StarsChildren wrote:
You could use a mind map application to help you correlate the data and make the connections between the various events. I just posted information about freemind in this thread Interesting-website-for-writers.html if you want to try it out.

Can't comment on the sound issue, all I know is that flat black chopper I saw on the ground across the highway from Wal-Mart, three or so years ago, with blades rotating slowly. It didn't make a sound and no one seemed to notice in broad day light . I didn't ask any strangers present about it either - Don't know why aside from not wanting to seem looney and/or embarrassing myself.

I then noticed the craft had no symbols, numbers, any markings on the left side, which is what I saw.

That and the occasional dark craft in the night sky with a hideously bright 'search light' (?) hovering silently in the west (as I and my mother witnessed), then suddenly taking off quickly in a 'nouveau' helicopter-like fashion. Clearly man made and moving helicoper-ish ', cept no sound. Don't know how they do it.

Dad thinks no big deal; He says. "Sh*t's changed a lot (since I was in the Army)."

He, like other vets, are unfettered.

Dad =

Civilian Me =

Baby, I do not think you are hearing stuff. Who would believe my helicopter story? Not one damn person in that store parking lot made notice of what I saw, but they were either absorbed in things or military actives or dependents accustomed to such; They were tending to packing their purchases and getting trollies to shop - All was routine to them.

Who would believe a helicopter with a ridiculously bright search light could be relatively close by (a few miles away, I guess) in the sky perfectly silent and then take off very quickly like a brand new type of chopper?

Here's a very recent incidence of mass animal deaths.

Mystery deepens after thousands of fish and birds wash up dead on the Canada shore of Lake Erie

www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/sea...a-shore-of-lake-erie

The article talks about the possibility of dumped manure having caused it - surely it would be quick and easy to determine if that's the case?

Also, there's the suggestion of inversion. Can anyone explain why that would kill birds?

They're also looking at blue-green algae being the cause. Again - if it was, wouldn't it be quick & easy to detect?

So, I've had a look whether there have been strange noises in the area. I didn't find anything conclusive that matches location and dates, but there have been these odd sounds reported throughout the year in Canada generally.

There are some clips recorded here...

www.reality-choice.org/159/strange-sounds-all-around-the-world

Gilly wrote:
I have not read the linked article, but I wonder just how new this trend is. For some years I've read about sea animals washing ashore all over the globe en masse, but is this attention just better and more readily available reporting thanks to the internet? It's like all the many earthquakes: The internet would lead one to think it is a new, increasing and alarming phenomena, but upon research, one finds that earthquakes, by strict definition, have been happening all over the place forever with frequency. They just don't report it on the radio or television.

It's not new, but I do think it's increased in recent years. I saw someone try to argue the point that you've just suggested once, but they ran out of steam, because you can access records of such things from pre-internet times via the internet, but there few of them, relatively speaking. Although it's feasible that all incidents weren't recorded vigilantly previously perhaps.

I'm not sure regarding volcanoes & earthquakes though, because I've never tried to research it.

Frog wrote:
thanks ill give that a try if i ever get back to trying to connect this stuff

@coco, thanks for sharing
@gilly, thanks for the link

StarsChildren wrote:
I should also have mentioned Mind42 which is an online mind mapping system which allows you to edit the map directly from your browser without the need for any extensions. One of the advantages of using Mind42 is that it has a collaboration mode which means the creator of the map can invite other users to contribute to the map. Using the collaboration mode allows a team of people to pool their research and share the work load etc. The map can also be published and shared on line in a read only form either as an embedded interactive graphic or hyperlink to the graphic. Mind42 is free to use. Instructions available here.

I guess we could setup a Sanctum Zone account to manage the maps if people are interested. Members collaborating in a project need to have a Mind42 user account, a User Name, Password and Email Address is all that's required to create an account. You can also create your own maps with your account and provide access to other members if you would like to share the editing tasks. You can also give people read only access to your maps which will help you get feedback as your research develops, without allowing people rights to make changes to your content.

according to this map, this everything that had a location that i could add, there are alot more sounds than deaths occuring (unless the deaths arent being reported)
google map
and using frogs internet thing i connected those i thought could be connected and fanned 'em out
mindmap

Gilly wrote:
here is another one relating to that: link
in that one they're talking about blaming oxygen levels...
and later in the article it says:and the one in texas is found here

It's disturbing.

I notice a lot of these explanations are speculative. Unless it's just me being dozy and not following things up properly, you see suggested reasons, and comments about them having to conduct tests to confirm or otherwise, but then you don't see the conclusions of any such test results.

Feel free to correct me on that if you've observed differently.

StarsChildren wrote:
Nice job getting stuck into the mind map StarsChildren! There is an annoying limitation with that Mind42...there isn't a way to link nodes to other nodes which would make it mush easier to see where things interconnect. I haven't tried many of the online mind mapping tools and the ones I have looked at don't seem to have that option either. Freemind allows node to node links which is a powerful function when you're trying to find connections, but it needs to be run locally on your machine.

On the map you have created you could add links to the source information, which would help you keep track of articles related to events, this would centralise your data and improve work flow. Adding the source links would also help other people following your research, over time they may even provide more data or find new connections.

You could also add another branch linking to the Google map that provides the global data map of each event. That branch could have nodes which link to any other websites or blogs you come across while investigating this topic, adding a link to this thread would also be useful. It may also be worth having a branch for HAARP with nodes for each HAARP site leading to additional nodes for HAARP activity.

We can also create an article for you on the Sanctum Zone website, where we can embed your map and any other information you would like to add. Visitors can then use the comments system to provide feedback on your work or add leads to new data etc. That way you can combine this thread with the article and your mind map. You can also use your MyZone Page to present your research if you need a hand with creating and formatting your MyZone Page let me know and I will take a look at it for you. I recently applied an update to the application used for the MyZone Pages which has added more features. It's also possible to have collaborative MyZone Pages in the new version. Although I haven't investigated that aspect as yet. I should be able to embed your mind map into your MyZone page if you can provide me with the embedding code snippet which Mind42 generates.

These are only suggestions if you would like to expand on the idea and maybe generate some collaborative research.

EDIT: I should have added that we can keep the access to the article and your MyZone page limited to members only if you don't want it indexed by search engines and open to public view.

I also forgot to say that we can also embed the google map in to an article or MyZone page using this code snippet...
There is a caveat with when iFrames are inserted into an article or MyZone page...only admins have rights to add iFrame data which means the data will be lost if you edit the content yourself. iFrame inclusions are not allowed generally for security reasons.

You can also link to individual pins if you use the send option then copy the link generated in the email form.

frog overload, frog overload !
oh wait...there's no frogs flying at me...
information overload

sorry...i'm actually using this, at the moment, just to keep me from screaming at someone. if and when i take any great leap into this seriously i'll probably follow most of your ideas there and add in some of my own.

StarsChildren wrote:
Humm I thought it may end up being too much information. It wasn't really intended to be aimed directly at you, it's intended as more general information for anyone here who has a research project, and would like to deliver it to a wider audience and/or collaborate without the need for their own website.

You have actually done the hard part by making a start. Now you can just add your new finds to your map as you go along and it will take care of itself and hopefully help you keep track of the information. Who knows you may have inspired someone else to have a go which would be great. I'm impressed that you have tried it out and shared the information. V

to go with the lake erie deaths... there was a noise heard weeks back there... august 13th, which would make for quite a time span between the noise and the mass wash up, which could mean i have to figure a larger time frame for the noise and the deaths occurring, or it just took a while for the fish to wash up

can anyone clear up the navy sonar sound? just get the blast from that video? i have converted the noise from above ground into an mp3 clip so that it can be played online, but when i try to do the sonar sound it sounds like paper being shuffled around n cleaning up noise removal so i get just the sound of something is not my area

nevermind...apparently i just needed to record it the right way