mikey mikey wrote:

I have no time these days for far right or far left.

Griffin was groomed by his father Edgar Griffin into nationalism .Edgar is grand secretary from welshpool masonic lodge.

nirvana wrote:
Start your "new focus thread".

I am very interested in fascism and the far right being used by NATO secret services and the CIA across Europe using the far right groups as terrorist cells since WW2 (e.g. Gladio)

So if it is all the same to you....

mikey mikey wrote:

Why dont you do a thread exposing the far right and the way its been used by NATO secret services etc. Be interesting . Far right and far left need to be exposed alot more so we can get out of the silly left and right mind sets that trap us inside mentally.

nirvana wrote:
I am looking into it actually. In the meantime this thread is dead in the water before it even got started so well done mate.

I'll look out for you when I get mine underway.

nirvana wrote: Dear Nirvana,
I've noticed that you use this smiley ^^^ a lot. I'd like to encourage you to ditch it.
Why?
When I read your posts, the use of that smiley seems to imply some doubt on your part as to whether your comments are acceptable/valid/justified etc. It sort of implies you are not confident in yourself and that can't be a good thing.
The way you see the world and think of it is your thing, your right and fuck everyone else (including me) if they disagree or agree with it. If it's right for you that's all that matters. Have courage and speak your mind freely and confidently. If others disagree, so be it.
Kind regards, dub.

EDIT: When dealing with the sket I find this smiley is wise to employ . Similar to but with an added layer of protection

dubmeup wrote:
Totally agree with you dub.

The few over privileged wealthy people who live in Britain will always aim for a fascist style country as they are petrified of the masses having freedoms and legal rights.

dubmeup wrote:

Yes fair point dubs .

humanspirit wrote:

These over privileged wealthy people look at everyone else like cattle wether they have a left or right wing badge.

nirvana wrote:
The elite always favour right wing politics,it creates class and division.

They favour right wing politics but they favour left wing politics too, [/nirvana]

mikey mikey wrote:

The trouble is left and right have become so close that its hard to make a distinction.

Many people tell me New Labour are left wing ,so does left wing privatise public services? and make lies to go and bomb and occupy different countries?

This is the confusion.

mikey mikey wrote:

The elite are beyond right wing or left wing politics thats for their cattle to keep them confused and fighting each other.

nirvana wrote:
"In politics, the Right, right-wing, and rightist have been defined as acceptance or support of social hierarchy. Inequality is viewed by the Right as either inevitable, natural, normal, or desirable, whether it arises through traditional social differences or from competition in market economies".

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics

The Anti human/anti social separatists ie the elite have defiantly used the above political definition,especially in the UK.

Lets balance things out and have left wing politics for thousands of years to even things up

humanspirit wrote:
This is what I see: any liberation from the wage-slave/ consumer slave system and working towards freedom from the yolk ofthe monied and powerful is labelled left wing whether it is or not.

Seen it IRL, DIF and i am beginning to see it here.

Fuck that.

Fascism is basically an extreme authoritarian centrist political ideology that uses fear and hate to control the population.
It embraces both socialist (govt ownership, command economy) and capitalist (wealth for a small elite) economic principles with the idea that all other nation states and peoples are inferior races and should be conquered or culled in a perpetual never ending state of war.
It uses a very large police force which has power to shoot on sight, uses the death penalty with aplomb and has total control over all media and education with extreme censorship of anything deemed to be possibly 'liberal' in thought.
Its sometimes referred to as national syndicalism and this is in fact the perfect opposite of anarcho-syndicalism NOT socialism/marxism because standard socialism is also authoritarian in nature.
Standard socialism is merely what exists in most of the EU today.

The hatred side of things is taken care of by manipulating the media and thereby the masses into blaming one particular national/religious/racial group for all the worlds ills, you can whip up the pot some more when necessary by adding other such groups into the hate mix as and when necessary. If such minority groups exist within the fascist nation then so much the better as the aggression of the masses can be wasted on each other instead of their true enemy which is of course, their own leaders.

National syndicalism is state ownership and control of the means of production. (A command economy which actually has 100% employment)

Capitalism has always been described as merely 'the ownership of the means of production', it has never been said whether this means a state, an individual (or company) or ALL the average people (the workers).

Only anarcho-syndicalism embraces direct joe public ownership and control of the means of production.
It could be argued that anarcho-capitalism does too but AC does allow for monopoly control IF AC is implemented under a situation that currently prevails for example. This is the blank slate issue that leaves anarcho-capitalism as being a bit of a non starter.
Socialism is CURRENTLY about a representative entity negotiating for workers rights under a system which is owned by an elite. This negotiating entity is the union which also usually lobbies government.
Various welfare packages of varying amounts are available from the government by paying taxes in to support it (yes even though the govt doesn't produce its own money and has to borrow it lol).
The welfare cushion allows for low wages by getting the slaves to pay for their own care, the incorporated entities do not contribute.

National syndicalism just takes the kids gloves off and all the pretense and gets down to the in your face jackboot.
An 'in crowd' of 'party members' still have enjoyment of all the wealth, the workers have to put up with what they are given, which initially is always very good actually, this is how the control method is implemented, first the carrot then the whip comes later on.
Military service is mandatory and war is perpetual to it, this is key to fascism, control through fear at all levels.
It utilizes the fact that unfortunately the vast majority of people are easily persuaded of many things and the vast majority keep the minority in line for the elite.

Modern 'democracy' (lol) still uses this method to some extent, its just not as obvious is all.
It is merely a means to an end. At the end of the day, our overlords view us as being sub-human creatures and themselves as the master race. You can see this with the likes of Gates, Rockerfeller, John Bolton, Ted Turner etc.

They are related to royal blood and consider that their line should ideally be ruling the entire planet forever (not just while they are alive etc).

They own and control the media, the companies, the stocks and shares, the land, all of it...and thereby control us.
This is the way its always been and this is the way they always want it to remain. Regardless of the 'ism' in control, it is always in control, it is always authoritarian and it is always serving the elite. Nothing about it serves us...nothing.

Thats my whole take on it anyway.

Hungary

www.economist.com/blogs/easternapproache...an-anti-roma-marches



Greece
www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentato...rigin=internalSearch[/quote]

USA

www.salon.com/2012/08/07/fbi_right_wing_terror_is_real/

UK

Read more: www.theweek.co.uk/uk-news/breivik-trial/...reivik#ixzz25VGqBpgm


Austria and Germany
www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news...ate-birthday-1293120

Nice post Mikey, this is the reality i'm afraid popular uprisings could be based deeply in right wing ideology, the treatment of the poor and disabled in the UK is bordering on Fascism imo.

You hear about Mitt Romney using the KKK slogan of the 20's? "Keep America American" things are getting quite real?

Fascism is the end game for the controller's, it worked well in Europe during the 20's to 40's because people believed in their governments, they tried it in America and nearly succeeded, if it wasn't for Smedley Butler. The problems was it went to far, Hitler became a loose cannon.

Now the internet has become the new war, a war for the mind. All they have to do is create the economic situation with a dumbed down population and a pys-op's from the Neo nazi/White supremacist, the kicking boy, be it Muslim's or Jews and in the next generation or so you'll have people begging for fascism, they'll call it something else of course.

Currently about 80% to 90% of people are on the internet, with about 70% using it continually for nearly everything.

Boots wrote:


Hitlers 3rd reich is still going strong never ended just shipped over to U.S.A. under operation paper clip.

I think they're on number 4 now