People's right to live within a community of other people with the same language, background, culture as themselves?

You can deny it all you like, but that's what many people want. In all countries.

I look at who points the finger where,
usually a given.

You want the right to be British, do tell exactly what this entails and exactly how your rights to be British are being infringed.

Or.

STFU.

oioioi wrote:
I said, many people want the right to be British, and I already told you what that entails to them.

Again for ya..

I'd say that uncontrolled Mass Immigration has infringed upon that right, wouldn't you?

& just because you don't believe in that, does that give you the right to impose your belief/s on others? Does it give politicians/the EU the right to do so?

No it doesn't.

diamondgeezer wrote:
I've always stated immigration is a symptom of capitalism, it's aim is to pitch us(the workers) against each other. You avoided that trap like a trooper.

You don't understand some of your neighbours....and?

1 in 10 British people live abroad.
Should that be allowed?

I'd like the 'right' (freedom) to live wherever I wanted in the world. (within reason)
Am I afforded that freedom? No.
Why not?
Interfering control freaks.
Is it their world or their land?
No.
So what gives them the right to decide on my behalf?
Might.
Is might right?

oioioi wrote:
How about dropping the ''you''?

I've already said, it doesn't bother me personally. But it does bother others....many others.

& you didn't answer my question, does the fact you disagree give you (or anyone else) the right to impose your beliefs of what an 'ideal society' should be upon them?

diamondgeezer wrote:
What gives them the right to decide what an 'ideal society' is and impose it upon others who don't share their view?

diamondgeezer wrote:
And what would be your 'ideal' society?

And who is opposing your ideal of society?

oioioi wrote:
How many times...we're not discussing me!

Stop trying to personalise the debate....

diamondgeezer wrote:
I'll stop that immediately.

What beliefs are you having imposed on you?

Back on thread topic....what are being imposed on 'me' (and everyone else) are the Mass Immigration open border policies of the EU.

And what is being discussed are the reasons behind those policies and both the short and long term economic & social consequences of those policies.

So, discuss.

diamondgeezer wrote:
How has it impacted upon you?

oioioi wrote:
Well as was pointed out earlier in the thread, its already having a very noticeably detrimental effect on the job market.

That has personally impacted upon me. Employers now expect more for less, they can pick and choose.

Expectation to work 12 hr shifts over weekends and nights for little more than the minimum wage has now become commonplace for example....refuse to do it, hey they'll easily find an eastern european who will.

diamondgeezer wrote:
I'm fed up with immigrants.
They've taken all the shit jobs I really wanted. & they've got the cheek to open up their own businesses & only employ other immigrants.
They've even got the cheek to live next door. Normally I'd get on with my neighbours as well.
The bus I regularly get is overcrowded with immigrants listening to bleedin' shite r'n'b on crap headphones, when really I'd like to see it full of indigenous British people on their way to the slavestone with ghetto blasters listening to Russell Watson.
The amount of crap that gets put through my door in the way of immigrant take-away leaflets must be destroying the planet on its own, as well as wiping out good locations for more British chippies.
As for the centre of Manchester, there are now even immigrant buskers with new fangled foreign instruments who've managed to frighten away all the skiffle bands that everybody loved.
Nothing is as good as it used to be.... when I was young & gave less of a fuck about anything.

Space Bandit wrote:
I would like that right also.

But its a complicated issue.

If we all could just move anywhere, no doubt we would see populations grow in some places, possibly to unsustainable or problematic levels (in regards to resources and infastructure) , and dwindle in others. And i say that in regards to the current system.

The whole 'system' would have to be overhauled so that freedom of movement did not result in huge sudden changes in population densities.

And 'they' dont want to change their current system, the current system creates inequality, (and war zones) , and they know this, and that is why they know they must control borders.

Space Bandit wrote:
i dont think there are many, if any, like that here, including DG, who see things this way.

rather we know who and what is creating inequality in certain parts of the world. We also know how much money and power these people have at their disposal, for example they can turn whole countries upside down and inside out to invade them and hand trillions to the likes of KBR and raytheon, and leave hussein owned ferrari f40's out in the desert sun for a few years to fall apart just to get propaganda camera shots, (i saw a thread about this somewhere else) yet some people have no clean drinking water still.

diamondgeezer wrote:

Similar thing is happening in Australia in certain circumstances, for example, teams of chinese workers (tradesman and labourers) are sponsored to come and work in the country by businesses, and they can easily undercut local tradesmen, and are. Because they send the money home, (and that amount of money goes a long way there) and will temporarily stay in shared accomodation, sometimes many many people in the one house, the australian worker can find himself not being able to compete.

if the australian worker drops his rates to those levels, they just cant make ends meet when they have local mortgages or rent to pay and a family to raise. And the house prices in Australia are some of the highest, if not the highest, in the world. I read a recent article which stated that houses in Sydney for example cost more than in New York. Its not a problem if you are willing to rent with 5-10 other dudes as some of the sponsored labour does. And this is not a stereotype, its fact, and real estate agents in the larger cites will confirm this.

The large corporations that are currently taking over all the irrigated food production in Australia and shaking out all the small operators (with help from the politicians) , are also running the labour side of their operations using a large proportion of Pacific Islander and asian labour.

As Jimmy Goldsmith said in his 'prophetic interview' that i have posted a while back in the economics section, 'these people want nothing, work for nothing' (his words, probably somewhat paraphrased by me as i havent watched it in a while) ... so some things are going to have to change, and they will change, just like Lady Annabels husband said it would in that interview... and yes the labour market is definately one of those things.

I feel as though these are factual observations by myself, and with all that being said, my personal view will always be that anyone who 'blames the immigrant' is at the very best looking at a rather complex global economic paradigm in a simplistic manner.

novum wrote: Goldsmith, like his friends Lord Lucan and John Aspinall, believed Britain had been victim of a socialist conspiracy and that communists had infiltrated the Labour party and the media.

Kinda like an early billionaire version of Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh.

Not detracting from your point. Just saying.

He was a bit of a loon.

diamondgeezer wrote:
Immigrants aren't doing that though.
I thought you would know who was and from where this originated.