Hexhammer wrote:
I didn't mean anyone specifically, but the general feel to the thread felt negative and defeatist to me.

I disagree 100% with the statement from RealAmerican that it's all about rich people with money.

For me that's just the tip of iceberg and we need submarines to get down to the bottom of the weirdness. I've had numerous personal experiences that have convinced my that there is soooooooooo much more than a material world.

However, I don't feel the need to convince anyone of that and as others have written, I don't even bother much trying to convince anyone of anything anymore. Anyway, if my calculations are right, we'll all get to find out one way or another soon enough and I'll be delighted if I'm wrong about some things, but I expect the weirdness to increase in the near to mid term.

This is all so big that as individuals we can't change or stop it all, in my opinion, but we can each contribute something positive, regardless of how trivial it might seem. To return to the Lord of the Rings theme, Bilbo feeling pity for Gollum would be an example of a small act with great consequences. So the moral of the story is be nice to Gollum!

cantata wrote:
I don't think the conspiracy info made me feel low or depressed but it did make me more aware.

cantata that part in bold about (The "Rich" are only rich because we let them be) is very true.

And people don't need to youtube how the Rothschilds have 500 trillion dollars to realize this.

All the average human needs to do is look at the Forebs Top 100 list to really understand how messed up the world is.

www.forbes.com/billionaires/list/

^ Seriously how many kids have to starve to death every single day because 100 people need so much wealth?

Just that Forebs list alone puts things into perspective about why people suffer on this Earth...imo

The conspiracy world does not talk about this because many are intrigued by fantasy or the dark adventure as you said.

What I have noticed though peeps are free to disagree with me is that all the talk about 'truth' is a complete fallacy.

Basically what we are talking about is conjecture and other peoples beliefs. Some of those beliefs are backed up by 'study' in then sense that they have looked at others work and drawn conclusions - some of these beliefs are based on life experiences and some seem to just be way out there ideas with nothing to back them up other then a claim.

I could tell you for example all about my experience of pernicious anemia - you could read thousands of others experiences of the disease and all the literature available about it - you could read the mainstream and alternative - you could watch videos, talk to people and discuss it on forums till you have nothing more to say on the matter - but you will never know exactly what it would be like for you to have it unless you had it.

The same goes for everything we discuss - we will never 'know' the truth about anything - we can make a best guess - but that is the closest we will ever get. There is a type of arrogance in the conspiracy sphere that forgets that we can only make a 'best guess' and that often our best guesses are skewed by our inherent belief systems - there also appears to be a lack of those willing to have their best guess put under scrutiny. Alternative views are met with name calling, suspicion and often abuse.

Conspiracy will never be taken seriously by the masses unless it can be held up to scrutiny both the theories and the theorists.

Anthony65 wrote:
To say the thread felt negative and defeatist, then to say as individuals we can't change or stop it all is a contradiction...imo

But I don't want to argue so if you got a extra seat on the submarine that goes down to the bottom of the weirdness send me a ticket and we can take that ride and figure it out.

RealAmerican wrote:
Sorry, I typed something very important without double checking. Let's say we may not be able to stop or change certain things, but somehow, and for reasons I don't understand, maybe we can. That's what I meant with the Gollum / Bilbo analogy. Maybe we are the butterfly's wings. I gift orgonite for example, and I know I've made a positive difference. How big and how critical that difference will be I don't know, but maybe it will be something different. For example, I stopped to ask a man if he was okay one morning last week, and he grimaced then smiled and made it clear that he just horribly hung over. Maybe I made his morning and he did something positive and that will lead to a chain that will save the world. Unlikely, but every little act of kindness helps in my opinion. I feel that some things were really supposed to happen, and some of it so ugly that I don't understand why, but again, just like Frodo, we have to keep on going even when we don't understand.

Basically I feel if we live from the heart and follow our intuition we'll be on the right path.

Sharing weirdness isn't always easy, neither is explaining it to others, but when you've had certain experiences it can make you more open to those of others. There's plenty of room on the submarine, but you should really eat more, You're looking very undernourished for an American.

** Whoops ** I forgot to mention paradoxes!

"Life is full of fucking paradoxes and sometimes they do my head in, but other times they are sublime."

Anthony65 wrote:
Well said Anthony, I also look at life from a very similar perspective

Hey Anthony, I'm sorry you feel that way about this thread. I wish you wouldn't... Anyway, I have had my share of weird stuff, paranormal and spiritual stuff. There's more the things that are unseen than those which are clear as day. But atm I don't have a need to sig in deeper into this...

Luckily the weirdness of the world has more to offer than just negativity and fear and conspiracies. Blaah, I'm rambling.

Hexhammer wrote:
Hex: Don't worry, something good came out of whatever it was I was feeling and it all turned out very positive in the end, which is an excellent sign for the forum in my opinion. Misunderstandings are always going to occur on different levels, but the posters on this thread were all constructive without exception and left me wondering why I had felt the way I did to begin with. Hormones?

I know just what you mean with having your share of weirdness. The same applies to me and I'm more than happy to have an uneventful life whenever possible, but the memories of various weird events are there to remind me that there is more to life than meets the eye.

Basically I'm Don Quijote, tilting at windmills, gifting orgonite and generally trying to save the world or make sense of things before the end comes. As this world finally goes down in a curtain of flame, I'll nod sagely and say to myself... Ahhh! Now I get it!

Orgonite... I have one at my house roof, another one in garden and several buried in special locations in this town.

But that's completetly another topic. Carry on.

RealAmerican wrote:
Oh, I see.

I brought up my Great Grandmother because her family were Merchants and land owners, also the same family member/s were mayor of the City of Bristol and I think got involved in politics. Which meant..... with their vast wealth and influence, they had a lot of say in how the people of that City lived their lives...many, if not most, in poverty. A lot of the ruling class came from families like this, families that also try to hide this fact...who made their money from the slave labour of people with no choice but to do their bidding.
Imagine, if you could disown your own daughter, not caring if she starved ....what hope for anyone else.



Tyson Beckford...model/actor.....A very handsome man.

Lucky girl.

Hexhammer wrote:
There's something I would be interested in looking into hex. Seeing as you clearly have some knowledge, fancy starting a thread sometime?

psketti wrote:
Maybe I will, I'll just wait for right time for it first... Oh yea, those orgonites I have, I made them myself... And they actually have some effects. More later.

psketti wrote:
If hex doesn't start it, I will!

I've been gifting for I think 5 years now and much of the weirdness I referred to, but not all by a long shot, was related to my orgonite activities. It does work. I'm 100% convinced of that as I've witnessed it's effects literally hundreds of times by now. I mainly buy other people's stuff and I haven't made much of my own, but every single person who takes up gifting is a massive bonus. It's simple, effective, relatively inexpensive on a small scale, but more costly on a larger scale, which is why getting more people involved is so important. It takes the strain off the handfull of mega gifters.

I can offer some explanations as to how it works, but I find that people who are really going to try it will just get up and do it, while those who live in a perpetual state of prevarication will never get around to it anyway, but the bastards just demand more and more information. Only heroes and heroines need apply.

pheony wrote:
Typical college white girl, 22yr old w/ extra nice but , spring break mentality ,

Innocent groupie mindset, looking for a pro athlete in miami...

In summary she met tyson and her friend made me promise not to tell anyone back home from college about it

It's just funny that over 5 years later I see your avatar That was back in 2006 and now I feel old...

Easily the most weird random thing I have ever told anyone on a conspiracy theory forum...

Crazy as that might sound....

RealAmerican wrote:
A girl at my university said she did one of the ice rappers when they were on tour....shit i cant remember if it was ice-T or ice cube now...but i think it was ice-T.

Apparently they (the whole posse) had girls lining up to see them in the hotel.

was a while back also, in the nineties.

so if coco is reading she need not worry

I once slept with Richard E Grant.



Actually...I didn't so much sleep with him as have sex with him.

Actually...I didn't so much have sex with him as lay in a bed next to him.

Actually...I didn't so much lay in a bed with him as have dinner with him.

Actually...I didn't so much have dinner with him as walk passed him in Chiswick High Street.

It's true.

Ab Origine wrote:
About 15yrs ago I sat two rows down from him in the passport office....Amazing eyes.

pheony wrote:
This is also true. I could feel him undressing me with them...it was really only a matter of time before we had sex, but I was strong and just walked on by.

And Lesley...it is worth noting that much of this stuff may very well be 'designed' to do just that. Ofc, then you have to believe that your government is actually as bad as you never let yourself think about before, which I think is where the anxious bit comes in, for most.

Don't sweat it, lovely. Just keep doing the best you can for you and yours.

Ab Origine wrote:
Thanks my lovely

@ Anthony65, this thread wasn't meant to be negative, but looking back, I was in an odd mood when I started it Hormone related I think!