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Call Centre Employing Monmouthshire Prisoners Under 'Work Programme' 08 Aug 2012 23:40 #1

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-19184054

Row over Prescoed prisoners paid £3 a day at call centre
A union has criticised a firm for "bussing" inmates from a Monmouthshire prison and paying them £3 a day at its call centre.

Unite accused Cardiff solar panel firm Becoming Green of "Dickensian" exploitation.

Both the Prison Service and the firm denied claims workers lost jobs to make way for inmates from HMP Prescoed.

Becoming Green also said a "significant amount" of wages went to victim support.

It said it was "proud" to support prisoners' rehabilitation.

The row broke out over union claims of cheap labour - and the 40-day training period, when the prisoners are paid a £15 a week food allowance.

"Some employers must be rubbing their hands and the shareholders laughing all the way to the bank”

Andy Richards, Unite Wales secretary, said: "This looks likes a disgraceful and worrying development which follows the UK government's already discredited Workfare scheme.

"It is nothing short of Dickensian to exploit prisoners by paying them just £3 a day while Cardiff call centre workers lose their jobs.

"This company seems to be all too readily taking advantage of cheap labour.

"Not only is it fundamentally immoral but it's bad for the Welsh workforce and damaging to the Welsh economy."

Steve Gillan, general secretary of the Prison Officers' Association (POA), said that for any company to rely on cheap labour of prisoners was "immoral".

"Some employers must be rubbing their hands and the shareholders laughing all the way to the bank."

But a Prison Service spokesperson said: "Prison Service rules are very clear: prisoners employed by outside companies cannot replace existing staff. They can only fill genuinely vacant posts.

"Becoming Green have made it clear that the prisoners they employ are filling genuinely vacant posts and that no serving members of staff have been made redundant to make way for prisoners."

"We work in partnership with HM Prison Services and comply fully to processes and procedures set out by government legislation”

The service said the scheme employing workers at Becoming Green started in November 2011, when the company employed about 100 people.

In a statement it outlined:

The company employs more than 190 people, of which 23 are prisoners.
For the first 40 days, while training, prisoners are paid £15 a week food allowance.
After that, they are paid the minimum wage until released, but 40% of earnings go to a victims' fund.
If prisoners are given a job on release, they would get the standard pay rate which is about £8 an hour, the service said.
The spokesman added: "It is crucial that prisoners have the opportunity to learn transferable employment skills to reduce the chances of reoffending, and therefore turning them away from crime."

Prescoed is a category D open prison near Usk for male inmates, with work placements part of vocational training, as well as the prison operating its own working farm.

A spokesperson for the company - which provides solar panels and cavity wall insultation - said: "Becoming Green are proud that they along with other national and multinational corporations are taking on this responsibility to support the rehabilitation and resettlement of offenders.

"We work in partnership with HM Prison Services and comply fully to processes and procedures set out by government legislation."

The company added: "To reinforce the statement made by the Ministry of Justice we have just short of 200 staff of which only 23 are prisoners and once past training receive at least minimum wage - with a significant percentage of their income going to victim support.

"In addition no member of staff has lost their job to be replaced by a prisoner."
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Re: Call Centre Employing Monmouthshire Prisoners Under 'Work Programme' 08 Aug 2012 23:57 #2

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Re: Call Centre Employing Monmouthshire Prisoners Under 'Work Programme' 09 Aug 2012 02:10 #3

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Yet another example of what I've come to term as "Private Sector Conscription"
or "How to get around minimum wage legislation for dummies".

Gotta love the weasel words:
"In addition no member of staff has lost their job to be replaced by a prisoner."
No, because the person who should have got the job never even had an interview
because the vacancy was never advertised.

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Re: Call Centre Employing Monmouthshire Prisoners Under 'Work Programme' 09 Aug 2012 02:31 #4

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www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/aug/08/p...-staff?newsfeed=true
Prisoners paid £3 a day to work at call centre that has fired other staff
A business is bussing in inmates from an open prison 21 miles away and paying them only £3 a day to work in its call centre.

The Ministry of Justice (MoJ) confirmed that dozens of prisoners from Prescoed prison in Monmouthshire, south Wales, had done "work experience" for at least two months at a rate of 40p an hour in the private company's telephone sales division in Cardiff.

People working in the prisons sector described the scheme as "disgusting" and a "worrying development".

After establishing an arrangement with minimum-security HMP Prescoed late last year, roofing and environmental refitting company Becoming Green has taken on 23 prisoners. Currently, 12 are being paid 6% of the minimum wage.

When contacted by the Guardian last month, that figure was 17 – 15% of the company's call centre staff.

The company confirmed that since it started using prisoners, it had fired other workers. Former employees put the number at 17 since December. However, the firm said firings were part of the "normal call-centre environment" and it had hired other staff in a recent expansion
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Re: Call Centre Employing Monmouthshire Prisoners Under 'Work Programme' 09 Aug 2012 02:34 #5

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So they're just outright fucking lying.
Well colour me shocked. :roll:
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Re: Call Centre Employing Monmouthshire Prisoners Under 'Work Programme' 09 Aug 2012 07:00 #6

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Oh fook! Now it's been publicised, Tesco'll be kicking themselves for not thinking of it sooner. :mad:
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Re: Call Centre Employing Monmouthshire Prisoners Under 'Work Programme' 09 Aug 2012 10:33 #7

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If govt want prisoners employed then why are they not providing the work for them?
Too much effort I suppose.
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Re: Call Centre Employing Monmouthshire Prisoners Under 'Work Programme' 09 Aug 2012 10:45 #8

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I think Becoming Green need to change their name to Taking the Piss.
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Re: Call Centre Employing Monmouthshire Prisoners Under 'Work Programme' 09 Aug 2012 14:35 #9

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andyh wrote:
If govt want prisoners employed then why are they not providing the work for them?
Too much effort I suppose.

*cough* Jeffrey Archer *cough*

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Archer

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Re: Call Centre Employing Monmouthshire Prisoners Under 'Work Programme' 09 Aug 2012 14:51 #10

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diamondgeezer wrote:
andyh wrote:
If govt want prisoners employed then why are they not providing the work for them?
Too much effort I suppose.

*cough* Jeffrey Archer *cough*

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Archer

:D

Hehe, the walter mitty MP with a life peerage.
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Re: Call Centre Employing Monmouthshire Prisoners Under 'Work Programme' 09 Aug 2012 14:55 #11

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In North America, it's a poorly kept secret that most prisons are privatized, and many inmates are in effect slave labor. Industrial laundry, airline and hospital food, tool manufacturing, chain store furniture making, and those kinds of things are jobs that are done in most instances by inmates.

Bussing prisoners to the site? Why not just set up a centre at the prison? Not to be snarky, but taxpayers will probably be paying for that bus service. We're all prisoners...
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Re: Call Centre Employing Monmouthshire Prisoners Under 'Work Programme' 09 Aug 2012 14:58 #12

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Mandelson is another one. Never actually went to prison of course, but he should have done, the absolute twat.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Mandelson
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Re: Call Centre Employing Monmouthshire Prisoners Under 'Work Programme' 09 Aug 2012 15:38 #13

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This is the way big business works, unfortunately, and has done for some time. The titles 'prisoner' and 'temporary' are interchangeable imo, though temps are probably better paid by a fraction once the agencies have taken their share.

Isn't it marvellous to see our governments working hand in hand with businesses?

"Ministry of Justice"

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As Ron pointed out, this is quite normal practice in other countries. Doesn't make it any less disgusting, however.
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Re: Call Centre Employing Monmouthshire Prisoners Under 'Work Programme' 09 Aug 2012 15:39 #14

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The imminent future;

Unemployed.
No jobs available.
Refuse to accept exploitative corporate conscription placement.
Benefit withdrawn.
Resort to some form of crookery to survive.
Captured, jailed.
Sent to corporate conscription placement.
Serve sentence.
Released.
Repeat.
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Re: Call Centre Employing Monmouthshire Prisoners Under 'Work Programme' 13 Aug 2012 09:43 #15

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They'd better look out...

Man Forced to Work in Prison Sues Under Anti-Slavery Amendment
By ALON HARISH and ALEXIS SHAW | ABC News – Thu, Aug 9, 2012

A Vermont man suing the state under the 13th Amendment for the labor he was forced to perform while awaiting trial in jail will get his day in court.
Finbar McGarry was a graduate student at the University of Vermont in December 2008 when he was arrested for allegedly firing a gun in his home and threatening to kill his family and an official at the university, where he had recently lost his job. His lawsuit alleges that the state violated his rights under the 13th Amendment -- which abolished slavery and involuntary servitude after the Civil War -- when he was forced to work in the laundry for minimal pay as an inmate in the Chittenden Regional Correctional Facility in South Burlington, Vt.


The rest of the story's here...

news.yahoo.com/man-forced-prison-sues-un...news-topstories.html

He's suing for $11,000,000.00.
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Re: Call Centre Employing Monmouthshire Prisoners Under 'Work Programme' 13 Aug 2012 10:16 #16

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Meanwhile on this side of the pond....

Back-to-work scheme ruled lawful by High Court

A graduate has lost her legal challenge to a government scheme which she says forces people to work without pay.

Cait Reilly, a University of Birmingham geology graduate, had argued that making her work unpaid at a Poundland store for two weeks or risk losing her benefits was a breach of human rights.

The scheme was ruled lawful by the High Court, but letters setting out possible sanctions should be clearer, it said.

The government said its letters were clear and would contest that finding.

Miss Reilly's fellow claimant, unemployed heavy goods vehicle driver Jamie Wilson, was told that his Jobseeker's Allowance would be stopped after he refused to take part in the Community Action Programme, which his lawyers said would have involved him working unpaid for 30 hours per week for six months.

Lawyers representing the pair were trying to get their back-to-work schemes declared unlawful under article four of the European Convention on Human Rights, which prohibits both forced labour and slavery.

The judge, Mr Justice Foskett, however, said this was "a long way from contemporary thinking".

The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) said the comparison with slave labour was "ridiculous".

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Re: Call Centre Employing Monmouthshire Prisoners Under 'Work Programme' 13 Aug 2012 10:29 #17

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Hmmm - Finbar lost his case initially, but the judge's finding was over-ruled by a higher court.

I'd just like to add that the DWP are often 'ridiculous'. :D
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Re: Call Centre Employing Monmouthshire Prisoners Under 'Work Programme' 13 Aug 2012 15:02 #18

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So now 'workfare' has been ruled lawful I suppose there's no stopping it now.
Last Edit: 13 Aug 2012 15:03 by mint.
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Re: Call Centre Employing Monmouthshire Prisoners Under 'Work Programme' 15 Aug 2012 14:24 #19

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Then there's the 'Zero Hour Contract' scam.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19263787
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