I'll get the popcorn eh?

Mike wrote:
You started it with a thread topic you seem to know nothing about outside of wikipedia.

I can't say as I approve of UKIP all that much but I'll stop short of calling them a nazi party ffs lol. Even I can't manage to type that much horseshit.
Better still I can't pretend to be a marxist for months, change my forum nick and then come back as some labour/tory party establishment shill
You'll be telling us we ought to vote for bankers next and everything they have done has been all nice and rosy for everyone and they're not such nasty guys after all.

Mike wrote:
That's the myth they portrayed.

"There exists irrefutable documentary evidence of a further role of international bankers and industrialists in the financing of the Nazi Party and the Volkspartie for the March 1933 German election. A total of three million Reichmarks was subscribed by prominent firms and businessmen, suitably "washed" through an account at the Delbruck Schickler Bank, and then passed into the hands of Rudolf Hess for use by Hitler and the NSDAP. This transfer of funds was followed by the Reichstag fire, abrogation of constitutional rights, and consolidation of Nazi power. Access to the Reichstag by the arsonists was obtained through a tunnel from a house where Putzi Hanfstaengel was staying; the Reichstag fire itself was used by Hitler as a pretext to abolish constitutional rights. In brief, within a few weeks of the major funding of Hitler there was a linked sequence of major events: the financial contribution from prominent bankers and industrialists to the 1933 election, burning of the Reichstag, abrogation of constitutional rights, and subsequent seizure of power by the Nazi Party."

"After Hitler had spoken, Krupp von Bohlen expressed the support of the assembled industrialists and bankers in the concrete form of a three-million-mark political fund. It turned out to be more than enough to acquire power, because 600,000 marks remained unexpended after the election."

www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/wal...y%20Hitler%20Backers

andyh wrote: Andyh, seriously I'm only asking because I'll be nicer and more patient if you explain that you're autistic?
As it stands my patience wears thin in regards your constant misunderstanding, misrepresentation and misinterpreting of my posts.

Do you understand the difference in me saying UKIP is a better vote for a British Nationalist than the BNP, ie a more respectable, more realistic mass party, therefore "represents National Socialist ideals more effectively" and me saying "UKIP iz the NAzis"?

The main irritation I have with you is you've never actually asked or tried to understand my personal opinions, you are far more content to arrogantly assume you've "worked me out", it's quite obvious and a tad infantile, disrespectful.

TBH it will drive me away again because we never even begin talking about subjects, you just weigh in with your nonsense and threads turn into a circle jerk.

Mike wrote: YOUR posts? They're mostly someone elses quoted crap.
They're a 'tactical' vote for the nazi crowd to concentrate on solely immigrants.
National Socialism though? No. UKIP have little in common beyond the immigration stuff.
The BNP make direct reference to the typical fascist economic setup. UKIP do not, they are just tories who are pissed off that the tory party has not done enough to leave the EU and curb immigration. Every other policy they have is pretty much standard thatcherite stuff.
You mean like quoting other people only to later on in the thread decide what you meant by it and having no opinion of your own to go on to begin with and then calling me autistic when I rightly give it the criticism it deserves?

By nonesense you mean that inconvenient stuff like how money as debt is a problem and you don't even know that and you have the gall to call me autistic right?

What do you actually want? A green woolen overcoat, thick moustache and a fit bird either side with an AK47? Public executions? Sending people the bill for the bullets perhaps?
How about gulags? Perhaps some mass cullings of millions of people?
How about shitloads of nuclear weapons?

Or do you approve of direct democracy, a decent world to live in for everyone and peace on Earth?

If its the latter then you can approve of Beppe Grillo and get it out of your system

Andyh why do you think promissory notes are a problem?

humanspirit wrote:
Good post I agree with these historical facts regarding the Industrialist and Financial backing international Fascism received in the 20th century.. It's very interesting the people who swarmed around the Nazi's, Occultists, Knights of Malta, Pope's, British Aristocrats, Steel magnates, Industrialists etc, I'm inclined to believe Hitler would have been happy to take money off anyone, like any politician, to further his aims.

Mike wrote:
OK here it is again.

If the money is in control of a private unaccountable corporation who can print as much as they fucking well like and can even charge interest on it (and they are the sole source of this intial money) and then you have dozens of other private corporations who can print out 10 times as much on the back of it when its deposited with them out of thin air and also charge interest on it...do you not see a teensy weensy ickle problem developing here?


Would it not be impossible for that situation to arise if the money itself had physical value and could not be printed out of thin air and said corporations actually had to earn their profit with hard work just like everyone else?

Of course all this had to have happened and been maintained ages ago because now we're heading for money that doesn't even have to be bloody printed and they can even manage to track where it goes.

I am not a slave, personally if I do work I want damn well paying for it and I don't want to be paid in tokens that dwindle in value in the space of weeks leaving me with sod all purchasing power when it comes time to pay the bills because the currency is being devalued to make digits on the fucking wanker banker computer screens balance to match their fractional reserve that they ought to have kept to in the first place but nooooo despite breaking the rules and going way OTT they get bailed out to the tune of trillions with yet more money printed oout of thin air to be paid back with interest to go to pay the wanker bankers in the high st so they can pay back the guys they 'over leveraged' with so that they can in turn pay back the central banks charging interest on YET MORE money they printed out of thin fucking air to begin with...
/takes deep breath...

This is why promissory notes don't cut the biscuit.
It works for a while and it goes hyper bad the faster we trade it and ofc today we have global comms and computers.

The govts solution is austerity...yet the economy has to expand to match the central banks interest rate
The govt has no money of its own they have OUR money that they steal from us to pay back the central bankers the money they borrowed from them, which they used to bail out the fucking banks...THIS IS EPIC MADNESS!!!

Now you can replace money with gold or silver but at this point in the game there is an elite with billions or rather trillions in wealth and they'll just exchange it...and we're still fucked.

This is literally the endgame and you're watching it happen.

It's a nice story andyh, not true or factual though imo.

Mike wrote:
IYO yes.
Unfortunately IYO conflicts with the bank of englands own info, wikipedia and shitloads of other info if you'd care to take a look.

Perhaps the money originated somewhere other than the central banks and little green men from mars make regular visits to the govt to give us money.

I don't get why you're being sarcastic?

Mike wrote:
Because of the weight of evidence from the establishment which backs it all up

The central banks do indeed print money and charge for it. They lend to govt and high st banks.

High st banks loan to us.

No jew stuff or CT explanation necessary. Sorry to disappoint you.

Mike wrote:
Without the bankers and industrialists Hitler would have got no where,he would have just been a loud mouthed racists gobbing off in the bars and streets corners of Germany.

Surely Hitler was a conduit for Bankers,Industrialists,Pope's,Knight's of Malta,British Aristocrats who if Hitler had not come along would have chosen another individual to sponsor as their charismatic face to the public?

The reason why small right wing racist groups don't do that well in the political system in Europe at the moment is the that the Bankers,Industrialists,Pope's,Knight's of Malta,British Aristocrats have no need for them as all the other major parties do what these groups tell them to do.

humanspirit wrote: I disagree I think such people found Hitler and the NAZI party with it's potential for 100% employment as a very viable investment, also there were the methods as Chancellor Hitler used to escape the depression, arms manufacture, infrastructure development and huge public works like the autobahn, any investor or industrialist worth his salt wanted a piece of the huge wealth Hitler was trying to create for the Reich.

IMO Hitler used the bankers etc, as much as the bankers used him, there was a mutually beneficial arrangement there, as you probably know from History some of these tycoons supported him more than others some betrayed him, Hitler was not a conduit for the bankers, etc he was a conduit for the "Volk" under the propaganda spell of Goebbels, he channelled popular public sentiment and scapegoated the Jews for his countries problems, many many thousands of average duped citizens would have followed him regardless of the Pilgrim's Society or SMOM backing, imo, which wasn't necessarily complete backing imo, more mutual arrangements.

National Champagne Socialism

Didn't want to have a massive quote of boxes going on
ME
"Without the bankers and industrialists Hitler would have got no where,he would have just been a loud mouthed racists gobbing off in the bars and streets corners of Germany.

Surely Hitler was a conduit for Bankers,Industrialists,Pope's,Knight's of Malta,British Aristocrats who if Hitler had not come along would have chosen another individual to sponsor as their charismatic face to the public?

The reason why small right wing racist groups don't do that well in the political system in Europe at the moment is the that the Bankers,Industrialists,Pope's,Knight's of Malta,British Aristocrats have no need for them as all the other major parties do what these groups tell them to do."

MIKE
"I disagree I think such people found Hitler and the NAZI party with it's potential for 100% employment as a very viable investment, also there were the methods as Chancellor Hitler used to escape the depression, arms manufacture, infrastructure development and huge public works like the autobahn, any investor or industrialist worth his salt wanted a piece of the huge wealth Hitler was trying to create for the Reich.

IMO Hitler used the bankers etc, as much as the bankers used him, there was a mutually beneficial arrangement there, as you probably know from History some of these tycoons supported him more than others some betrayed him, Hitler was not a conduit for the bankers, etc he was a conduit for the "Volk" under the propaganda spell of Goebbels, he channelled popular public sentiment and scapegoated the Jews for his countries problems, many many thousands of average duped citizens would have followed him regardless of the Pilgrim's Society or SMOM backing, imo, which wasn't necessarily complete backing imo, more mutual arrangements."

ME
Hitler had his five minutes of fame,he's dead and buried and so is the Nazi party.

The ones still around are the Bankers,Industrialists,Pope's,Knight's of Malta,British Aristocrats.

They just move on and look for other big gob muppet's to use,with modern technology and mass media they have a slightly different approach to things now.

Is there really any difference between the BNP,EDL,UAF,SWP,NEW LABOUR,TORY,LIB DEMS ETC

foonclown wrote:
They're all authoritarian and they all haven't a clue.

andyh wrote: feel free to post this at any time in the thread about Promissory notes