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Re: France to temporarily close embassies/schools in 20 countries. 20 Sep 2012 07:31 #21

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^ That's sheer bloody arrogance talking, right there imo. He's acknowledging it's provocative - he might give that more weight if any of the victims of that deliberate provocation were his relatives. Because they're all somebody's relatives.

Obviously the violence and insanity can't be condoned, but what kind of tw*t goes out of his way to 'provoke' more of it!


We have two choices

Either make it illegal to make jokes or cartoons about certain religions or accept the consequences.


What sort of people are provoked into bloodshed due to cartoons or jokes about their religion.

Answer : The sort of people who have been attacking embassies and murdering some of their inhabitants of late, and dragging their bloody corpses around the street - obviously. Yes, those consequences seem well worth cracking a shitty joke over! *That last bit was sarcasm, in case you're wondering*.

And while we're on the subject, why does it have to depend on imposed laws? Don't you have a moral compass of your own you can use to work out whether something's OK to do?
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Re: France to temporarily close embassies/schools in 20 countries. 20 Sep 2012 09:23 #22

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West Attempts to Trigger Clash of Civilizations

September 19, 2012

Source: Tony Cartalucci, BLN Contributing Writer

Al Qaeda & Islamophobic bigots working in tandem exploiting fear and ignorance.

In France where people are sent to jail for "Holocaust denial," considered by law a religious hate crime, it seems strange then that well timed, raunchy cartoons designed solely to insult and inflame hate against and amongst Muslims worldwide would be defended vigorously by French politicians who claim, according to the Christian Science Monitor, that "freedom of the press should not be infringed."

With Neo-Conservative warmongers behind a recent inflammatory film titled, "The Innocence of Muslims," and their counterparts amongst radical sectarian extremists leading violent protests across the Middle East and North Africa, it would almost seem as if the publication of insulting cartoons by a French paper, "Charlie Hebdo," was part of a grander strategy to create a manufactured conflict between Islam and the West, setting the stage for more overt military operations to take over faltering covert operations in Syria and beyond.

France (and the West) Are Playing Both Sides

It is a fact that France itself has provided state sponsorship of terrorism from Libya to Syria, arming, funding, and politically backing the very groups taking to the streets, burning Western consulates, and killing bystanders, diplomats, and security forces alike. France had armed, trained, funded, and provided air support for the UN-listed terrorist outfit, the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) last year in Libya, in their bid to overthrow the government of Muammar Qaddafi.

LIFG had merged officially with Al Qaeda, according to a US Army West Point Combating Terrorism Center report in 2007, long before the French knowingly aided and abetted these terrorists in their bid to overthrow and overrun Libya. Currently, the government of France is funding and arming these very same terrorists, who promptly transferred weapons, cash, and fighters to Syria to begin terror operations there.

The report titled, "Al-Qa'ida's Foreign Fighters in Iraq" stated specifically:

The apparent surge in Libyan recruits traveling to Iraq may be linked the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group’s (LIFG) increasingly cooperative relationship with al‐Qa’ida, which culminated in the LIFG officially joining al‐Qa’ida on November 3, 2007. (page 9, .pdf)
France had recently announced its intentions to overtly arm these terror groups operating in Syria, now exposed by Human Rights Watch as carrying out systematic and widespread atrocities against the Syrian population.

The Hindu, in their article, "France to fund opposition in Syria," reported:

"Reuters quoted a “diplomatic source” as saying France had started supporting parts of Syria that are apparently being controlled by the armed opposition. More alarmingly, the report pointed out that Paris was considering supplying heavy artillery to anti-government fighters — a move that would harden the possibility of a full-blown civil war in the country."

Now France, through its media, and the complicity of its politicians' tacit support, is providing their new terrorist allies with something else - a causus belli for confrontation with the West to reinsert in the public's mind the adversarial plot device needed to introduce more direct military intervention where the covert support of listed-terrorist groups has now seemingly failed.

The Lie We Are Expected to Believe

What we are now expected to believe is that France, the US, UK, and other nations were benevolently, and unwittingly helping these groups into power, only to be betrayed by extremists.

In reality, the nature of these militant groups was known years in advance, these groups specifically chosen to lead the violent subversion of Western targets across the Arab World - with the possibility of sectarian genocide and significant blowback acknowledged as an acceptable risk.

In 2007, an article by Seymour Hersh published in the New Yorker titled, "The Redirection" admitted that:

"To undermine Iran, which is predominantly Shiite, the Bush Administration has decided, in effect, to reconfigure its priorities in the Middle East. In Lebanon, the Administration has coöperated with Saudi Arabia’s government, which is Sunni, in clandestine operations that are intended to weaken Hezbollah, the Shiite organization that is backed by Iran. The U.S. has also taken part in clandestine operations aimed at Iran and its ally Syria. A by-product of these activities has been the bolstering of Sunni extremist groups that espouse a militant vision of Islam and are hostile to America and sympathetic to Al Qaeda." -The Redirection, Seymour Hersh (2007)

Hersh's report would also include:

"the Saudi government, with Washington’s approval, would provide funds and logistical aid to weaken the government of President Bashir Assad, of Syria. The Israelis believe that putting such pressure on the Assad government will make it more conciliatory and open to negotiations." -The Redirection, Seymour Hersh (2007)

Clearly the West, including the complicit regimes of Nicolas Sarkozy and now François Hollande, knowingly funded terrorists. Hersh's report admits that all parties involved even in 2007 knew full well the potential dangers involved in funding terrorist groups but believed these forces could be controlled:
"...[Saudi Arabia's] Bandar and other Saudis have assured the White House that “they will keep a very close eye on the religious fundamentalists. Their message to us was ‘We’ve created this movement, and we can control it.’ It’s not that we don’t want the Salafis to throw bombs; it’s who they throw them at—Hezbollah, Moqtada al-Sadr, Iran, and at the Syrians, if they continue to work with Hezbollah and Iran.” -The Redirection, Seymour Hersh (2007)
For the West to feign that evidence Al Qaeda is now overrunning the Middle East is somehow an unintended consequence, when officials in 2007 were on record already implementing such a policy is indeed a bold lie. To help sell that lie, the West is calling on its Neo-Conservative factions, and in particular, dusting off their Islamophobia brigades led by the likes of Daniel Pipes, a member of the Bush administration, a Project for a New American Century (PNAC) signatory, and a chief proponent for war with Syria and Iran, as well as lesser demagogues such as Robert Spencer, Pamella Geller, and David Horowitz.

The creation of a sectarian extremist front to undermine and destroy the governments of Syria and Iran began under Bush in 2007 - Syria and Iran being the specific targets Neo-Cons like Pipes have ceaselessly advocated war with. That Pipes and his compatriots are now claiming the rise of this terrorist front they themselves helped create is somehow the result of a "pro-Islam Obama" is immense propaganda designed for the most impressionable minds.

The Plan: Flip the Script (Again)

In reality, Obama provided left-cover for a singular corporate-financier driven agenda, decided upon decades ago, and part of the reoccurring patterns and themes that define all empires past and present.

It appears that the public is becoming increasingly aware that the US has just handed the nation of Libya over to sectarian extremists and is backing brigades of these same terrorists, now operating in Syria. The operation in Syria seems to have reached a stalemate, with the further arming and backing of increasingly visible terrorist forces a politically untenable option.

It appears that the alternative plan is to flip the script once more, turning Al Qaeda - who began as celebrated freedom fighters battling Soviets in the mountains of Afghanistan, to reviled terrorists waging a decade of war on America in Iraq and Afghanistan, to freedom fighters seeking to oust Qaddafi and President Bashar al-Assad, to once again back to reviled, embassy attacking, ambassador-killing thugs.

Seemingly fully committed to tipping off a "clash of civilizations," the ground is being prepared for false flag attacks and preparing public opinion for more direct military intervention in places like Syria and Iran. The failures of the last four years of corporate-financier driven policy is being compartmentalized around Obama and will be flushed with his presidency either in 2012, or 2016 with the hopes that the agenda itself will survive and carry on.

An Obama win in 2012 would allow the West to continue funding terrorists more openly worldwide against the governments of Syria, Iran, and even Russia and China - blaming it all on "Pro-Islam Obama." A Romney victory would allow more aggressive, direct military intervention. Either way, the nations of Syria, Iran, Russia, and China will continue to find themselves in the firing line of both covert and overt foreign military aggression.

The overall agenda is global corporate-financier hegemony, the destruction of the nation-state, and the primacy of Wall Street-London dictated "international law" for an "international order" corporate-financier think-tank policy maker Robert Kagan concedes "serves the needs of the United States and its allies, which constructed it."

By recognizing the singular agenda front-men like Bush, Obama, and Romney cover for, we can expose the corporate-financier special interests truly dictating Western policy. By understanding that it is corporate-financier interests, not politicians, that drive these nefarious, overarching agendas, we can formulate solutions based upon undermining and replacing their power and influence, rather than becoming absorbed in short-sighted political battles that ultimately change only the front-men, not the agenda itself.

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Re: France to temporarily close embassies/schools in 20 countries. 20 Sep 2012 09:54 #23

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Hmmm, nice find.

Not what I had in mind but I think its very unlawful.
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Re: France to temporarily close embassies/schools in 20 countries. 20 Sep 2012 21:03 #24

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Gilly wrote:
nirvana wrote:
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^ That's sheer bloody arrogance talking, right there imo. He's acknowledging it's provocative - he might give that more weight if any of the victims of that deliberate provocation were his relatives. Because they're all somebody's relatives.

Obviously the violence and insanity can't be condoned, but what kind of tw*t goes out of his way to 'provoke' more of it!


We have two choices

Either make it illegal to make jokes or cartoons about certain religions or accept the consequences.


What sort of people are provoked into bloodshed due to cartoons or jokes about their religion.

Answer : The sort of people who have been attacking embassies and murdering some of their inhabitants of late, and dragging their bloody corpses around the street - obviously. Yes, those consequences seem well worth cracking a shitty joke over! *That last bit was sarcasm, in case you're wondering*.

And while we're on the subject, why does it have to depend on imposed laws? Don't you have a moral compass of your own you can use to work out whether something's OK to do?

Because unless there is a law to stop people making fun of religion then people are still going to make fun of religion. Islam is a peaceful religion but if people make fun of this religion then the consequences could be buildings being bombed.


I would also like to say the people who bomb and kill for jokes about Islam are not real muslims. Bear this in mind oi oi oi and mikey.

If we just had a law that stopped people making fun of religion then this would stop the problem.
Last Edit: 20 Sep 2012 21:06 by nirvana.
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Re: France to temporarily close embassies/schools in 20 countries. 20 Sep 2012 23:22 #25

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nirvana wrote:
I would also like to say the people who bomb and kill for jokes about Islam are not real muslims. Bear this in mind oi oi oi and mikey.

If you could provide a quote that would indicate that I (and oioioi) need such a reminder, I would be most grateful.

If you cannot, then I would like you to acknowledge that you needn't have posted the above.
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