andyh wrote:
First off TZM is different from TVP.
Also anarcho-syndicalists are a world apart from that too.
Ok, I didn't mean to imply that A-S=TZM, I don't know what the difference is between TZM and TVP, nor do I care, but you have no disagreement in any case.
andyh wrote:
Care to explain how anarcho-capitalism is going to suddenly appear and work within the current socio-economic system?
It already exists, it's merely just a matter of universalising it.
Every time somebody engages in something with another person that is voluntary, that's Anarchism/Voluntaryism/Anarcho-Capitalism.
As I have said before, and I recall you agreeing, the reason the world is in the state it is is due to how parents treat their children.
In the problem the solution is evident.
andyh wrote:
Stefan has never done that, nor will he, because its impossible. Bear in mind that I have never said that any of these solutions are all there is, nor that they are perfect or utopian etc etc. Simply that anarcho-syndicalism is the only option of the lot that can actually be applied, quite simply because it exists, there is living proof in mondragon showing it working, so there is outright denial already there on stefans part if you get my drift.
Yeah, I get you, it's a great point.
andyh wrote:
Capitalism and communism have BOTH never ever ever existed in reality in their true intended way...why? Because people have gamed the system to their own advantage and they will continue to game it to their advantage, anarcho-syndicalism is gaming the system to a group advantage, it is merely playing the elite at their own game. This in your face reality is undeniable its there for anyone to see if they care to look...if you make it big enough then people cannot avoid seeing it, they cannot hide it and eventually they will have to come to terms with it.
In the battle between idealism and realism, realism knocks it for 6 every time. You can see this in every aspect of the truth movement or conspiracy movement or whatever you care to call it, lizard people for example, 2012 etc etc its all the same shit and it fails again and again as reality knocks these 'followers' for 6 when they have to come to terms with it. Bullshit is bullshit, you just have to swallow it and move on, logic has to at some point overcome emotional denial.
As I pointed out though, Voluntary interactions already exist,every time two people go out on a date,somebody buys a coffee etc .....
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