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Re: Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 17 Oct 2012 11:46 #41

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When will these Jimmy Saville sex allegations ever end? Police are now saying Jeremy Beadle may have had a small hand in it.
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Re: Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 17 Oct 2012 16:41 #42

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I hadn't realised he'd been involved in the abuse of children at that Jersey care home as well. He'd strenuously denied ever having visited there, till the Sun apparently published a picture of him in the grounds there, surrounded by those poor innocents. :(

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Re: Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 17 Oct 2012 16:44 #43

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hugorune wrote:
Jeremy Beadle may have had a small hand in it.

Nothing pisses me off more than kids getting hurt, but fuck that beadle small hand was funny (beadles got one very very small hand for those that didn't know)
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Re: Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 17 Oct 2012 16:50 #44

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Some sick puppy sent that Beadle joke to Mr Pumpshaft!

This whole JS business just keeps getting worse. I'm utterly shocked by it, because I always thought he was pretty cool when I was a nipper. I now wonder how many other children's TV presenters were also fiddly diddlys. :(

The fact that other people at the BBC had their suspicions, or knew beggars belief.
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Re: Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 17 Oct 2012 17:02 #45

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LesleyPumpshaft wrote:
Some sick puppy sent that Beadle joke to Mr Pumpshaft!

This whole JS business just keeps getting worse. I'm utterly shocked by it, because I always thought he was pretty cool when I was a nipper. I now wonder how many other children's TV presenters were also fiddly diddlys. :(

The fact that other people at the BBC had their suspicions, or knew beggars belief.

Back in the day we knew him for TOTP, making kids wishes come true (legally!!), advertising trains and great charidee work. What wasn't to admire?
In the 70s guys like him weren't creepy they were eccentric.
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Re: Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 17 Oct 2012 17:08 #46

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hugorune wrote:
LesleyPumpshaft wrote:
Some sick puppy sent that Beadle joke to Mr Pumpshaft!

This whole JS business just keeps getting worse. I'm utterly shocked by it, because I always thought he was pretty cool when I was a nipper. I now wonder how many other children's TV presenters were also fiddly diddlys. :(

The fact that other people at the BBC had their suspicions, or knew beggars belief.

Back in the day we knew him for TOTP, making kids wishes come true (legally!!), advertising trains and great charidee work. What wasn't to admire?
In the 70s guys like him weren't creepy they were eccentric.

he didn't seem creepy at the time, he did a lot of good work for cherridee ffs. If JS can do this, then literally anyone is capable.
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Re: Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 17 Oct 2012 17:38 #47

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There was rumours about JS in Salford some 13 years ago, dungeons, killings, kids, s&m he was locally known as a dodgey bloke.
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Re: Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 17 Oct 2012 17:41 #48

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There was rumours about JS in Salford some 13 years ago, dungeons, killings, kids, s&m he was locally known as a dodgey bloke.

Really? I never knew that.
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Re: Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 17 Oct 2012 17:50 #49

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Not sure if it was due to a freind of a freind of a freind i have who used to tax all the nightclubs, run all the carparks near the city centre pretty much. kill maine and mutaliate. But this Friend of a friend of a friend told me that Jimmy had links with all the above mentioned, and was one evil bastard.
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Re: Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 17 Oct 2012 18:09 #50

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Killings! Given all the recent news that's come out it wouldn't be a huge surprise.
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Re: Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 17 Oct 2012 18:27 #51

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I'm not trying to be clever, but I honestly always thought he was creepy, even when I was a kid. We used to stand on the street & watch a vintage car convoy go past once a year, on it's way to Blackpool, with lots of kids in, & him sat there like a toad in the middle of them - I think the Queen used to be there some years - some annual charity event. And I remember not liking him.
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Re: Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 17 Oct 2012 18:37 #52

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He never came through Milton Keynes. He did have strange wispy hair.

I wonder how many other celebs were involved or doing similar things.
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Re: Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 17 Oct 2012 18:49 #53

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BBC Cesspit – Its not just about Savile
Posted on October 14, 2012 by Admin

This campaign has consistently stated that the BBC’s interest in Hollie’s abuse and Anne had been managed, manipulated and spiked. In the light of the Jimmy Savile revelations of sexual abuse over a 40-year period and the cover-up by the BBC, we would like to point out a few similarities in the cover-up.

Enter Mark Daly in April 2009, at the time an investigations correspondent for BBC Scotland. He first contacted Robert Green within days of the story being published in the News of the World.

At this time various other mainstream media outlets were interested in the story but Daly wanted the BBC to have an exclusive, Anne and Robert were persuaded to agree to this.

They passed a great deal of documentation to Daly and spoke to him regularly on the phone, with hindsight it appears that Daly wanted to close off other avenues of publicity and to ascertain what documentation Anne possessed at that time. To this day this is the documentation their detractors have been using in an attempt to undermine and discredit the validity of that documentation.

Daly told Anne and Robert that Hollie’s story fitted with a pattern of similar abuse against the disabled in Scotland which he was investigating. He indicated that two programmes would be commissioned by BBC Scotland, one for TV and one for radio, with the likelihood of a Panorama documentary to be broadcast nationally.

Note 1: The BBC Newsnight broadcast about Savile that was spiked and is now under investigation was also commissioned by BBC Scotland.

On June 4th 2009, Daly along with two colleagues Kathy Long and Liam MacDougall, visited Anne and Hollie in person and the discussions lasted for more than five hours. They were told that they would return with a camera crew and that the first documentaries would be broadcast in August or September 2009.

Six days later they were informed out of the blue that the BBC had scrapped their plans to produce the programmes. It did not make sense that they could reach this decision after having already expended so much time, money and effort. Robert received a call from Mark Daly, stating that he and his team had been threatened with loosing their jobs and warned off the case, indeed, ordered to drop the case and even ordered not to investigate any other cases of alleged paedophilia in Scotland.

Daly has since attempted to justify the BBC’s decision to pull the plug on Hollie’s story as his own decision.

However on May 31st 2009 the blogger Anna Raccoon wrote: “Exit Mark Daly – but not before he had helpfully asked for and received from Grampian Police, the autopsy report for Roy Grieg (sic).”

Note 2: We have written extensively on Anna Racoon in our disinformation section and we now hold evidence that Anna Raccoon approached Mark Daly via Tom George, also mentioned in the disinformation section.
Note 3: The autopsy report was not released by the Procurator Fiscal to Anne until 31st December 2009, six months AFTER the BBC had stopped production.

Robert Green wrote at the time, “We are extremely alarmed at the possibility that Grampian Police would have issued Daly with Roy Greig’s autopsy report especially as his sister, Anne Greig, was not allowed access to it until 12 years after his death”. Daly also had access to the Grampian Police charge sheet relating to Greg Mackie’s lewd and libidinous behaviour which he discussed with Anne. That document was and still is completely denied to Anne despite repeated FOI requests.

Note 4: Roy’s death in suspicious circumstances was only discussed in passing and there was never any intention that this would be included in any programme.

Those with a duty to protect victims of abuse are instead dismissive of stories such as Hollie’s, protecting the abusers rather than the abused, treating victims with disdain often leaving them to suffer for years, supporting detractors and allowing them to spread disinformation using the same methodology of obfuscation and a disbelief in the stories of anyone who is vulnerable or under various degrees of care, which is now coming to light in the Jimmy Savile investigations.

As more veils are being lifted in the network of abuse covered up within and by the BBC with the assistance and collusion of the Police, light is now beginning to penetrate those dark places. More and more people are finding the courage to come forward with their own stories of abuse.

The message that is coming across from Savile’s victims is that because they are in care, in hospital or in mental instututions they will not be believed. Police collusion ensures that those not in this position when they report such abuse, quickly find that the Mental Health Act is used against them in order to silence their voices, followed by sham investigations and no further action. The multiple attempts to have Anne Greig sectioned is witness to this.

In 2007 Savile was interviewed under caution by police investigating an allegation of indecent assault in the 1970s at the now-closed Duncroft Approved School for Girls near Staines, Surrey, where he was a regular visitor. The Crown Prosecution Service advised that there was insufficient evidence to take any further action and no charges were brought.

The States of Jersey Police said that in 2008 an allegation of an indecent assault by Savile at the Haut de la Garenne home in the 1970s had been investigated, but there had been insufficient evidence to proceed.

Sound familiar? The same bland statement of ‘insufficient evidence to take any further action’ is used consistently in the Hollie Greig case by Grampian Police.

Genuine police officers and detectives who sought the truth in the Marc Dutroux child abuse and murder scandal in Belgium in the 1990s found that refusing to cover up the facts is not a good career move for law enforcement personnel if the truth is leading to rich, famous and powerful people and their networks. So it proved again with the Jersey investigation.

A decent, honest copper was in control of the investigation. This was Lenny Harper, a States of Jersey police detective who led a three-year child abuse inquiry that genuinely tried to expose what happened.

Both sets of genuine investigators were removed from these cases and any credible ‘investigation’ went with them. Lenny Harper, like his counterpart in the Belgian inquiry, was accused of ‘misconduct’ as a blatant excuse to get rid of him – the allegations were later proved false. Harper’s boss, Jersey police chief Graham Power, was also outrageously suspended and neutralised as part of this.

The same modus operandi was seen in Portugal in the Maddie McCann case, with the investigating officer suddenly removed and vilified.

We have no doubt that much of these networks are held together by blackmail, so unless there is the political will, the same will happen with the majority of the ’340 lines of enquiry over Savile’. Good cops will get removed, enquiries will stall and not a single head will roll within the BBC or the care homes, hospitals and institutions where people and children have been violated, which could not have been done without the collusion of managers and staff.

Many of the answers are already available, it just takes the guts to expose them. In July 2006 The Telegraph let the world know that MI5 had vetted BBC staff. According to the Telegraph records show that at one stage it was responsible for vetting 6,300 different BBC posts – almost a third of the total workforce, despite denials by the BBC that this ever took place.

An internal BBC document, dated 1983, confirms: “We supply personal details to the Security Service. If there is any adverse information known, we receive this information and also, where necessary, an assessment based upon the involvement of the individual. This is presented to us as advice; line management then make the decision as to action.”

If the political will is there to uncover the truth, then the MI5 files would be a good place to start.

Lord Patten, the chairman of the BBC Trust, called the allegations against Savile a “cesspit”, and said he wanted to ensure the corporation’s policies were “fit for purpose”. If this is so, then it is up to Patten to empty the pit and shine the light brilliantly on every piece of dirt it throws up.

These investigations must not be limited only to the abuse by Savile, it must also include those who covered it up, it must include those who enable it to happen, and it must now also include the role of Social Services where we see the number of applications by social workers to take children into care soaring to nearly 1,000 a month.

Newspapers report that there are already 340 lines of enquiry surrounding the Savile abuses, but we must ensure that this exposure of Police and Institutional failure does not limit itself to the wrongdoing of Savile alone, so lets broaden this out and bring the other cover-up abuse cases into the same limelight, starting with Hollie Greig.
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Re: Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 17 Oct 2012 20:09 #54

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Are people aware that the police have hampered Robert Greene so enthusiastically, that after the years of sterling work he's done on behalf of Holly, he's now pulled out of the fight? :(
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Re: Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 17 Oct 2012 20:31 #55

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Gilly wrote:
Are people aware that the police have hampered Robert Greene so enthusiastically, that after the years of sterling work he's done on behalf of Holly, he's now pulled out of the fight? :(

I am after following the above link, I think bullied out is more apt than pulled out tbf. :mad:
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Re: Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 17 Oct 2012 20:44 #56

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When they imprisoned Greene earlier this year, for no good reason, he was requesting that people contact their local MP's to try to persuade them to get involved in insisting a proper trial be conducted into Holly's case.

I emailed my local MP, and I believe they're obliged to respond within 7 days. That was months ago. I'm still waiting for a reply.
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Re: Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 19 Oct 2012 00:38 #57

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They need to look into all the claims and leads because this runs much wider and deeper than one creepy celebrity and his celebrity mates being naughty. There are MANY claims that he abused children in Jersey (by those now adult children), and remains of children's bodies have been found in the cellars of the home (although the ruling Five Families of Jersey have shut down further investigation - Feudalism lives on strong in the feifdom of Jersey, C.I.)

We need to see followed the tracks back to those who were in this with him. They weren't "covering for him" without good reason. High and low, they were covering for themselves.

And they HAVE murdered children. Jersey brought forth the little bodies that proved it.

(Btw: Saville's necrophilia is now being investigated.... and that wasn't a secret either).
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Re: Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 19 Oct 2012 06:10 #58

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Necrophillia ffs!

I read an article the other day, and apparently the bloke from Steptoe and Son was at it too. What the hell was going on at the BBC? Is it still going on at the BBC?
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Re: Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 19 Oct 2012 07:54 #59

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Let's face facts ....Jimmy Saville had rumours surrounding him for years and years

I'm surprised the Director General of the BBC could say 'I never heard any rumours about him'?

He must have been the only person in the world not to have heard about it?

So did he get away with it because he was a high up Mason?

I think the thing that needs to be remebered is that Saville was not the only one.

I think lots of the top dogs in the bbc or itv (there was only 3 tv channels in those days) were using fame to feed there lust for pedophilly

Johnathon King?


What should be happening now is people asking , who else was involved?

Laying the blame at Savilles door, whilst coreect, is also avoiding the bigger question ......there are pedophilles in the media and some are still alive and could be taken to task re their actions
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Re: Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 19 Oct 2012 18:07 #60

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I saw Ickes rundown of this in his headlines, it was quite good, tbh he mentions The Biggest Secret in which he did mention high level SRA, pedofilia and a faction that may well have been connected to Saville, now I remember hearing he printed this book and then Desborough introduced him to Arizona Wilder provoking a reprint including all the new information from her, tbh it shone a bit of new light on Desborough's influence on Icke, and though lot's have said for years Desborough was an inside man distracting Icke when he got too close to certain facts, i've not really seen a more clear cut example of where there was a clear derailment provoked by Desborough.

I read the article yesterday and now it's buried beneath a bit of nonsense, he flat out copied one from the Daily Mail about the case but there was a big article in which Icke explained he'd mentioned this subject in the past but from fear of ridicule and the publics laughter he never publicized or even met with a potential whistle blower/victims story about sexual abuse in the heart of the English establishment.
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