, and reduce the risk of disease. A few weeks later while doing publicity for a meet in Minneapolis, I met Dr. John McDougall, a medical doctor who teaches about the link between good nutrition and good health and was promoting his latest book. Dr. McDougall challenged me to make a commitment to eating a vegetarian diet and then to just do it.

I remember vividly making the decision in July of 1990 to become a vegan. I was competing in Europe and ate a meal of Spanish sausage on a Saturday and on the following Monday started eating vegan. The hardest thing for me was changing my eating habits from skipping meals to eating throughout the day–which is much healthier. I also missed salt and so substituted lemon juice for flavor.

In the spring of 1991 – eight months after beginning to eat vegan – I was feeling listless and thought I might need to add protein from meat to my diet. Dr. McDougall, however, explained that my listlessness was due to my needing more calories because I was training so many hours each day, not because I needed more animal-based protein. When I increased my calorie intake, I regained my energy. I was drinking 24 to 32 ounces of juice a day. I ate no dairy products. And I had my best year as an athlete ever!

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Keep in mind that eating vegan does require a commitment to being good to your body and to acting responsibly toward the world around you. Most of us are not aware of how much damage we do to our bodies and to our world by the way we eat. I challenge you to write down everything you eat and drink for one week. You will probably be amazed at the amount of snacks you eat, the different ways in which milk and cheese are a part of your diet, and–worst of all–how much fast food you consume.

Most snacks such as cookies, chips, candy, French fries, or soft drinks are highly processed foods that have lost many of their useful nutrients. Worse still, most of these foods are loaded with fat, salt, and chemicals. For instance, a 1.5-ounce bag of barbecue potato chips has the same number of calories as a medium baked potato, but 70 times the amount of fat and 20 times the amount of salt.

Cheese and other dairy products are loaded with artery-clogging saturated fat and cholesterol. Most cheeses get 70 to 80 percent of their calories from fat.

You have to be especially careful when you eat in fast food restaurants. As the consumption of unhealthy fast food has increased, so has obesity, which is now second only to smoking as a cause of death in the U.S. Eric Schlosser reported in Fast Food Nation that the rate of obesity among American children is twice as high today as it was twenty-five years ago. Moreover, it seems that wherever people eat unhealthy fast food, waistlines start to expand. Between 1984 and 1993, for instance, the number of fast food restaurants in Great Britain roughly doubled. And so did the obesity rate among adults. Overweight people were once a rarity in Japan. Fast food restaurants arrived there thirty years ago, and today one-third of all Japanese men in their thirties are overweight.

Your body is your temple. If you nourish it properly, it will be good to you and you will increase its longevity.

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... and there's a LOT more information available if you search for it.

By the way, there is enough food to feed everyone in the world ... it's simply that it isn't evenly distributed (as well as some areas being environmentally damaged to the extent that there is a great difficulty in growing their own food).
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Re: Feeding the world with grass? 30 Jun 2012 03:15 #7

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humanspirit wrote:
I guess if it were possible to get enough protein from grass for people to live off it would take a benevolent scientist or group of scientist to want to do such a thing and not make millions/billions from the patent?
As Griswald has pointed out the people who control food production would not allow this to happen.

Thanks StarsChil­dren,Are these types of food easy to grow,especially in Africa etc?

I thought of the idea of using grass as it is easy to grow,takes no work at all really but maybe it is just impossible to get enough protein for humans using scientific techniques although as we know many animals can,so it is a reality?

I am not familiar with Africa (as in having spent any long periods of time there), or growing there. Um...you could do a google search or bing search and see what is very easy to grow there.

I have issues growing some of those foods here in the US (Arizona), its dry, rocky, and the birds eat seeds, rabbits and other animals eat the greens once they pop up. But I suppose everyone has those problems at one time or another. Your just gonna have to either give it a try or do some research. There is a veggie growers thread on here, the people on it are very helpful and knowledgeable and could probably answer your questions about growing better than I can :)
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Re: Feeding the world with grass? 01 Jul 2012 20:49 #8

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I'm sure they could splice a few strands of DNA from this fella into a humam to eat grass, on exercise there is always plenty of herbage to eat in most places.

quantumpublications.com.au/sites/default...92254_7fdf520442.jpg


The message in 74 was and is pretty clear from this fella.

current.com/community/89917040_kissinger...control-genocide.htm

Codex alimentarious would eventually control the grass too.

As we move forward into the future less and less land is being used and engulfed by the giants using more of their chemical soup.

Need I say a twelve day rule could be evoked and in that time population control of those reliant on the system are treading on crisps.
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Re: Feeding the world with grass? 01 Jul 2012 20:53 #9

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I AM ALL I AM wrote:

By the way, there is enough food to feed everyone in the world ... it's simply that it isn't evenly distributed (as well as some areas being environmentally damaged to the extent that there is a great difficulty in growing their own food).[/b][/color]

Correct!
There's more than enough food to go around, most of it gets thrown away or rots.
Its not profitable to make proper use of resources ;)
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Have you ever come across these people and the story of climate change in their day and what happened, as they were moving out the Norse were colonising Greenland.



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humanspirit wrote:
I guess if it were possible to get enough protein from grass for people to live off it would take a benevolent scientist or group of scientist to want to do such a thing and not make millions/billions from the patent?
As Griswald has pointed out the people who control food production would not allow this to happen.

Thanks StarsChil­dren,Are these types of food easy to grow,especially in Africa etc?

I thought of the idea of using grass as it is easy to grow,takes no work at all really but maybe it is just impossible to get enough protein for humans using scientific techniques although as we know many animals can,so it is a reality?

I am not familiar with Africa (as in having spent any long periods of time there), or growing there. Um...you could do a google search or bing search and see what is very easy to grow there.

I have issues growing some of those foods here in the US (Arizona), its dry, rocky, and the birds eat seeds, rabbits and other animals eat the greens once they pop up. But I suppose everyone has those problems at one time or another. Your just gonna have to either give it a try or do some research. There is a veggie growers thread on here, the people on it are very helpful and knowledgeable and could probably answer your questions about growing better than I can :)
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Re: Feeding the world with grass? 01 Jul 2012 21:19 #11

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andyh wrote:
I AM ALL I AM wrote:

By the way, there is enough food to feed everyone in the world ... it's simply that it isn't evenly distributed (as well as some areas being environmentally damaged to the extent that there is a great difficulty in growing their own food).[/b][/color]

Correct!
There's more than enough food to go around, most of it gets thrown away or rots.
Its not profitable to make proper use of resources ;)

again profit rears its ugly head ,
how much dammage has that concept caused since it became popular
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mushy wrote:
andyh wrote:
I AM ALL I AM wrote:

By the way, there is enough food to feed everyone in the world ... it's simply that it isn't evenly distributed (as well as some areas being environmentally damaged to the extent that there is a great difficulty in growing their own food).[/b][/color]

Correct!
There's more than enough food to go around, most of it gets thrown away or rots.
Its not profitable to make proper use of resources ;)

again profit rears its ugly head ,
how much dammage has that concept caused since it became popular

IMHO the profit motive worked great until the age of computer networking around the 80's.
From that point onwards it has started to turn the economy on itself.
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