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Child witch's African churchs 21 Sep 2012 20:04 #1

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If god is at the center of religion why is there so much evil and backwardness in it.


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African churches denounce children as ‘witches’
Pastors accuse thousands of children, leading to torture or death
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Accused child witches Jane, left, and Mary, right, stand with other children accused of witchcraft at the Children's Rights and Rehabilitation Network in Eket, Nigeria, on Aug. 18, 2009. Jane's mother tried to saw off the top of her skull after a pastor denounced her and Mary, 15, is just beginning to think about boys and how they will look at the scar tissue on her face caused when her mother doused her in caustic soda.

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EKET, Nigeria — The 9-year-old boy lay on a bloodstained hospital sheet crawling with ants, staring blindly at the wall.
His family pastor had accused him of being a witch, and his father then tried to force acid down his throat as an exorcism. It spilled as he struggled, burning away his face and eyes. The emaciated boy barely had strength left to whisper the name of the church that had denounced him — Mount Zion Lighthouse.
A month later, he died.
Nwanaokwo Edet was one of an increasing number of children in Africa accused of witchcraft by pastors and then tortured or killed, often by family members. Pastors were involved in half of 200 cases of "witch children" reviewed by the AP, and 13 churches were named in the case files.
Some of the churches involved are renegade local branches of international franchises. Their parishioners take literally the Biblical exhortation, "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."
"It is an outrage what they are allowing to take place in the name of Christianity," said Gary Foxcroft, head of nonprofit Stepping Stones Nigeria.
‘Children are defenseless’
For their part, the families are often extremely poor, and sometimes even relieved to have one less mouth to feed. Poverty, conflict and poor education lay the foundation for accusations, which are then triggered by the death of a relative, the loss of a job or the denunciation of a pastor on the make, said Martin Dawes, a spokesman for the United Nations Children's Fund.
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"When communities come under pressure, they look for scapegoats," he said. "It plays into traditional beliefs that someone is responsible for a negative change ... and children are defenseless."
The idea of witchcraft is hardly new, but it has taken on new life recently partly because of a rapid growth in evangelical Christianity. Campaigners against the practice say around 15,000 children have been accused in two of Nigeria's 36 states over the past decade and around 1,000 have been murdered. In the past month alone, three Nigerian children accused of witchcraft were killed and another three were set on fire.
Nigeria is one of the heartlands of abuse, but hardly the only one: the United Nations Children's Fund says tens of thousands of children have been targeted throughout Africa.
Competition for congregations
Church signs sprout around every twist of the road snaking through the jungle between Uyo, the capital of the southern Akwa Ibom state where Nwanaokwo lay, and Eket, home to many more rejected "witch children." Churches outnumber schools, clinics and banks put together. Many promise to solve parishioner's material worries as well as spiritual ones — eight out of ten Nigerians struggle by on less than $2 a day.
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"Poverty must catch fire," insists the Born 2 Rule Crusade on one of Uyo's main streets.
"Where little shots become big shots in a short time," promises the Winner's Chapel down the road.
"Pray your way to riches," advises Embassy of Christ a few blocks away.
It's hard for churches to carve out a congregation with so much competition. So some pastors establish their credentials by accusing children of witchcraft.
Nwanaokwo said he knew the pastor who accused him only as Pastor King. Mount Zion Lighthouse in Nigeria at first confirmed that a Pastor King worked for them, then denied that they knew any such person.
Bishop A.D. Ayakndue, the head of the church in Nigeria, said pastors were encouraged to pray about witchcraft, but not to abuse children.
"We pray over that problem (of witchcraft) very powerfully," he said. "But we can never hurt a child."
U.S. branches ‘had no idea’
The Nigerian church is a branch of a Californian church by the same name. But the California church says it lost touch with its Nigerian offshoots several years ago.
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"I had no idea," said church elder Carrie King by phone from Tracy, Calif. "I knew people believed in witchcraft over there but we believe in the power of prayer, not physically harming people."
The Mount Zion Lighthouse — also named by three other families as the accuser of their children — is part of the powerful Pentecostal Fellowship of Nigeria. The Fellowship's president, Ayo Oritsejafor, said the Fellowship was the fastest-growing religious group in Nigeria, with more than 30 million members.
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Re: Child witch's African churchs 21 Sep 2012 20:16 #2

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If god is at the center of religion why is there so much evil and backwardness in it.

Because human beings are involved.

That's why atheist regimes like Khmer Rouge and the Cultural Revolution of China was often evil and backward.
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Re: Child witch's African churchs 21 Sep 2012 21:03 #3

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All religions have their nutters

i feel you are being a bit 'racist' for want of a better word.

Let's all point at the Africans they are savage :roll:
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Re: Child witch's African churchs 21 Sep 2012 21:06 #4

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mikey mikey wrote:
nirvana wrote:
If god is at the center of religion why is there so much evil and backwardness in it.

Because human beings are involved.

That's why atheist regimes like Khmer Rouge and the Cultural Revolution of China was often evil and backward.

+1. Human beings can generally be counted on to b****r things up!

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Re: Child witch's African churchs 21 Sep 2012 21:10 #5

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dawnbreak wrote:
All religions have their nutters

i feel you are being a bit 'racist' for want of a better word.

Let's all point at the Africans they are savage :roll:

Always someone who has to play the race card. :umm:


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Why did you not call me a racist when i exposed the bnp :umm:

For Dawn and the thought police
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only when deserved :drama:
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nirvana wrote:
If god is at the center of religion why is there so much evil and backwardness in it.


www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33356826/ns/world_n...africa/#.UFPeTa6OySo


African churches denounce children as ‘witches’
Pastors accuse thousands of children, leading to torture or death
Below:



Sunday Alamba / AP
Accused child witches Jane, left, and Mary, right, stand with other children accused of witchcraft at the Children's Rights and Rehabilitation Network in Eket, Nigeria, on Aug. 18, 2009. Jane's mother tried to saw off the top of her skull after a pastor denounced her and Mary, 15, is just beginning to think about boys and how they will look at the scar tissue on her face caused when her mother doused her in caustic soda.

updated 10/17/2009 4:55:04 PM ET
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EKET, Nigeria — The 9-year-old boy lay on a bloodstained hospital sheet crawling with ants, staring blindly at the wall.
His family pastor had accused him of being a witch, and his father then tried to force acid down his throat as an exorcism. It spilled as he struggled, burning away his face and eyes. The emaciated boy barely had strength left to whisper the name of the church that had denounced him — Mount Zion Lighthouse.
A month later, he died.
Nwanaokwo Edet was one of an increasing number of children in Africa accused of witchcraft by pastors and then tortured or killed, often by family members. Pastors were involved in half of 200 cases of "witch children" reviewed by the AP, and 13 churches were named in the case files.
Some of the churches involved are renegade local branches of international franchises. Their parishioners take literally the Biblical exhortation, "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."
"It is an outrage what they are allowing to take place in the name of Christianity," said Gary Foxcroft, head of nonprofit Stepping Stones Nigeria.
‘Children are defenseless’
For their part, the families are often extremely poor, and sometimes even relieved to have one less mouth to feed. Poverty, conflict and poor education lay the foundation for accusations, which are then triggered by the death of a relative, the loss of a job or the denunciation of a pastor on the make, said Martin Dawes, a spokesman for the United Nations Children's Fund.
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"When communities come under pressure, they look for scapegoats," he said. "It plays into traditional beliefs that someone is responsible for a negative change ... and children are defenseless."
The idea of witchcraft is hardly new, but it has taken on new life recently partly because of a rapid growth in evangelical Christianity. Campaigners against the practice say around 15,000 children have been accused in two of Nigeria's 36 states over the past decade and around 1,000 have been murdered. In the past month alone, three Nigerian children accused of witchcraft were killed and another three were set on fire.
Nigeria is one of the heartlands of abuse, but hardly the only one: the United Nations Children's Fund says tens of thousands of children have been targeted throughout Africa.
Competition for congregations
Church signs sprout around every twist of the road snaking through the jungle between Uyo, the capital of the southern Akwa Ibom state where Nwanaokwo lay, and Eket, home to many more rejected "witch children." Churches outnumber schools, clinics and banks put together. Many promise to solve parishioner's material worries as well as spiritual ones — eight out of ten Nigerians struggle by on less than $2 a day.
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"Poverty must catch fire," insists the Born 2 Rule Crusade on one of Uyo's main streets.
"Where little shots become big shots in a short time," promises the Winner's Chapel down the road.
"Pray your way to riches," advises Embassy of Christ a few blocks away.
It's hard for churches to carve out a congregation with so much competition. So some pastors establish their credentials by accusing children of witchcraft.
Nwanaokwo said he knew the pastor who accused him only as Pastor King. Mount Zion Lighthouse in Nigeria at first confirmed that a Pastor King worked for them, then denied that they knew any such person.
Bishop A.D. Ayakndue, the head of the church in Nigeria, said pastors were encouraged to pray about witchcraft, but not to abuse children.
"We pray over that problem (of witchcraft) very powerfully," he said. "But we can never hurt a child."
U.S. branches ‘had no idea’
The Nigerian church is a branch of a Californian church by the same name. But the California church says it lost touch with its Nigerian offshoots several years ago.
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"I had no idea," said church elder Carrie King by phone from Tracy, Calif. "I knew people believed in witchcraft over there but we believe in the power of prayer, not physically harming people."
The Mount Zion Lighthouse — also named by three other families as the accuser of their children — is part of the powerful Pentecostal Fellowship of Nigeria. The Fellowship's president, Ayo Oritsejafor, said the Fellowship was the fastest-growing religious group in Nigeria, with more than 30 million members.

It sounds a bit tavistock too.
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I think that the main reason that religions contain that which is "evil and backward" is because God ISN'T at the centre of them. If He were, ergo they would not be evil and backward - in the case of Christianity, that many men and women have perverted Christ's message to suit their own ends.

There has also been something of a mistranslation at fault here - the original word in the OT that has been translated as "witch" should apparently have been better translated as "poisoner". Alas, though, I've no knowledge of Biblical languages - KOTG from the DIF does though and would be able to explain that brilliantly! :D

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I think that the main reason that religions contain that which is "evil and backward" is because God ISN'T at the centre of them. If He were, ergo they would not be evil and backward - it's just that many men and women have perverted Christ's message to suit their own ends.

Mandy

Very well said. :clap:

The modern MSM and what passes for "intelligentsia" seem very focused on all of these stories but for some reason avoid all of the positive stories featuring religious people.

When I point out the self-sacrifice and good works of which there are thousands of examples, they usually respond "Well it wasn't their religion that led them to be charitable or altruistic; they would have been like that without religion."

And yet, all of these atrocities would somehow never happen, were it not for religion.

And they say my beliefs are blind. :yerright:
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only when deserved :drama:


Your the one who got all high and mighty trying to score points using the race card :coffee:
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Dawn's posts went missing. WTF is going on?
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2009?

You can't do any better than that?

Well we know you didn't come across this story on a news site now, I wonder what kind of site did bring this old story to your attention.
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Dawn's posts went missing. WTF is going on?

witchery, no doubt.
my limbless friend will die alone
a torso of flesh upon the throne

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2009?

You can't do any better than that?

Well we know you didn't come across this story on a news site now, I wonder what kind of site did bring this old story to your attention.


Ickes site.
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nirvana wrote:
oioioi wrote:
2009?

You can't do any better than that?

Well we know you didn't come across this story on a news site now, I wonder what kind of site did bring this old story to your attention.


Ickes site.

I knew it was gonna be a racist one!

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