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England urged to pick up Wales' plastic bag levy 01 Aug 2012 20:18 #1

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www.businessgreen.com/bg/news/2195831/en...ales-plastic-bag-tax
England urged to pick up Wales' plastic bag levy

But environment minister reveals government could replicate levy that has been pioneered in Wales and Ireland

By Jessica Shankleman

01 Aug 2012

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The government has today faced fresh calls to introduce a levy on plastic carrier bags to help cut down on waste, after recent figures showed supermarkets voluntary efforts to curb bag use have stalled.

Eight billion "thin-gauge" bags were issued in the UK in 2011 at a rate of 254 per second, marking an increase of 5.4 per cent on the previous year, according to the Waste and Resources Action Programme (WRAP).

Significantly, shoppers in Wales, who since October 2011 have had to pay 5 pence per bag as part of a national policy, cut their usage by 22 per cent last year.

In contrast, English shoppers, who get their bags for free, took home 7.5 per cent more plastic bags last year.

Similarly, when Ireland introduced a plastic bag levy in 2002, plastic bag use fell by 90 per cent. Before the Irish levy, plastic bags made up five per cent of visible litter, afterwards it dropped to 0.32 per cent.

Today four environmental organisations – Keep Britain Tidy, the Marine Conservation Society Surfers Against Sewage, and the Campaign to Protect Rural England (CPRE) – have launched a campaign, calling for a levy to now be applied in England.

The Northern Ireland Assembly is due to introduce a similar bag levy from next year, while the Scottish government is also currently consulting on imposing a bag tax.

England is the only UK nation not to have a single-use bag levy in place or to be actively seeking to implement one.

However, speaking exclusively to BusinessGreen last week, Environment Minister Lord Taylor revealed the Department of Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) is still seriously considering introducing a national plastic bag levy, despite reports earlier this year that the Treasury had blocked the plans.

Lord Taylor travelled to Wales last week to learn more about the structure and impact of its levy, and he stressed that a levy is still an option for England.

"Devolved governments are to some degree autonomous and they have the ability to venture forward with these type of projects, and I think we can learn a lot from what they are doing," he said.

Samantha Harding of the CPRE said the evidence showed levies are an effective way of curbing plastic bag usage and litter.

"Bag levies have been proven to work in Ireland and Wales," she said. "A levy is coming soon to Northern Ireland and Scotland is already consulting on introducing one. Why must the English countryside be the last to benefit from good environmental policies?"

What do you all make of this? Didn't they try to guilt people into doing this a few years back in the UK? If not for purely ecological reasons, what's your thinking for the motivation behind this?
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Re: England urged to pick up Wales' plastic bag levy 01 Aug 2012 20:24 #2

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Yes, the superstores started charging for carrier bags, and claiming they were looking after the planet. Every single time I went in, I asked them why they didn't use bio-degradable paper carriers like they have in other countries for decades. I also pointed out that I needed the same number of bags to carry my shopping in regardless of whether they were charged for, so they weren't reducing the amount of bags used in any way, shape or form - particularly since they were such poor quality that you'd be lucky to get them home without the handles snapping, so they weren't easy to reuse.

They said they didn't know, and I'd ask them to ask their store managers.

I'm glad to say that Asda has knocked it on the head now, hopefully because their customers complained like myself.

I've still seen no evidence of paper ones replacing them though.
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Re: England urged to pick up Wales' plastic bag levy 01 Aug 2012 20:40 #3

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Excellent point re paper bags, gilly. I'm surprised nobody else has thought of that... :roll:

I had cause to venture into one of these horrid places today, and mentioned the piece above to the woman on the til. She confirmed that many "customers" were pleased about the prospect of being charged for bags, due to environmental concerns.

I went right off on one...I said "so, not only do you want me scan and bag my own shopping, you now want me to pay for the privilege of carrying it home, too?"

She politely smiled and continued scanning.

She won't be smiling politely when she becomes superfluous and has to sign on. Dick-head.
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Re: England urged to pick up Wales' plastic bag levy 01 Aug 2012 20:43 #4

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That's so true! Still, she can have a clear conscience believing quite wrongly that she was instrumental in looking after the planet. Many customers are pleased to be getting charged my arse! Many simpletons who share her delusions maybe.
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Re: England urged to pick up Wales' plastic bag levy 01 Aug 2012 21:09 #5

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This is yet another policy where I agree with the 'idea' but think the execution is in the least lacking.

Those plastic bags you get when shopping represents for me the throw away consumerist culture I cannot stand - they are often not fit for purpose - do not last more then one use and yet the amount of time they take to degrade means that though utterly useless to anyone or anything their life span is longer then mine.

Now the execution of the plan to remove them.... as ever the government in their infinite wisdom has decided to tax the use of the bags when the common sense approach would be to provide an alternative and get rid of plastic bags altogether.

Now I dont want to see those who make plastic bags out of a job but perhaps there could be a scheme with which to help those who currently make plastic bags switch to paper ones or another alternative.

it also needs people to change their habits - to remember to take bags with them - to not use those annoying little bags when packing fresh fruit and veg.

It takes seconds to make yourself a reusable carrybag from old tshirts or sheets - I make all my own though am still always forgetting them - once they have become too worn from use the bag becomes cleaning rags - makes me feel much better about the lifespan of the stuff I buy.

I would love to return to a time when stuff was quality and lasted a lifetime rather then disposable and quite frankly shite and made deliberately so in order to keep the money circulating.
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Re: England urged to pick up Wales' plastic bag levy 01 Aug 2012 21:13 #6

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Hemp shopping bags ftw! :D
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Re: England urged to pick up Wales' plastic bag levy 01 Aug 2012 23:16 #7

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I think to charge for those (horrible) carrier bags would be just another stepping stone to having carbon taxes (and more control) of our everyday life situations. It's another psyop. I mean if we believe in "carbon tax" on carrier bags, then we believe in carbon tax period, and it can then be introduced BECAUSE we believe.

The thing is, WE PROBABLY ALL AGREE ANYWAY that those carrier bags are a menace to the enviroment. All planned.

That's my thoughts on it AT PRESENT :emb:
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Re: England urged to pick up Wales' plastic bag levy 01 Aug 2012 23:17 #8

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andyh wrote:
Hemp shopping bags ftw! :D

And maybe we could do what they do in Africa, and carry them on our head ?
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