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Empire state shooting, all 9 injured were shot by cops 27 Aug 2012 01:04 #1

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All nine people wounded in an incident when a man gunned down an aquaintance outside the Empire State Building and then was killed by cops were hit by police gunfire, New York Police Department Commissioner Raymond Kelly confirmed today.

The victims, who Kelly said were all hit either by bullets or "fragments" of bullets fired by police, sustained non-life threatening injuries. Two remain hospitalized, while a third was held overnight for observation due to elevated blood pressure, according to the NYPD.

Police said Jeffrey Johnson shot Steven Ercolino, a former co-worker, on Friday and then stood over his prone body, pumping more bullets into him.

Two NYPD officers, who each has 15 years on the force and no prior shootings, encountered Johnson, 58, a half block from where he shot Ercolino in front of the Empire State Building.

The dramatic and deadly confrontation was captured on surveillance video that was released today by the NYPD.

Johnson can be seen on the surveillance video pointing his gun at officers, who were eight feet away.

The officers fired 16 times, producing 10 bullet holes on the gunman's body.

Johnson had two live rounds in his .45 calibre semi-automatic pistol when he was shot, police said. They initially believed the gun had misfired, however Commissioner Raymond Kelly said investigators have examined the weapon and concluded Johnson did not try to fire on police.
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Bystanders caught in between the gunman and a spray of bullets were injured by a combination of richochets and bullet fragments, police said.

Witness George King told ABC News he watched several people around him struck by bullets.

"I heard multiple gunshots, I'd say about 12 of them," he said. "I thought they were firecrackers, at first. I didn't know what was going on. Everyone started running for cover along with me. The girl that was running next to me fell down to the pavement and, when I looked at her, I could see she had been hit in the leg. She was bleeding from the leg.

"I noticed about five people who had been struck on the sidewalk or the street," he said.

Both officers have been assigned to administrative duties while a standard shooting review is conducted.

The saga unfolded shortly after 9 a.m. on Friday in New York's bustling Midtown area and stemmed from a feud Johnson had with a former co-worker.

Johnson was seen lurking outside a building adjacent to the Empire State Building, ABC News station WABC-TV in New York reported.

The building housed Hazan Imports Corp., which had once contracted with Johnson to design T-shirts, police told WABC.

Johnson's relationship with the company ended bitterly a year ago in a dispute with the company's account executive, Steven Ercolino, 41, police said.

A friend of Ercolino's who witnessed the shooting told police that she noticed Johnson, who was wearing a suit and carrying a black bag, outside the building. She saw him walk up to Ercolino and without saying a word, fire five times at the victim and keep firing as Ercolino slumped to the ground, police told WABC.

Ercolino's father said he was heartbroken.

"Steven was a wonderful son. He was very good son and person," Frank Ercolino of Warwick, N.Y., told ABC News.

Police told WABC that Johnson legally bought his gun in Sarasota, Fla., in 1991. He illegally brought it to New York City, which has strict gun laws.
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Re: Empire state shooting, all 9 injured were shot by cops 27 Aug 2012 01:25 #2

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Re: Empire state shooting, all 9 injured were shot by cops 27 Aug 2012 02:47 #3

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they made this into a big fucking mess that it didnt need to be. 1st they approach a suspect with a gun in the middle of 9am rush hour, then start unloading from 10ft away.
i saw reports on this that the shooter had started firing at everyone, and then that his gun jammed, and now its the cops. it probably going to cost the city a lot of money, and those cops are going to feel like shit they hit innocents. they did what they had to do, but maybe they should remember their training.
unless they were trained by hollywood.
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Re: Empire state shooting, all 9 injured were shot by cops 27 Aug 2012 07:42 #4

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G'day Oioioi.

You really have to question why the police fired 16 bullets to hit one man. Talk about overkill (no pun intended). :roll:

From this situation alone, it is reasonable to state that the two police officers involved should not be allowed to carry around a gun as they are a menace to the general public.
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Re: Empire state shooting, all 9 injured were shot by cops 27 Aug 2012 09:04 #5

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When you watch the surveillance vids you can see the cops come up behind him, and they must have shouted something to him, that instantly put the shooter in attack mode, causing the confrontation that happened.

If these cops had kept their cool walked up behind him, grabbed the bag and thrown him to the ground, then there wouldn't have been 9 innocent bystanders shot.

Cities seem to have their own energy and with NY it is said there is a pathological mindset to the place, everyone on edge. :iitm:
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Re: Empire state shooting, all 9 injured were shot by cops 27 Aug 2012 09:25 #6

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they wanted play cops and robbers, I'm Dirty Harry :roll:
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Re: Empire state shooting, all 9 injured were shot by cops 27 Aug 2012 10:23 #7

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Re: Empire state shooting, all 9 injured were shot by cops 27 Aug 2012 12:35 #8

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Hmmm - what are they playing at lately!?!

There was an article a week or so back about police (in America, of course) tracking down an armed suspect, and stopping a lot of traffic at gunpoint (I think during rush hour). They handcuffed all the drivers to their steering wheels till they'd interviewed them all.

Thankfully, they did actually apprehend their suspect as a result, but it seemed to me like an extremely risky way to play things, and a miracle there wasn't a disaster in the process. Does the end justify the means? In this case, I'm not sure, since it could so easily have turned into a blood-bath. I think they should be thanking their lucky stars.

I'll try to locate the clip later if anyone's interested.
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Re: Empire state shooting, all 9 injured were shot by cops 27 Aug 2012 12:40 #9

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the way the news presented this, while it happened, they had baited breath and drooling over the idea he may have gunned down 20 civs in front of king kongs tower before cops saved the world.
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Re: Empire state shooting, all 9 injured were shot by cops 27 Aug 2012 13:02 #10

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Did they watch the police shooting the striking miners in Rustenburg South Africa and think bastards i wanna do that with my gun?
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Re: Empire state shooting, all 9 injured were shot by cops 27 Aug 2012 14:26 #11

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they made this into a big fucking mess that it didnt need to be. 1st they approach a suspect with a gun in the middle of 9am rush hour, then start unloading from 10ft away.
i saw reports on this that the shooter had started firing at everyone, and then that his gun jammed, and now its the cops. it probably going to cost the city a lot of money, and those cops are going to feel like shit they hit innocents. they did what they had to do, but maybe they should remember their training.
unless they were trained by hollywood.

Maybe they got their training from playing Grand theft auto? :hahano:
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Re: Empire state shooting, all 9 injured were shot by cops 27 Aug 2012 15:46 #12

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Wherever they got their training from, it wasn't good enough by far.

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