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GCHQ monitoring of forums... and Cass Sunstein's agenda 02 Mar 2014 02:18 #1

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if anyone knows of a GCHQ agent on any forum please post details so we can out them and deal with them appropiately
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GCHQ monitoring of forums... and Cass Sunstein's agenda 02 Mar 2014 03:29 #2

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I'm editing the title coates.

Moan if you want, I dont give a shit.
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GCHQ monitoring of forums... and Cass Sunstein's agenda 02 Mar 2014 10:59 #3

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It's no shock to me. In fact I would be more surprised if they hadn't or didnt do it.
This type of program, in various forms, has been about since the British black radio broadcasting to Germany during WW2.
Same shit different method except now they are targeting their own citizens instead of the enemie's. Maybe that's a clue as to how your government regards you.

You can always spot the so called professional agitator come disinformationist - they always use fallacious arguments, pretty much like politicians and once you are up to speed on spotting logical fallacies they are easy to shoot down.

ETA: Start here - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
Then google some more and there are some good youtube vids explaining the more common ones and how they are used. ;)
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GCHQ monitoring of forums... and Cass Sunstein's agenda 02 Mar 2014 12:09 #4

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Summary from RT
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GCHQ monitoring of forums... and Cass Sunstein's agenda 02 Mar 2014 14:00 #5

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Link in the OP coates or it gets binned
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GCHQ monitoring of forums... and Cass Sunstein's agenda 02 Mar 2014 14:27 #6

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GCHQ monitoring of forums... and Cass Sunstein's agenda 02 Mar 2014 14:37 #7

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You gonna bin the OP or the whole thread oioi?
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GCHQ monitoring of forums... and Cass Sunstein's agenda 02 Mar 2014 14:39 #8

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Wise Haven wrote:
You gonna bin the OP or the whole thread oioi?

I suppose the thread works without the OP so just the OP. Won't make any less sense than most of coates OPs
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GCHQ monitoring of forums... and Cass Sunstein's agenda 02 Mar 2014 14:42 #9

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If I get the time - I might pad out one of my earlier posts so the thread makes more sense.
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GCHQ monitoring of forums... and Cass Sunstein's agenda 02 Mar 2014 14:50 #10

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But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma,
a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.
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GCHQ monitoring of forums... and Cass Sunstein's agenda 02 Mar 2014 14:51 #11

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Sort of goes with that thread I started about forums.

In the meantime.....
Yes, There Are Paid Government Trolls On Social Media, Blogs, Forums And Websites
Do you want solid proof that paid government shills are targeting websites, blogs, forums and social media accounts? For years, many have suspected that government trolls have been systematically causing havoc all over the Internet, but proving it has been difficult. But now thanks to documents leaked by Edward Snowden and revealed by Glenn Greenwald, we finally have hard evidence that western governments have been doing this.

As you will see below, a UK intelligence outfit known as the Government Communications Headquarters, through a previously secret unit known as the Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group, has been systematically attempting “to control, infiltrate, manipulate, and warp online discourse.” This should be deeply disturbing to anyone that values free speech on the Internet.

More here....
www.activistpost.com/2014/02/yes-there-a...nment-trolls-on.html
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GCHQ monitoring of forums... and Cass Sunstein's agenda 02 Mar 2014 14:52 #12

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It doesn't.
But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma,
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GCHQ monitoring of forums... and Cass Sunstein's agenda 02 Mar 2014 15:01 #13

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It does....but you and I join our dots up differently tis all :)
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GCHQ monitoring of forums... and Cass Sunstein's agenda 02 Mar 2014 15:10 #14

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Okay, it does.

You're wrong, I'm right - smiley face.
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GCHQ monitoring of forums... and Cass Sunstein's agenda 02 Mar 2014 15:11 #15

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So the OP gets trashed even though it's a verifiable story and links were subsequently posted?
But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma,
a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.
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GCHQ monitoring of forums... and Cass Sunstein's agenda 02 Mar 2014 15:13 #16

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mild_peril wrote:
It doesn't.
No, I reckon it does. There are effectively two types of trolls:
1. Those with some nebulous personality disorder which causes them to get the attention they need - apparently even negatively.
2. Those who come with either a commercial, political or social engineering agenda. Two of those which will be under Govt auspices (GCHQ etc)

By being able to identify and recognize their motivation or modus operandi, we have a good idea who we have taking an interest in our inane perambulations. :hahano:
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GCHQ monitoring of forums... and Cass Sunstein's agenda 02 Mar 2014 15:19 #17

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mild_peril wrote:
So the OP gets trashed even though it's a verifiable story and links were subsequently posted?

Forum policy.

No linky no likey!
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GCHQ monitoring of forums... and Cass Sunstein's agenda 02 Mar 2014 15:21 #18

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No Mild Peril - No links or source info was posted and I was here up till the last minute or so.

When the OP was talking about "We" in the article I wasn't entirely sure if it was we, us - we, me - or we the authors of the article.
If an article is un referenced or no source it is effectively hearsay and there is too much of that on the internet so I tend to agree with the policy of providing links with third party articles.
For all we know it could have come from Before its news or Sorcha Fal who are notorious hoaxers.

ETA: Its also bad form to steal a whole article without attributing credit to the author/s not to mention the copyright infringement implications.
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GCHQ monitoring of forums... and Cass Sunstein's agenda 02 Mar 2014 15:26 #19

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Wise Haven wrote:
mild_peril wrote:
It doesn't.
No, I reckon it does. There are effectively two types of trolls:
1. Those with some nebulous personality disorder which causes them to get the attention they need - apparently even negatively.
2. Those who come with either a commercial, political or social engineering agenda. Two of those which will be under Govt auspices (GCHQ etc)

By being able to identify and recognize their motivation or modus operandi, we have a good idea who we have taking an interest in our inane perambulations. :hahano:

I see how you both come to the conclusion, I just don't agree.

One thread was about the more personal aspect of on-line communities and the various ego's at play, and the other is about how the powers that be seek to tarnish any kind of discourse and meaningful rebellion.

The word 'forum' is the only real common denominator between the 'Why I think forums are bad......' thread, and the JTRIG (Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group) operation, even though the word forum is only used once in the article I linked above.

Meh, It's Sunday..
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GCHQ monitoring of forums... and Cass Sunstein's agenda 02 Mar 2014 15:33 #20

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Surely if you can differentiate between the personal and professional disruptors you eliminate the irrelevant leaving the malevelent in plain sight.
But meh indeed.

I can spell but my keyboard cant so as its Sunday I'll be letting all my typo/spello's stand as they are...sod it
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