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Political speech writers. 27 Jul 2012 14:43 #1

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Most presidents and prime ministers are just sock puppets for a few mega rich families and industrialists as anybody with any sense understands.Many of these puppet leaders are actually incapable of being leaders and need to be told what to do.A good example is George bush.


When he was told about the the twin towers attacks while he was reading to the school children he just sat there looking confused as he had not been told what to do/say or how to react by his political speech writers.

I was wondering what forum members views are of political speech writers?

How powerful are these people do you think regards to world politics?

How can these people be so in tune with what the real powers behind the scenes want the presidents and prime ministers to articulate to the masses?
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Re: Political speech writers. 27 Jul 2012 17:12 #2

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He seemed to play the role of the dumbass quite profoundly. Funny thing is, I've seen some 'then and now' video about boybush, and he used to be rather well articulated at one point. Hmm, I wonder if he's just in role or is that just mind control gone wrong. :chuckle:
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Re: Political speech writers. 27 Jul 2012 17:18 #3

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I'm not too sure about in the US, but I've met one political speech writer, and in the UK they tend to be spineless Oxbridge types that are not dissimilar from the likes of Cameron. Cameron recently appointed Julian Glover as a speech writer:

www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/oct/07/...-glover-speechwriter

Glover used to come out with the most unbelievable tosh imaginable when he was a Guardian columnist, I honestly believe he is the worst journalist I have ever seen in my life. Here's an example of his 'work':

www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/oc...n-columnists-verdict
This speech ambled about, limped into a few bad jokes and then stumbled into the "big society". At that point, and all the way to the end, it was transformed. David Cameron spoke fluently and sincerely about the liberal case for the reconstruction of the relationship between the state and the people. You can question his belief in the possibilities of change. But do not doubt that he is persuaded by the necessity.

He began, like his coalition partner Nick Clegg a fortnight ago, in much too defensive a tone. This part of the speech lacked any clear thread, other than that he had become prime minister and that the deals needed to allow this to take place had been worthwhile. The hall gave this a tolerant rather than enthusiastic response. Tories seem happy with the fact of the coalition's creation and accepting of its consequences, but far from sure about its ideological meaning.

Cameron is not like that and this speech, more than any other he has given, strove to put heart into the modern Tory message. Many people in his party are unconvinced by his obsession with social responsibility and do not understand what the big society is supposed to mean. The prime minister tried to tell them. He emerged as an idealist: overoptimistic, perhaps, about the potential benefits of the reform, as well as about the retreat of the state, but someone at least prepared to venture an engaging vision of the future which goes beyond the correction of Labour's budgetary disaster.

This is radical liberalism, of a sort, with talk of prison reform and social improvement rather than authoritarianism. Will we all found new schools, start new businesses, help each other out, as Cameron envisages? Not always. But he is right that the state is the product of, and the servant of, society. Citizens decide the future, not government. The prime minister said so boldy. These, he thinks, are the ideas of a new generation.
Have you ever heard such a load of cack in all your life? There is literally nothing of substance in that article, nor any factual basis for anything that he's saying, and that's before you go into his butchering and misrepresentation of various concepts.

I honestly think that, in Britain at least, what is required from a political speech writer is the ability to actually believe in the wishy-washy claptrap and justification for the government's policies that they are asked to come out with, to the extent that instead of questioning whether or not it's true, they will instead be willing to wax lyrical about it and create certain memorable phrases that stick in people's minds. The last thing they want is someone who has an understanding of politics or anything to do with the ulterior motives behind the policies and speeches.
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Re: Political speech writers. 27 Jul 2012 17:41 #4

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Hexhammer wrote:
He seemed to play the role of the dumbass quite profoundly. Funny thing is, I've seen some 'then and now' video about boybush, and he used to be rather well articulated at one point. Hmm, I wonder if he's just in role or is that just mind control gone wrong. :chuckle:
I've seen that video too, here it is:

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Re: Political speech writers. 27 Jul 2012 17:51 #5

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
Have you ever heard such a load of cack in all your life?

I'm sorry WUB, I literally could not read it. I got through the first paragraph then fell into a light coma.
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Re: Political speech writers. 27 Jul 2012 18:01 #6

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dogsmilk wrote:
wake_up_bomb wrote:
Have you ever heard such a load of cack in all your life?

I'm sorry WUB, I literally could not read it. I got through the first paragraph then fell into a light coma.

This might very well be the reason for that crock of shit being what it is. :bla:

The ability to speak without actually saying anything is something that finnish politicians really go for, or then it's the folks who write the the verbal bile they call speeches. Say a lot of words and really mean nothing or total opposite what it supposed to be about. (My uncle says I should get into politics, because I have so much to say. Yea right. :roll: )
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Re: Political speech writers. 27 Jul 2012 18:06 #7

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dogsmilk wrote:

I got through the first paragraph then fell into a light coma.


:nutkik:

.... I couldn't possibly walk away from such an opportunity :coffee:
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Re: Political speech writers. 27 Jul 2012 18:24 #8

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Possibly i should have just included American speech writers and politicians?

How many speech writers in the US for example are or have been members of skull and bones?
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Re: Political speech writers. 27 Jul 2012 18:36 #9

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without getting into the rights and wrongs of politicians (please :P) they are supposed to be charismatic people you can believe in - people who reflect those they are supposed to serve and who make you want to vote for them - with respect to the aforementioned - speech writers imho are just another layer of fakery and fraud that is politicians.
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Re: Political speech writers. 27 Jul 2012 18:39 #10

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I can remember just after 9-11, there was a famous clip floating around, a split screen with a Canadian MP, and an Australian MP -- their speeches were identical. That shows you that the governments of different countries are controlled in some cases by the same people. The same writers, or co-ordinators. Or maybe the folks who carried out 9-11 just used their influence to control the flow of info, and how the info was said.

Politicians are supposed to be charismatic, and well spoken. Dubya was nothing more than an in-joke courtesy of his father, as Bush Sr basically showed anyone who was privy just how powerful he is, by giving his idiot son not only a baseball team, the governorship of Texas, and controlling interest in Halliburton Oil, he gave Jr the Presidency of the US. He is an anomaly. Politicians are supposed to be as I mentioned at the beginning of this paragraph, and not much more. Smile, nod, read from the cue cards. Political speech writers aren't calling the shots, they are just supposed to write something that articulates an idea effectively. They are told what the mandate is, they don't control the mandate.
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Re: Political speech writers. 27 Jul 2012 19:50 #11

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My tuppence is that if you need someone to write your speeches, you really shouldn't be in the position where you'd need someone to write your speeches.

Ron's hit the nail on the head about the writers imo. Garbage lands on their desk and gets turned into slightly more pallatable garbage before it is passed on to garbage to spew out.
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Re: Political speech writers. 27 Jul 2012 22:21 #12

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Re: Political speech writers. 27 Jul 2012 22:31 #13

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humanspirit wrote:
Most presidents and prime ministers are just sock puppets for a few mega rich families and industrialists as anybody with any sense understands.Many of these puppet leaders are actually incapable of being leaders and need to be told what to do.A good example is George bush.


When he was told about the the twin towers attacks while he was reading to the school children he just sat there looking confused as he had not been told what to do/say or how to react by his political speech writers.

I was wondering what forum members views are of political speech writers?

How powerful are these people do you think regards to world politics?

How can these people be so in tune with what the real powers behind the scenes want the presidents and prime ministers to articulate to the masses?

:killinme: Hillareous video that, the canned laughter helped it along nicely too :)
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Re: Political speech writers. 27 Jul 2012 22:45 #14

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Hexhammer wrote:
This might very well be the reason for that crock of shit being what it is. :bla:

The ability to speak without actually saying anything is something that finnish politicians really go for, or then it's the folks who write the the verbal bile they call speeches. Say a lot of words and really mean nothing or total opposite what it supposed to be about. (My uncle says I should get into politics, because I have so much to say. Yea right. :roll: )
This is exactly right, and that's exactly what that guy Julian Glover used to do in all of his articles. Use a lot of words and flowery prose to say absolutely nothing at all. And now he's a political speech writer.
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