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TOPIC: Is it OK to lie to your kids about Santa?

Is it OK to lie to your kids about Santa? 21 Dec 2013 13:35 #121

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Reptired wrote:
Exactly, it's a serious subject, so unless you have something rational to say or some empirical evidence to present you might want to save those type of comments.
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Erm...noooop. Labeling people as child abusers for stuff that's a million miles away from child abuse doesn't warrant calling a serious subject. If we were taking you seriously, you'd have been seriously verbally thumped by now.
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Reptired wrote:
feather wrote:
I think you're lying about thinking I'm lying.
but I might just be be taking the Michael. Who knows eh?. :dunno:
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Exactly, it's a serious subject, so unless you have something rational to say or some empirical evidence to present you might want to save those type of comments.
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angelchemuel wrote:
Reptired wrote:
angelchemuel wrote:
Reptired wrote:
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you really need to go play with a creche full of kids and learn to see the world through their eyes.....you should maybe take reptired with you too. You'll find it very enlightening.
Out of the mouths of babes an' all that.

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Would you care to enlighten us?
I don't think handing a child over to some other people at such a young age is a good is a for the child by the way, not a place to meet healthy children.

Yes I will enlighten you.....the creche analogy was to have you and IAAwhatevA overdosed on young children.
But having had my second brew, I've had a second thought...you two would probably damage and mentally scar them for the rest of their lives!

As you have asked me a question and I have answered it....allow me to ask you and IAAwhatevA one, and show me the same respect and answer it please......
Do you have children?
I am just curious and am not going to pass any comment whatsoever on whether your answer is a yay or a nay..I promise.
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I've already stated I don't have children, it is completely irrelevant, it's like saying if someone is single they shouldn't comment on the morality of rape.
Morality and Reason are absolute and not pliable to the whims of an individual situation.

WTF!!!! Rape is rape! And where the hell is there any 'morality' to rape??? WTF has being single or married, male of female got to do with it??????? I think you've had one too many egg nogs....and need to sit on the naughty step...no I take that back....you are one very sick individual and need to be kept miles and miles away from kids!

Rape is Morally wrong, and Irrational, this is an absolute and can be proven, that's my point.
Please read my comments again, you misunderstand the point I was trying to make.
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Is it OK to lie to your kids about Santa? 21 Dec 2013 13:39 #124

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Here's some references should anyone want to investigate the empirical evidence for the effects of child abuse.
These references were linked up on page 4 with a video series should anyone be interested in taking in the information in that format.

www.acestudy.org/

www.cavalcadeproductions.com/ace-study.html

www.neuropsychiatryreviews.com/07may/violence.html

psychohistory.com/originsofwar/03_psychology_neurobiology.html

www.motherinlawsunite.com/index.php?topic=46.0

www.adoptionarticlesdirectory.com/Articl...nal-relationships/42

www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/focus/earlybrain/earlybraina.cfm

These images are from studies conducted by a team of researchers from the Child Trauma Academy (www.ChildTrauma.org) led by Bruce D. Perry, M.D., Ph.D.

primal-page.com/childabu.htm

www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?i...ancy-abuse-mortality

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091006115140.htm

freedomainradio.com/BOARD/forums/t/10392.aspx

www.religioustolerance.org/spankin4.htm#neg

www.religioustolerance.org/spankin29.htm

www.religioustolerance.org/spankin28.htm

www.annafoundation.org/stwh.html

www.psychiatrictimes.com/display/article/10168/1285720

www.shockmd.com/2009/05/13/neuroscience-of-exercise/

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/04/060401104819.htm

For Initial Treatment Of Moderate To Severe Major Depression, Cognitive Therapy And Medication May Be Equally Effective
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/04/050420092142.htm

www.cancerconsultants.com/17196/

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/01/070102092229.htm

obesity:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12119573
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17572308?ord...les&logdbfrom=pubmed

Alcohol:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16549308?ord...les&logdbfrom=pubmed

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11754674?ord...les&logdbfrom=pubmed

Leading causes of death:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9635069?ordi...les&logdbfrom=pubmed


The impact of maternal childhood abuse on maternal and infant HPA axis function in the postpartum period.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19931984?ito...DocSum&ordinalpos=18

drug abuse:
pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/reprint/111/3/564

stress:
www.the-scientist.com/blog/display/56139/

www.thefreelibrary.com/Adverse+childhood...haviors.-a0202360686
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Is it OK to lie to your kids about Santa? 21 Dec 2013 13:40 #125

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It's one school of thought, Abs, but another states the main ingredient of ritual is intent.
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Is it OK to lie to your kids about Santa? 21 Dec 2013 13:42 #126

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Reptired wrote:
Here's some references should anyone want to investigate the empirical evidence for the effects of child abuse.
These references were linked up on page 4 with a video series should anyone be interested in taking in the information in that format.

www.acestudy.org/

www.cavalcadeproductions.com/ace-study.html

www.neuropsychiatryreviews.com/07may/violence.html

psychohistory.com/originsofwar/03_psychology_neurobiology.html

www.motherinlawsunite.com/index.php?topic=46.0

www.adoptionarticlesdirectory.com/Articl...nal-relationships/42

www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/focus/earlybrain/earlybraina.cfm

These images are from studies conducted by a team of researchers from the Child Trauma Academy (www.ChildTrauma.org) led by Bruce D. Perry, M.D., Ph.D.

primal-page.com/childabu.htm

www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?i...ancy-abuse-mortality

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091006115140.htm

freedomainradio.com/BOARD/forums/t/10392.aspx

www.religioustolerance.org/spankin4.htm#neg

www.religioustolerance.org/spankin29.htm

www.religioustolerance.org/spankin28.htm

www.annafoundation.org/stwh.html

www.psychiatrictimes.com/display/article/10168/1285720

www.shockmd.com/2009/05/13/neuroscience-of-exercise/

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/04/060401104819.htm

For Initial Treatment Of Moderate To Severe Major Depression, Cognitive Therapy And Medication May Be Equally Effective
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/04/050420092142.htm

www.cancerconsultants.com/17196/

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/01/070102092229.htm

obesity:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12119573
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17572308?ord...les&logdbfrom=pubmed

Alcohol:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16549308?ord...les&logdbfrom=pubmed

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11754674?ord...les&logdbfrom=pubmed

Leading causes of death:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9635069?ordi...les&logdbfrom=pubmed


The impact of maternal childhood abuse on maternal and infant HPA axis function in the postpartum period.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19931984?ito...DocSum&ordinalpos=18

drug abuse:
pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/reprint/111/3/564

stress:
www.the-scientist.com/blog/display/56139/

www.thefreelibrary.com/Adverse+childhood...haviors.-a0202360686

Who do you think's going to spend time reading any of that shit if it's led you to draw the nonsensical conclusions you've presented here? :roll:
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Is it OK to lie to your kids about Santa? 21 Dec 2013 13:42 #127

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Gilly wrote:
It's one school of thought, Abs, but another states the main ingredient of ritual is intent.

Granted, but of whom?

Interesting stuff, nonetheless.
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Ab Origine wrote:
Gilly wrote:
It's one school of thought, Abs, but another states the main ingredient of ritual is intent.

Granted, but of whom?

Interesting stuff, nonetheless.

Those partaking. Agree, it's interesting. Maybe your energies can be 'harvested' and projected towards another's aim, but I think it can't if you're aware of your own purposes and intentions. (That's only my view ofc).
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Gilly wrote:
Reptired wrote:
Here's some references should anyone want to investigate the empirical evidence for the effects of child abuse.
These references were linked up on page 4 with a video series should anyone be interested in taking in the information in that format.

www.acestudy.org/

www.cavalcadeproductions.com/ace-study.html

www.neuropsychiatryreviews.com/07may/violence.html

psychohistory.com/originsofwar/03_psychology_neurobiology.html

www.motherinlawsunite.com/index.php?topic=46.0

www.adoptionarticlesdirectory.com/Articl...nal-relationships/42

www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/focus/earlybrain/earlybraina.cfm

These images are from studies conducted by a team of researchers from the Child Trauma Academy (www.ChildTrauma.org) led by Bruce D. Perry, M.D., Ph.D.

primal-page.com/childabu.htm

www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?i...ancy-abuse-mortality

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091006115140.htm

freedomainradio.com/BOARD/forums/t/10392.aspx

www.religioustolerance.org/spankin4.htm#neg

www.religioustolerance.org/spankin29.htm

www.religioustolerance.org/spankin28.htm

www.annafoundation.org/stwh.html

www.psychiatrictimes.com/display/article/10168/1285720

www.shockmd.com/2009/05/13/neuroscience-of-exercise/

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/04/060401104819.htm

For Initial Treatment Of Moderate To Severe Major Depression, Cognitive Therapy And Medication May Be Equally Effective
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/04/050420092142.htm

www.cancerconsultants.com/17196/

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/01/070102092229.htm

obesity:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12119573
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17572308?ord...les&logdbfrom=pubmed

Alcohol:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16549308?ord...les&logdbfrom=pubmed

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11754674?ord...les&logdbfrom=pubmed

Leading causes of death:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9635069?ordi...les&logdbfrom=pubmed


The impact of maternal childhood abuse on maternal and infant HPA axis function in the postpartum period.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19931984?ito...DocSum&ordinalpos=18

drug abuse:
pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/reprint/111/3/564

stress:
www.the-scientist.com/blog/display/56139/

www.thefreelibrary.com/Adverse+childhood...haviors.-a0202360686

Who do you think's going to spend time reading any of that shit if it's led you to draw the conclusions you've presented here? :roll:

Perhaps somebody reading this may wish to assess the information and use critical thinking skills to come to the truth, I realise that most people simply want to reinforce their preferences, especially if it implicates them in something they would rather not address, the information certainly was not aimed at you personally as you haven't shown any interest in challenging your preferences or thinking about the subject in a rational manner.
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Is it OK to lie to your kids about Santa? 21 Dec 2013 13:49 #130

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Some of us read books about stuff and form all kinds of silly ideas, while others live it using their love and native wit to navigate.

Please could you show me an example of your rational, critical thinking, as I must have missed it.
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Reptired wrote:
Here's some references should anyone want to investigate the empirical evidence for the effects of child abuse.
These references were linked up on page 4 with a video series should anyone be interested in taking in the information in that format.

www.acestudy.org/

www.cavalcadeproductions.com/ace-study.html

www.neuropsychiatryreviews.com/07may/violence.html

psychohistory.com/originsofwar/03_psychology_neurobiology.html

www.motherinlawsunite.com/index.php?topic=46.0

www.adoptionarticlesdirectory.com/Articl...nal-relationships/42

www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/focus/earlybrain/earlybraina.cfm

These images are from studies conducted by a team of researchers from the Child Trauma Academy (www.ChildTrauma.org) led by Bruce D. Perry, M.D., Ph.D.

primal-page.com/childabu.htm

www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?i...ancy-abuse-mortality

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091006115140.htm

freedomainradio.com/BOARD/forums/t/10392.aspx

www.religioustolerance.org/spankin4.htm#neg

www.religioustolerance.org/spankin29.htm

www.religioustolerance.org/spankin28.htm

www.annafoundation.org/stwh.html

www.psychiatrictimes.com/display/article/10168/1285720

www.shockmd.com/2009/05/13/neuroscience-of-exercise/

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/04/060401104819.htm

For Initial Treatment Of Moderate To Severe Major Depression, Cognitive Therapy And Medication May Be Equally Effective
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/04/050420092142.htm

www.cancerconsultants.com/17196/

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/01/070102092229.htm

obesity:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12119573
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17572308?ord...les&logdbfrom=pubmed

Alcohol:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16549308?ord...les&logdbfrom=pubmed

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11754674?ord...les&logdbfrom=pubmed

Leading causes of death:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9635069?ordi...les&logdbfrom=pubmed


The impact of maternal childhood abuse on maternal and infant HPA axis function in the postpartum period.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19931984?ito...DocSum&ordinalpos=18

drug abuse:
pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/reprint/111/3/564

stress:
www.the-scientist.com/blog/display/56139/

www.thefreelibrary.com/Adverse+childhood...haviors.-a0202360686

Which of those links covers the Santa trauma?
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Some of us read books about stuff and form all kinds of silly ideas, while others live it using their love and native wit to navigate.

Please could you show me an example of your rational, critical thinking, as I must have missed it.

You don't have the capacity to recognise rational, critical thinking, you make your mind up and then censor anything that may prove you incorrect, you are preventing yourself from thinking at all, I would guess it's as a defence mechanism against facing up to what you have done to your children.

"Who do you think's going to spend time reading any of that shit if it's led you to draw the conclusions you've presented here?"
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Perhaps somebody reading this may wish to assess the information and use critical thinking skills to come to the truth, I realise that most people simply want to reinforce their preferences, especially if it implicates them in something they would rather not address, the information certainly was not aimed at you personally as you haven't shown any interest in challenging your preferences or thinking about the subject in a rational manner.

What? Really?
Gilly is coming from the position of being a MOTHER....you are coming from waaaaay left field and not talking about the subject matter which is quite simply is it right to lie to kids about Santa......well chew on this one pal......
millions, nay billions of children have been brought up having been lied to about santa and the tooth fairy et all....I don't see millions and billions of mentally disturbed adults walking about needing help from the likes of your Bruce Perry.....
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You don't have the capacity to recognise rational, critical thinking, you make your mind up and then censor anything that may prove you incorrect, you are preventing yourself from thinking at all, I would guess it's as a defence mechanism against facing up to what you have done to your children.

"Who do you think's going to spend time reading any of that shit if it's led you to draw the conclusions you've presented here?"

You've failed to grasp so many comments in the thread from people speaking of common-sense practicalities, that it seems pointless attempting to educate you.

Re the bolded bit - shove your encyclopedia of BS up your imbecilic arse, and come back & tell us about it when you've tried rearing children by the methods you advocate.
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Gilly wrote:
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You don't have the capacity to recognise rational, critical thinking, you make your mind up and then censor anything that may prove you incorrect, you are preventing yourself from thinking at all, I would guess it's as a defence mechanism against facing up to what you have done to your children.

"Who do you think's going to spend time reading any of that shit if it's led you to draw the conclusions you've presented here?"

You've failed to grasp so many comments in the thread from people speaking of common-sense practicalities, that it seems pointless attempting to educate you.

Re the bolded bit - shove your encyclopedia of BS up your imbecilic arse, and come back & tell us about it when you've tried rearing children by the methods you advocate.

Amen girl, amen :rose:
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Perhaps somebody reading this may wish to assess the information and use critical thinking skills to come to the truth, I realise that most people simply want to reinforce their preferences, especially if it implicates them in something they would rather not address, the information certainly was not aimed at you personally as you haven't shown any interest in challenging your preferences or thinking about the subject in a rational manner.

What? Really?
Gilly is coming from the position of being a MOTHER....you are coming from waaaaay left field and not talking about the subject matter which is quite simply is it right to lie to kids about Santa......well chew on this one pal......
millions, nay billions of children have been brought up having been lied to about santa and the tooth fairy et all....I don't see millions and billions of mentally disturbed adults walking about needing help from the likes of your Bruce Perry.....

The subject matter has expanded from the OP, people have been talking about physically abusing children fro being "wilful" etc.
I think almost everyone is psychologically and emotionally damaged, in a large part due to their childhood, I see plenty of evidence for this.
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The subject matter has expanded from the OP, people have been talking about physically abusing children fro being "wilful" etc.
I think almost everyone is psychologically and emotionally damaged, in a large part due to their childhood, I see plenty of evidence for this.

Before you say anything else stupid, kindly back up that remark by copying and pasting the physical abuse that was recommended. Do it right now, please.
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Gilly wrote:
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You don't have the capacity to recognise rational, critical thinking, you make your mind up and then censor anything that may prove you incorrect, you are preventing yourself from thinking at all, I would guess it's as a defence mechanism against facing up to what you have done to your children.

"Who do you think's going to spend time reading any of that shit if it's led you to draw the conclusions you've presented here?"

You've failed to grasp so many comments in the thread from people speaking of common-sense practicalities, that it seems pointless attempting to educate you.

Re the bolded bit - shove your encyclopedia of BS up your imbecilic arse, and come back & tell us about it when you've tried rearing children by the methods you advocate.

The fact that rearing children may be difficult is not an excuse to abuse them, much like a difficult relationship is not an excuse to abuse a partner, or like it's not acceptable to abuse an elderly parent who may be suffering from dementia and acting in much the same way a child might. There is simply no moral or rational excuse for abusing people, including "common-sense practicalities".
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Gilly wrote:
Reptired wrote:
The subject matter has expanded from the OP, people have been talking about physically abusing children fro being "wilful" etc.
I think almost everyone is psychologically and emotionally damaged, in a large part due to their childhood, I see plenty of evidence for this.

Before you say anything else stupid, kindly back up that remark by copying and pasting the physical abuse that was recommended. Do it right now, please.
Gilly wrote:
So say a child displeases by defying you and persists in doing things, for example, that are dangerous. If I'm right in thinking you wouldn't use removal of his / her property, or violence to deter them, I'd love to know how you think you'd tackle it. Because you can take my word for it that reasoning & persuasion don't always do the trick. I'd like you to tell me, because it's always people who've never had kids who apparently have all the answers as to the right way to raise kids, funnily enough. :D
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