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Re: ATTENTION! This is important. PLEASE add your voice. 14 Sep 2012 00:05 #41

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They are just ideas Boots, trains of thoughts. I am anti-corporation, like you.

Yes personally I dont buy into AGW, I have followed the money and it leads to who I think is perhaps one of the most powerful corporations on the planet, being Goldman Sachs. And I am not alone in stating that GS is very powerful.

Money And Power How Goldman Sachs Came To Rule The World


So if an organisation supports AGW I will bring it up and cant help but have suspicions.

Has nothing to do with Jews. Those guys i listed are heavily into some of the same agendas and very vocal about it publicly, thats why I listed their feeds. One is a british MP of course, so in my mind they work for the elite.

As for listening to twitter...twitter is only the vehicle, I am reading what the people in those positions are saying themselves, not third party commentary. They say the same things elsewhere also.

There is no ONE powerful organization in the world, you may think so, but it is not the case for the tentacles of corporation extend everywhere and the average joe blow have shares in these corporations, every local council, police force, schools have money invested in different corporations.

You would have to list each hedge fund in every country, every fund management company, etc that are linked to GS to say they are the most powerful.

Off track a bit.

The stock market crash of 1929 was partly because of banks and partly because people were in a fever pitch of making money. The stock market got out of hand because greed become the motivating factor. It was insanity bought about by ordinary people, not just companies.
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Re: ATTENTION! This is important. PLEASE add your voice. 14 Sep 2012 00:10 #42

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There is no ONE powerful organization in the world, you may think so, but it is not the case for the tentacles of corporation extend everywhere and the average joe blow have shares in these corporations, every local council, police force, schools have money invested in different corporations.

You would have to list each hedge fund in every country, every fund management company, etc that are linked to GS to say they are the most powerful.

I did say "one of the most" :cool:

GS majority institutional shareholders are Blackrock Inc and Vanguard. Then the lesser ones. Who holds holdings in them?...rhetorical...I know we can never know the whole deal.
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Re: ATTENTION! This is important. PLEASE add your voice. 14 Sep 2012 00:15 #43

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No. I'm wise enough to know the best direct actions I've been involved in were formulated in the flesh.

Good for you, and I aren't being condescending when I say that. However some aren't in a position to do that. so you aren't wise enough because you have just generalized the position of everyone on your own perceptions.

It was a direct response to Gilly, you saw a generalisation.

Yes it was, I saw that you just generalized on the signing of petitions and there usefulness. Gilly also pointed out that petition do have an effect.
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Re: ATTENTION! This is important. PLEASE add your voice. 14 Sep 2012 00:19 #44

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No. I'm wise enough to know the best direct actions I've been involved in were formulated in the flesh.

Good for you, and I aren't being condescending when I say that. However some aren't in a position to do that. so you aren't wise enough because you have just generalized the position of everyone on your own perceptions.

It was a direct response to Gilly, you saw a generalisation.

Yes it was, I saw that you just generalized on the signing of petitions and there usefulness. Gilly also pointed out that petition do have an effect.

Can have an effect.

Next question, what percentage of petitions have made a difference?
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Re: ATTENTION! This is important. PLEASE add your voice. 14 Sep 2012 00:23 #45

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Spill the beans then Andy.

How the frick can they get away with pushing things through in secret like that? Things that are above the law?

www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Avaaz

Founders: Riken Patel (Rock­er­fella Foun­da­tion), David Mad­den (World bank), Eli Pariser (Demo­c­rat Party/​Barrack Obbanma’s staff), Tom Per­riello (House of Rep­re­sen­ta­tives), Andrea Wood­house (Wordl bank)

Avaaz’s lat­est 990 form,(3) from 2010, raises a num­ber of ques­tions. Avaaz has only 16 employ­ees, and is listed as a ‘cor­po­ra­tion’ for the pur­poses of the 990 sub­mis­sion. Oddly, for an organ­i­sa­tion that receives no gov­ern­men­tal or cor­po­rate funding,(1) Avaaz received over $6.7 mil­lion in 2010, and paid its Pres­i­dent over $180,000 as a salary (still feel good about donat­ing?). On top of this, in 2010 Avaaz gave Res Pub­lica (more on them later) a $100,000 grant. Avaaz is doing extremely well con­sid­er­ing this and the fact that it was estab­lished rel­a­tively recently, in 2006. Where is all of this money com­ing from?

Dumbarse watch doesn't know what the fuck it's talking about and thats typical of cunts on the internet accepting the bullshit at face value.

Because someone who has worked for any organization that is linked with a well know internet name they are automatically dismissed and have no credibility. 'They' must be working for the agenda, has to be doesn't, guilt by association, and all that..
"Since 2009, Avaaz has not taken donations from foundations or corporations, nor has it accepted payments of more than $5,000 (£3,100). Instead, it relies simply on the generosity of individual members, who have now raised over $20m (£12.4m)."[2] In 2011 it had around 50 staff.[2]

You wouldn't have known anything about it had it not been for avaaz. The multinational corporations would just seal your fate, without your knowledge.

Just be inactive, instead of pro active.


I know personally because I emailed the guy involved in running the place boots.
He's a shill alright.
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Re: ATTENTION! This is important. PLEASE add your voice. 14 Sep 2012 00:24 #46

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novum wrote:
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There is no ONE powerful organization in the world, you may think so, but it is not the case for the tentacles of corporation extend everywhere and the average joe blow have shares in these corporations, every local council, police force, schools have money invested in different corporations.

You would have to list each hedge fund in every country, every fund management company, etc that are linked to GS to say they are the most powerful.

I did say "one of the most" :cool:

GS majority institutional shareholders are Blackrock Inc and Vanguard. Then the lesser ones. Who holds holdings in them?...rhetorical...I know we can never know the whole deal.

Blackrock make GS look like small fry tbh. GS is just a big name and get the attention is all.
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Re: ATTENTION! This is important. PLEASE add your voice. 14 Sep 2012 00:31 #47

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Blackrock make GS look like small fry tbh. GS is just a big name and get the attention is all.

I suppose you could say corps like GS are the machine that does the work on the ground.

Yes the holding companies are larger and feed the machine from behind the scenes, not much is known about them as they arent 'out there' so to speak.

But looking at the machine is better than nothing i guess.
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Re: ATTENTION! This is important. PLEASE add your voice. 14 Sep 2012 00:37 #48

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Here's avaaz from 4th december 2010 by the way.
Check out the 'falseeconomy.org.uk' link at the bottom and the names behind it.

They totally ignore the facts and repeat the lies and ofc expect politicians to somehow take 'action'.

Ofc 2 years later and despite all their clickathons nothings changed.


The global recession has already plunged over 100 million people back into poverty and unemployment -- but this week, we could turn the tide of economic destruction.

Right now, French President Sarkozy, the new chair of the G20 group of the world's largest economies, is deciding the group's agenda. Over 300 top economists have urged the G20 to launch a coordinated global investment plan that saves millions from grinding hardship. But governments are doing the opposite - going it alone, slashing spending, and blaming each other.

President Sarkozy often seizes opportunities for dramatic popular action -- a massive outcry to him this week can persuade him to lead. Former UK PM Gordon Brown has urgently appealed to Avaaz to act - click below to watch his appeal, forward this email, and sign the petition for a Jobs and Justice plan, to be personally delivered to Sarkozy when we reach 500,000 voices:

www.avaaz.org/en/global_economy_gb_video_2/?vl

The global recession has already put 34 million people out of work and thrown 60 million people back into poverty, but governments across the world are doing exactly the wrong thing: proposing deep cuts to public services, implementing protectionist policies and reducing global development assistance – plans that destroy still more livelihoods and threaten our social fabric.

This is a familiar story: in the 1930s, amidst the Great Depression, governments sought to "reassure the markets" by slashing services and balancing budgets. But this backfired entirely: the cuts shut more and more of their citizens out of the economy, which only made the economic crisis worse. It's precisely when the markets are failing that governments must step in together to fill the gap.

We have already lost a great deal of ground, but it's not too late. The discredited economists who spurred the old bubble economy are giving way to a new wave of fresh thinkers -- including, surprisingly, the powerful International Monetary Fund, which is finally questioning its past insistence that countries in crisis cut their budgets. Brown and other prominent figures are making the rounds to world leaders to encourage this global plan. But they are the first to say that they need a mass movement to make it happen. Let's raise our voices now for leadership to create jobs and protect citizens from poverty:

www.avaaz.org/en/global_economy_gb_video_2/?vl

Economic collapses can threaten everything we care about. When countries turn inwards, they abandon cooperation on issues like climate change, fighting global poverty and nuclear disarmament. They blame each other and groups of their own citizens -- leading to xenophobia, conflict and, as in the 1930s, the rise of awful political movements like fascism. But cooperation can build success upon success: as we recognize that our destinies are interlinked, a joint recovery can pave the way to the world we all believe in. Let's seize this moment to raise a cry for that greater vision -- of an economy that lifts us all towards a brighter future.

With hope,

Ben, Stephanie, Ricken, Alex, Paula, Maria Paz, Alice and the rest of the Avaaz team

P.S. Winning a global economic revival will take time. But this moment, when the G20 is deciding its priorities, is a pivotal chance to make a difference. Join the call for a global jobs recovery here:

www.avaaz.org/en/global_economy_gb_video_2/?vl

More information:

The Challenges of Growth, Employment and Social Cohesion - Joint ILO-IMF Conference in Cooperation with the Office of the Prime Minister of Norway:
www.osloconference2010.org/conference

Analysis: Sarkozy to press currencies role for G20:
www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6850VN20100906

G20 urged to implement commitment to jobs, social protection:
finchannel.com/Main_News/Jobs/75493_G20_...commitment_to_jobs,_

The wrong cure. What experts say:
falseeconomy.org.uk/cure/what-do-the-experts-say

The Economy: Why They Failed
www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2010/d...ed/?pagination=false
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Re: ATTENTION! This is important. PLEASE add your voice. 14 Sep 2012 00:48 #49

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There is no ONE powerful organization in the world, you may think so, but it is not the case for the tentacles of corporation extend everywhere and the average joe blow have shares in these corporations, every local council, police force, schools have money invested in different corporations.

You would have to list each hedge fund in every country, every fund management company, etc that are linked to GS to say they are the most powerful.

I did say "one of the most" :cool:

GS majority institutional shareholders are Blackrock Inc and Vanguard. Then the lesser ones. Who holds holdings in them?...rhetorical...I know we can never know the whole deal.

There is more than likely other companies who have investments in GS. it's a circle that can't be unravelled.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_asset_management_firms

exploredia.com/10-richest-companies-in-the-world-2012/



So what do we do just sit back and take it up the arse? Or get out there and try and stop legislation from being enacted and especially when it comes to TPP.

Edit: You always bang on about Goldman Sachs.so cut the crap. :cool:
Last Edit: 15 Sep 2012 10:10 by Boots.
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Re: ATTENTION! This is important. PLEASE add your voice. 14 Sep 2012 00:55 #50

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andyh wrote:
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Spill the beans then Andy.

How the frick can they get away with pushing things through in secret like that? Things that are above the law?

www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Avaaz

Founders: Riken Patel (Rock­er­fella Foun­da­tion), David Mad­den (World bank), Eli Pariser (Demo­c­rat Party/​Barrack Obbanma’s staff), Tom Per­riello (House of Rep­re­sen­ta­tives), Andrea Wood­house (Wordl bank)

Avaaz’s lat­est 990 form,(3) from 2010, raises a num­ber of ques­tions. Avaaz has only 16 employ­ees, and is listed as a ‘cor­po­ra­tion’ for the pur­poses of the 990 sub­mis­sion. Oddly, for an organ­i­sa­tion that receives no gov­ern­men­tal or cor­po­rate funding,(1) Avaaz received over $6.7 mil­lion in 2010, and paid its Pres­i­dent over $180,000 as a salary (still feel good about donat­ing?). On top of this, in 2010 Avaaz gave Res Pub­lica (more on them later) a $100,000 grant. Avaaz is doing extremely well con­sid­er­ing this and the fact that it was estab­lished rel­a­tively recently, in 2006. Where is all of this money com­ing from?

Dumbarse watch doesn't know what the fuck it's talking about and thats typical of cunts on the internet accepting the bullshit at face value.

Because someone who has worked for any organization that is linked with a well know internet name they are automatically dismissed and have no credibility. 'They' must be working for the agenda, has to be doesn't, guilt by association, and all that..
"Since 2009, Avaaz has not taken donations from foundations or corporations, nor has it accepted payments of more than $5,000 (£3,100). Instead, it relies simply on the generosity of individual members, who have now raised over $20m (£12.4m)."[2] In 2011 it had around 50 staff.[2]

You wouldn't have known anything about it had it not been for avaaz. The multinational corporations would just seal your fate, without your knowledge.

Just be inactive, instead of pro active.


I know personally because I emailed the guy involved in running the place boots.
He's a shill alright.

So what did he say?

A shill...If someone who isn't aware of a global conspiracy and is stuck in the ' matrix', so to speak, then he would be just parroting what he knows or has been taught. It would have to be confirmed that he has secret meeting and not be guilty by association.
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Re: ATTENTION! This is important. PLEASE add your voice. 14 Sep 2012 14:06 #51

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I would prefer to think people who run stuff like avaaz are not THAT stupid boots, lol :)

The other option is the dark stuff that makes you want to go and top yourself.
He had a full list of url's , all of it on 'non-conspiracy' sites outlining FR banking, why its a failure etc etc.
All of it completely undeniable, he just ignored it. Taxing the bankers will sort it, don't worry it'll be grand :roll:
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Re: ATTENTION! This is important. PLEASE add your voice. 15 Sep 2012 09:48 #52

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Signed and shared...
thanks for bringing this to our attention

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Re: ATTENTION! This is important. PLEASE add your voice. 15 Sep 2012 10:03 #53

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I would prefer to think people who run stuff like avaaz are not THAT stupid boots, lol :)

The other option is the dark stuff that makes you want to go and top yourself.
He had a full list of url's , all of it on 'non-conspiracy' sites outlining FR banking, why its a failure etc etc.
All of it completely undeniable, he just ignored it. Taxing the bankers will sort it, don't worry it'll be grand :roll:
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They dont run it andyh, All the petitions made since 2009 have been by member's not the organizers. I posted that earlier in the thread.

Like I said he still stuck in that matrix at lot of people are and considering his background yes he was part of the 'group'. But by saying that then it would be like accusing every Jew who is in the banking system as being part of the Zionist agenda. :loco:

Think of it this way. If Rick was steering things then he wouldn't let this baby get any air play, after all it was a secret meeting and if your pushing through a plan the last thing you want is for someone to expose it. :facepalm:

Since SOPA and PIPA didn't pass or at least was put on hold then 'they' had to try and sneak this one through so that it would lend more weight to SOPA. but they were caught out., and doing so has shown what a bunch of sneaky bastards they are.
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Re: ATTENTION! This is important. PLEASE add your voice. 15 Sep 2012 10:22 #54

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I would prefer to think people who run stuff like avaaz are not THAT stupid boots, lol :)

The other option is the dark stuff that makes you want to go and top yourself.
He had a full list of url's , all of it on 'non-conspiracy' sites outlining FR banking, why its a failure etc etc.
All of it completely undeniable, he just ignored it. Taxing the bankers will sort it, don't worry it'll be grand :roll:
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They dont run it andyh, All the petitions made since 2009 have been by member's not the organizers. I posted that earlier in the thread.

Like I said he still stuck in that matrix at lot of people are and considering his background yes he was part of the 'group'. But by saying that then it would be like accusing every Jew who is in the banking system as being part of the Zionist agenda. :loco:

Think of it this way. If Rick was steering things then he wouldn't let this baby get any air play, after all it was a secret meeting and if your pushing through a plan the last thing you want is for someone to expose it. :facepalm:

Since SOPA and PIPA didn't pass or at least was put on hold then 'they' had to try and sneak this one through so that it would lend more weight to SOPA. but they were caught out., and doing so has shown what a bunch of sneaky bastards they are.

WTF are you on about? lol.
I was a member, I suggested the FR banking petition along with thousands of others who were members and it didn't happen.

You think members vote on it? lmfao.
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Re: ATTENTION! This is important. PLEASE add your voice. 16 Sep 2012 08:49 #55

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andyh wrote:
I would prefer to think people who run stuff like avaaz are not THAT stupid boots, lol :)

The other option is the dark stuff that makes you want to go and top yourself.
He had a full list of url's , all of it on 'non-conspiracy' sites outlining FR banking, why its a failure etc etc.
All of it completely undeniable, he just ignored it. Taxing the bankers will sort it, don't worry it'll be grand :roll:
:facepalm:

They dont run it andyh, All the petitions made since 2009 have been by member's not the organizers. I posted that earlier in the thread.

Like I said he still stuck in that matrix at lot of people are and considering his background yes he was part of the 'group'. But by saying that then it would be like accusing every Jew who is in the banking system as being part of the Zionist agenda. :loco:

Think of it this way. If Rick was steering things then he wouldn't let this baby get any air play, after all it was a secret meeting and if your pushing through a plan the last thing you want is for someone to expose it. :facepalm:

Since SOPA and PIPA didn't pass or at least was put on hold then 'they' had to try and sneak this one through so that it would lend more weight to SOPA. but they were caught out., and doing so has shown what a bunch of sneaky bastards they are.

WTF are you on about? lol.
I was a member, I suggested the FR banking petition along with thousands of others who were members and it didn't happen.

You think members vote on it? lmfao.

You suggested?

Did you make a petition?

Why make a petition about TPP and put it out there? What would be the reason behind it? I dont accept the hypnosis that it's rich against rich because all the rich people would do is buy share's into the one that will make more money.

So WHY alert the public to something they wanted to keep secret?
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Re: ATTENTION! This is important. PLEASE add your voice. 16 Sep 2012 12:25 #56

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Boots wrote:
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Boots wrote:
andyh wrote:
I would prefer to think people who run stuff like avaaz are not THAT stupid boots, lol :)

The other option is the dark stuff that makes you want to go and top yourself.
He had a full list of url's , all of it on 'non-conspiracy' sites outlining FR banking, why its a failure etc etc.
All of it completely undeniable, he just ignored it. Taxing the bankers will sort it, don't worry it'll be grand :roll:
:facepalm:

They dont run it andyh, All the petitions made since 2009 have been by member's not the organizers. I posted that earlier in the thread.

Like I said he still stuck in that matrix at lot of people are and considering his background yes he was part of the 'group'. But by saying that then it would be like accusing every Jew who is in the banking system as being part of the Zionist agenda. :loco:

Think of it this way. If Rick was steering things then he wouldn't let this baby get any air play, after all it was a secret meeting and if your pushing through a plan the last thing you want is for someone to expose it. :facepalm:

Since SOPA and PIPA didn't pass or at least was put on hold then 'they' had to try and sneak this one through so that it would lend more weight to SOPA. but they were caught out., and doing so has shown what a bunch of sneaky bastards they are.

WTF are you on about? lol.
I was a member, I suggested the FR banking petition along with thousands of others who were members and it didn't happen.

You think members vote on it? lmfao.

You suggested?

Did you make a petition?

Why make a petition about TPP and put it out there? What would be the reason behind it? I dont accept the hypnosis that it's rich against rich because all the rich people would do is buy share's into the one that will make more money.

So WHY alert the public to something they wanted to keep secret?

I don't get what you're on about here at all?
Avaaz wanted a petition for taxing bankers because they are a part of moveon.org which belongs to soros.
They did not want a petition done about fractional reserve banking despite thousands asking who were members.
Every single thing they have petitioned on thus far has been a waste of time in the grand scheme of things.

Where is the end all war movement? End all secrecy? End all poverty? End all disease? End fractional reserve banking? End all monopolies?
They're just keeping people dicking around.

How do you tax a bank when the bank has no fucking profits? IS everyone really that STUPID? Come on for chrissake!
Most of these blackhole banks are already majority owned by the bloody governments what a moronic idea!
The elite are just pissing in your face.
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