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A World on the Verge of War? 17 Sep 2012 07:44 #1

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Here's a big fat helping of doom & gloom, to brighten your day. :umm:

Not that I thrive on such things as fear-mongering at all, but in an effort to keep abreast of what's going on at present, I think this article might help folk who, like me, aren't too good at seeing things slotting together as overall strategies. (That doesn't apply to most people here).

The reality is, things aren't looking good at the moment.

Some of these individual topics are covered on threads here already. On the article, each has a link, to provide more in-depth information if anyone wants it.

A World On The Verge Of War?
September 16, 2012

Source: Zero Hedge

Here is a summary of where the world stands:

Unable to reach a compromise over the weekend, South Africa is now in an all out labor strike, with the police again firing rubber bullets at miners with lethal escalation guaranteed

Back from vacation, the once again penniless citizens of Spain, Greece, and Portugal have resumed protesting austerity

US embassies attacked, in many cases with numerous casualties, in Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Morocco, Sudan, Lebanon, India, Balgadesh, Indonesia, and others.

Japan "appropriating" China-contested islands provoking a firestorm of retaliation including demands for "war with Japan"
The Japanese ambassador to China dying mysteriously

Netanyahu telling Meet the Press Iran will have a nuke in six-seven months and must be stopped beforehand

Warships from more than 25 countries, including the United States, Britain, France, Saudi Arabia and the UAE, launching a military exercise in the Straits of Hormuz

A third US aircraft - the CVN-74 Stennis - carrier is en route to Iran with an ETA of about 10 days

And finally, a potential catalyst to light this whole mess on fire, Iran's Revolutionary Guard announcing that its troops are now on the ground in Syria.

From Reuters:

Members of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) are providing non-military assistance in Syria and Iran may get involved militarily if its closest ally comes under attack, commander-in-chief Mohammad Ali Jafari said on Sunday.

Jafari's statement is the first official acknowledgement that Iran has a military presence on the ground in Syria where an 18-month-old uprising has left tens of thousands dead.

Western countries and Syrian opposition groups have long suspected Iran has troops in Syria. Iran has denied this.

"A number of members of the Qods force are present in Syria but this does not constitute a military presence," Iranian news agency ISNA quoted Jafari as saying at a news conference.

Qods is an IRGC unit set up to export Iran's ideology. It has been accused of plotting attacks inside Iraq since the overthrow of Saddam Hussein.

Jafari did not indicate how many IRGC members were in Syria but said they were providing "intellectual and advisory help".

The Islamic Republic has backed Syria's President Bashar al-Assad since the crisis began and regards his rule as a key part of its axis of resistance against Israel and Sunni Arab states.

Jafari also said Iran would change its policy and offer military backing if Syria came under attack.

"I say specifically that if Syria came under military attack, Iran would also give military support but it ... totally depends on the circumstances," he said.

Next up: satellite photos somewhere "confirming" beyond a reasonable doubt that weapons of mass destruction are being prepared for usage, and a preemptive war is the only way to not only preserve peace, but to be awarded the Nobel prize in said activity.

What is perfectly obvious to anyone but the most jaded and biased, is that the West will use any opportunity of conflict escalation which in turn will send crude, and gas, prices soaring, to commence the launch of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve release, arguably at just the right time to push down gas prices, which as we showed on Friday have never been higher on this day in history. "Right time", because any SPR release will have the short-term benefit of boosting Obama's re-election chances even more, even if it means surging gas prices after the election.

The reality of course is that the bulk of upside pressure on commodity (crude and gas included) prices is as a result of the Fed and ECB's recent monetization expansion and liquidity tsunami, which does the usual: soothes the symptoms for a few weeks, crushes volatility and creates the impression that all is well.... if only to lead to yet another far more grave outcome. And since there is now officially no limit much debt the Fed will monetize, there is so no limit on how high commodity prices will go.

So while in reality any war, supposedly one which is "regional" and "contained" will merely be a smokescreen to the central banks officially taking over ownership of the insolvent developed world, the likelihood is that a war will neither be "regional" nor "contained" as both countries that make up the axis of a future hard-backed currency, China and Russia, have already made it quite clear that any intervention by the US in regions they themselves consider strategic, such as the Senkaku Islands, Syria and/or Iran, will result in retaliation.

And retaliation by one or more rising superpowers to another fading superpower, will inevitably lead to yet another World War.

Needless to say, nobody could possibly foresee war as the outcome to the global depression ver 2.0: certainly not the Princeton historian who will be, more than anyone else, responsible for it.

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Re: A World on the Verge of War? 17 Sep 2012 07:47 #2

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Isn't it just perpetual now anyway?
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Re: A World on the Verge of War? 17 Sep 2012 08:04 #3

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Pretty much, yes.
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Re: A World on the Verge of War? 17 Sep 2012 08:16 #4

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I think we are at the point where you turn on the news waiting to see what country got invaded today. Iran has been on the cards it seems for ages. They also appear to be getting their new cold war raging on against "the terrorists". We are so jaded now that we have no idea what peace is like although in America and uk we don't have to deal with the bad shit most of the time.
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US and Japan agree on new missile defence system

The US and Japan have agreed to set up a second missile defence system on Japanese soil in an effort to counter the ballistic missile threat from North Korea, officials say.

US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta made the announcement in Tokyo with Japan's defence minister.

But the exact location of the system has not yet been determined.

While both sides insist the system is not aimed at China, analysts say the decision is bound to anger Beijing.

Mr Panetta's trip comes amid fresh tensions between Japan and China over disputed islands known as Diaoyu in China and Senkaku in Japan, after Japan sealed a deal to buy three of the islands.

Japan and the US have worked on a joint missile defence system over the years. This new system would enable Japanese ships to cover other parts of the region, officials say.

"[It] will enhance the alliance's ability to defend Japan, our forward deployed forces and the US homeland from a ballistic missile threat posed by North Korea," Mr Panetta said.

In April, North Korea conducted a failed long-range rocket launch that it said was an attempt to put a satellite into orbit. Critics said the launch was a disguised test of missile technology, banned under UN resolutions.

Mr Panetta also discussed with Japanese Defence Minister Satoshi Morimoto the deployment of US Osprey aircraft to Okinawa, which has angered local residents concerned about safety.

Mr Panetta is on a week-long tour of Asia that includes China and New Zealand.
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Re: A World on the Verge of War? 17 Sep 2012 10:04 #6

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Excellent OP Gilly.

I have to admit I was reading the joining the dots from zerohedge yesterday and was mulling about saying something about it, but then realised how fed up I am with the escalation of not just the warmongering but the bank stuff, and now the protests about the films and a lot of other stuff.

I then remembered why I started trying to get alternative meet ups organised over at the other place. The writing has been on the wall for a veeeeery long time. My view is and has been for a long time now, of not if but when humanity will implode on itself so to speak.

Just to put in a bit of geopolitics here, if another country was doing what the US is....remember Germany WWII.... there would be an uproar form all western countries...but hey ho,,,no, we let the US Government (note I said government not the country and its people) just invade as they please and leave death and destruction in its wake.

I am not going to go into the minutae disecting and pro's and con's arguments/discussions/conspiracy's.....I have found my own 'peace' with all that a long time ago. The whole world is like a supervolcano about to blow its top....and we are ALL complicit and to blame for all and any of the events unfolding.

I am clinging to the hope that Mother Nature will beat us to it.....a chain reaction right across the planet which by its very nature will bring all systems crashing down around us all. It would put an end to all that is wrong and give us 'humans' a right royal kick in the arse and we will be reminded what is REALLY important in its aftermath. (Hope this answers the question you asked of me the other day ahoy oi....in case you missed my answer!)

We are seeing the people 'out' on the streets for many different motivational reasons and it is gaining momentum. We have all the Wall Street stuff to come this week just to add to the mix. As right for some people this is in their voice against the various 'machines', I have been keeping my head down and will continue to do so. Yes I have been prepping, I believe the 'in' word is, to the best of my ability and finances allow, and will continue to do so. As with previous world wars, the geolocation will be limited to the middle east and some of Asia. However this time, the military and political systems will be fighting on more than one front, and the 'war' will come to every village, town and city as people still have their 'domestic' concerns which will only be fuelled all the more if their country is dragged into a war I would hesitate to guess the majority of people world wide do not want.

It all so reminds me of the film Bugs Life I think....the ants v. the grasshopers.

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Re: A World on the Verge of War? 17 Sep 2012 10:16 #7

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Israel will launch a pre-emptive strike on Irans nuclear facilities eventually.
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Re: A World on the Verge of War? 17 Sep 2012 10:52 #8

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Prior to 2001 countries without a Rothschild-owned Central Bank:

Afghanistan
Iraq
Sudan
Libya
Cuba
North Korea
Iran

Post 2001 countries without a Rothschild-owned Central Bank:

Sudan
Libya
Cuba
North Korea
Iran

The countries left without a Rothschild-owned Central Bank:

Cuba
North Korea
Iran

Nuclear Threat


Iran Next
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Re: A World on the Verge of War? 17 Sep 2012 13:40 #9

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Sounds like people need to start behaving better, war is a human problem.
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Re: A World on the Verge of War? 17 Sep 2012 13:48 #10

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RealAmerican wrote:
Sounds like people need to start behaving better, war is a human problem.

A select amount of humans.
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RealAmerican wrote:
Sounds like people need to start behaving better, war is a human problem.

A select amount of humans.

Yea, no need for a select amount of humans to mess thing's up for everyone else.
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Re: A World on the Verge of War? 17 Sep 2012 15:50 #12

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Honestly, I think it's only a matter of time before everyone ends up in another world war... at this point in time humanity is incapable of getting along. Like children on a playground, arguing over who is on who's parcel of dirt as well as who pushed who off the jungle gym. There is gonna be another world war, it's just a matter of when and by that time no one is gonna be able to tell who started it.
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Re: A World on the Verge of War? 18 Sep 2012 16:59 #13

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Not long to go before we see whether this prediction is accurate...

Former State Dept. Veteran Drops Bombshell: WWIII Starts Sept. 25
Posted on September 18, 2012 8:34 am by dominique

Speaking with Infowars’ Alex Jones, former Assistant Deputy Secretary of State Dr. Steve Pieczenik says Israel plans to attack Iran before the U.S. elections of Nov. 6., and, that an attack on Iran will assuredly kickoff WWIII, according to him.

Moreover, Pieczenik, a man whose career inspired the character Jack Ryan of the Tom Clancy book series, says the ‘October Surprise’ will not take place in October. Instead, the big surprise will come earlier, in late September.

Dr. Pieczenik says the specific date of the strike on Iran is Sept. 25th or 26th, Yom Kippur—the Jewish holiday, which commences in the year 2012 at sundown on the 25th, and ends at nightfall, the following day.

“It [an Israeli attack on Iran] could be earlier than October, because we have Yom Kippur. And I predicted on your radio show, and I predicted to our national security people, privately, that Benjamin Bibi Netanyahu would start something on Rosh Hashanah,” says Pieczenick.

“This [prediction] was over a year ago, and I said it on your radio show. He was as predictable as a clock, and the Israelis will be very predictable, on Yom Kippur,” he adds.

Pieczenik says it’s clear to him that Israeli prime minister Bibi Netanyahu has already planned to attack Iran and has been desperately trying to enlist the U.S. to back him up. But, with or without U.S. direct help, Pieczenik is certain that Israel will attack Iran.

Moreover, he says Netanyahu is an extremest, who will “lie” for his personal and selfish cause, a conclusion also drawn by many Israelis who protest his regime.

“Everything Bibi is saying to the Americans and the American Jews is an absolute, unmitigated lie,” Pieczenik, a Jew, himself, says forcefully,

“What we have here is a collusion between Saudi Arabia, neocon Jews of America and Israel, against a president, who, whether I like or dislike, and may have lied about Osama Bin Laden,” he adds, “he [President Obama] is the son . . . a son of a CIA operative, the grandson of a CIA operative, who understands very well what the issues of intelligence are.”

With help from his neocon friends, Netanyahu threatens the entire world with the suicidal notion that Iran must be attacked, and the Israeli prime minister must be stopped, even if it means assassination, according to Pieczenik

“In a couple of weeks, they [Israel, Saudi and neocons] will try to initiate another war, unless their ex-Mossad operatives and their ex-Shin Bet will take out Netanyahu, and do to Netanyahu what happened to Rabin,” exclaims Pieczenik. “They know what I’m talking about. Otherwise he will bring down Israel, the world, and there will be a third world war.”

He also says, “What we are, is [sic] at the brink of war, that is being precipitated by two major countries. That is, Israel, particularly Bibi Netanyahu, who knows his country is failing economically, socially, politically.” And the other country is “Saudi Arabia.”

Pieczenik says the Israelis, Saudis and neocons were behind the 9-11 attacks, an accusation also made some years ago by many researchers of the incident. Once considered a crazy idea forwarded by some ‘conspiracy theorists’, who seek to see a conspiracy in every major world event, the conspiracy theorists have been mostly vilified, though no reinvestigation of the 9-11 incident has been seriously proposed by any member of Congress.

Today, the ‘conspiracy theory’, or ‘inside job’ theory, appears to be much, much closer to ‘fact’ than the account of that day was published through the official Congressional report of 9-11, giving rise to a strong possibility of a Mossad, Saudi and neocon conspiracy to carryout a false-flag attack on the United States and blame the crime on Osama bin Laden, Iraq and Afghanistan.

Given evidence of Mossad’s checkered past and involvement with the attack of the USS Liberty on Jun. 8, 1967, killing 34 American soldiers, Pieczenik comments won’t be received as a big surprise to many Americans.

I want Netanyahu to “begin telling the truth, that the involvement of Israel was, in 9-11” says Pieczenik. “Over 134 Mossad operatives were picked up on 9-11. The FBI picked them up [and] debriefed them. They were clearly involved with the Pakistani ISI and Saudi Arabian intelligence” on 9-11.

And, as far as the U.S. Ambassador to Libya, Christopher Steven: he was murdered by the Israeli, Saudi Arabia and Zionist neocons cabal, according to Pieczenik.

“The killing of the ambassador is to precipitate war, so that Israel can finally get into Iran and try to destroy Iran,” he says. “It will be the beginning of the end of Israel. It’s Armageddon for Israel,” if it attacks Iran.

“The Pentagon source informed me the distance between the Libyan embassy, where the ambassador was, and where the rioters were, was so large, and two days of delay in response . . ., simply that they [the killers of Stevens and three other embassy employees] were professionals ready to take out our ambassador,” he adds, and with the “approval from Saudi Arabia.”

Adding to Saudi Arabia’s involvement of the two-plane demolition job in NY City, the crash of another alleged plane into the Pentagon, and the alleged downing of another plane into the woodlands of Pennsylvania, he says, “Saudi Arabia and Israel are twins. . . . There’s no way you can separate Israel from Saudi Arabia, or Saudi Arabia from Israel. They go back all the way to 9-11.”

Then the subject of the killing of alleged mastermind of 9-11, Osama bin Laden. According to Pieczenik, the account of Navy Seal Admiral William McRaven and President Obama regarding bin Laden’s death in Pakistan is another unmitigated “lie.”

“Then we get to the issue of Osama Bin Laden, which Obama said incorrectly and lied to the public that Osama Bin Laden was killed by Seal Team 6,” states Pieczenik. “Admiral McRaven had lied, repeatedly—unfortunately, a decent admiral, but for whatever reason he repeatedly insisted on saying Seal Team 6 killed Osama Bin Laden.”

Pieczenik says Bin Laden had already been dead, and McRaven had known that.

And the names that came out of 9-11 unofficial investigation are, what Pieczenik calls, the “neocon chicken hawks” of “Paul Wolfowitz, Elliot Abrams and Michael Chertoff.”

He adds, “Chernoff, the Chernoff Group, which is nothing more than a cover for the CIA and FBI, run by Charles Allen, a former CIA operative.”

Moreover, U.S. intelligence was behind the uprising in Libya, the assassination of Libyan president Muammar al-Gaddafi, and the murder of U.S. Ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens, according to Pieczenik.

“Why this particular ambassador,” Pieczenik asks, rhetorically. “I think it’s very important for your audience to understand . . . Stevens was an ‘Arabist’. . . ”

He goes on to explain to the Infowars listeners that so-called Arabists are experts of Arabic culture, language and Arab history. But, these State Dept. professionals also could pose a threat to Israel’s ongoing propaganda war in a long-standing effort to elicit sympathy for the Jewish state.

Israel is no friend of America, according to Pieczenik.

He says, “From a geopolitical point of view, Israel is a strategic liability and has been a strategic liability for over 20 years. Since 1968, we have had no for Israel other than the fact it covered us under the Soviet Union on the eastern, southern and northern flank.”


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Personally, I don't see how we can have another WW when the last one never bloody ended.
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I think peoPle would get along fine if certain people didn't put so much effort into dividing us from each other.
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