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France to temporarily close embassies/schools in 20 countries. 19 Sep 2012 12:33 #1

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France braced for protest over Mohammed cartoons

France is temporarily closing its embassies and schools in 20 countries after a French satirical magazine published cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed.

"We have indeed decided as a precautionary measure to close our premises, embassies, consulates, cultural centres and schools," a Foreign Ministry spokesman said of the shut-down on Friday, the day of prayer across the Muslim world.

Issues of the Charlie Hebdo satirical magazine hit newsstands with a front cover showing an Orthodox Jew pushing a turbaned figure in a wheelchair with several caricatures of the Prophet on its inside pages, including some of him naked.

The front page cartoon had the wheelchair-bound figure saying "You mustn't mock" under the headline "Untouchable 2", a reference to a hugely popular French movie about a paralysed rich white man and his black assistant.

Call for calm

French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius criticised the move as a provocation and said he had ordered security beefed up at French diplomatic offices in the Muslim world.

"Is it relevant and intelligent in this environment to add fuel to the fire? The answer is no," Fabius told France Info radio. "I'm very worried... and when I saw this I immediately issued instructions for special security precautions to be taken in all the countries where it could be a problem."

The government has called for restraint over the cartoons, restating the principles of free speech in France and urging those shocked by the images to take action through the courts.

Muslim leaders in France, which has Europe's largest Muslim population, have appealed for calm.

The publication came amid widespread outrage over a short film that mocks the Prophet, which was made with private funds in the United States and has ignited days of sometimes deadly protests in the Arab world, Africa, Asia and some Western countries.

As outrage over the anti-Muslim film continues to fuel violence and protests across the Islamic world, French Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault said the authorities had rejected a request to hold a march against the film in Paris.

"There is no reason for us to allow conflicts that do not concern France to enter our country," Ayrault told RTL radio.

The French authorities sent riot police to protect the Hebdo offices in Paris.

Offices firebombed

Social media had circulated calls for a protest on Saturday against the film, after police arrested about 150 people who tried to take part in an unauthorised protest near the U.S. Embassy in Paris last week.

Last November Charlie Hebdo's Paris offices were fire-bombed after it published a mocking caricature of Mohammed.

In 2005, Danish cartoons of the Prophet sparked a wave of violent protests across the Muslim world that killed at least 50 people.

Many Muslims consider any representation of Allah or the Prophet Mohammed offensive.


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Re: France to temporarily close embassies/schools in 20 countries. 19 Sep 2012 13:03 #2

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I admire the Grand Mufti of Syria when he said that it is not possible to insult Mohammed and Jesus and that it only reflects badly on the speaker.

I also oppose censorship in almost all of its forms and certainly I disagree with Blasphemy laws as they stand across most of Europe (most countries in Europe have them).

France, apart from a few regions, has abolished their blasphemy laws but they stil have this:
Act 90-615 of 13 July 1990 or the Gayssot Act (named for its sponsor in the National Assembly) introduced a right to respond for any person who considers that a newspaper or other print medium has damaged his honor on the grounds of his ethnicity, nationality, race or religion. The Gayssot Act sets a punishment of five years' imprisonment and a €45,000 fine for the public expression of ideas that challenge the existence of the crimes against humanity committed by Nazi Germany during World War II as defined in the appendix to the London Agreement of 8 August 1945. (See Holocaust.)[3]

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_France#Holocaust
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Re: France to temporarily close embassies/schools in 20 countries. 19 Sep 2012 13:23 #3

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Wouldn't it be a welcome relief if people followed Gods and Prophets who weren't so fragile of ego that they needed puny humans to protect them from insults?
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Re: France to temporarily close embassies/schools in 20 countries. 19 Sep 2012 13:34 #4

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true feather.. its all a bit tiresome.

and thor was a little bitch.
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Re: France to temporarily close embassies/schools in 20 countries. 19 Sep 2012 13:56 #5

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batou wrote:
true feather.. its all a bit tiresome.

and thor was a little bitch.
*checks outside for vikings*
2016 588561da8b8eb4e6ad8ebd36c9c1b3 Zps09c8e063

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Re: France to temporarily close embassies/schools in 20 countries. 19 Sep 2012 14:16 #6

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Who drew up the pictures?
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Re: France to temporarily close embassies/schools in 20 countries. 19 Sep 2012 14:29 #7

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batou wrote:
true feather.. its all a bit tiresome.

and thor was a little bitch.
*checks outside for vikings*

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Who drew up the pictures?

Quite alot of info on the wiki page. It's not the first time they've done this type of thing, it's a regular theme to take the piss of prophets and they appear to have paid a price for that on more than one occasion.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo

The people who can't handle this kind of stuff are all fruits in my opinion. If they weren't so fucking dangerous, I'd find them very laughable.
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Re: France to temporarily close embassies/schools in 20 countries. 19 Sep 2012 14:39 #8

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The people who can't handle this kind of stuff are all fruits in my opinion. If they weren't so fucking dangerous, I'd find them very laughable.

Do you still believe that cartoons and youtube clips are the root cause of their greivances?
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Re: France to temporarily close embassies/schools in 20 countries. 19 Sep 2012 14:57 #9

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mikey mikey wrote:
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The people who can't handle this kind of stuff are all fruits in my opinion. If they weren't so fucking dangerous, I'd find them very laughable.

Do you still believe that cartoons and youtube clips are the root cause of their greivances?

No. Never did.
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Re: France to temporarily close embassies/schools in 20 countries. 19 Sep 2012 16:57 #10

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No. Never did.

:cool: and :sorry:
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Re: France to temporarily close embassies/schools in 20 countries. 19 Sep 2012 17:04 #11

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No apology required lad :psketti:
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Re: France to temporarily close embassies/schools in 20 countries. 19 Sep 2012 17:53 #12

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Sorry to do a 'copy & paste' then run without commenting. I was bullied into going to the flicks to see ParaNorman.

I thought the article was interesting in that it raises a few subjects, as noted by Mikey - freedom of speech, mocking religions, blood-shed for mocking or religions.

But that's all a bit deep and dark for me at the minute, so the only comment I'd intended making was - can you imagine the type of person who decides...

"Yes, people have been murdered in cold blood for such things before, and it's a particularly sore subject at present, what with the embassies being attacked and corpses dragged into the street & such like - but fuck it - I WILL exercise my right to freedom of speech by printing an unfunny joke. Bollocks to the people I offend, and the ones whose lives I endanger".

That person must either passionately want to line up another excuse for violence to occur, or have a giant ego and be the village idiot.

The mind boggles.
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Re: France to temporarily close embassies/schools in 20 countries. 19 Sep 2012 18:13 #13

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Gilly wrote:
Sorry to do a 'copy & paste' then run without commenting. I was bullied into going to the flicks to see ParaNorman.

I thought the article was interesting in that it raises a few subjects, as noted by Mikey - freedom of speech, mocking religions, blood-shed for mocking or religions.

But that's all a bit deep and dark for me at the minute, so the only comment I'd intended making was - can you imagine the type of person who decides...

"Yes, people have been murdered in cold blood for such things before, and it's a particularly sore subject at present, what with the embassies being attacked and corpses dragged into the street & such like - but fuck it - I WILL exercise my right to freedom of speech by printing an unfunny joke. Bollocks to the people I offend, and the ones whose lives I endanger".

That person must either passionately want to line up another excuse for violence to occur, or have a giant ego and be the village idiot.

The mind boggles.

They're all good points.

And it appears to be ego that's ruling this latest decision given the editors comments in regards to it all.
The newspaper's editor defended publication of the cartoons:

"We do caricatures of everyone, and above all every week, and when we do it with the Prophet, it's called provocation"
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Re: France to temporarily close embassies/schools in 20 countries. 19 Sep 2012 19:08 #14

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^ That's sheer bloody arrogance talking, right there imo. He's acknowledging it's provocative - he might give that more weight if any of the victims of that deliberate provocation were his relatives. Because they're all somebody's relatives.

Obviously the violence and insanity can't be condoned, but what kind of tw*t goes out of his way to 'provoke' more of it!
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Re: France to temporarily close embassies/schools in 20 countries. 19 Sep 2012 19:14 #15

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The British press have been told to clean up their act, now, the french press are playing up.

Has someone put them up to it? :umm:
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Re: France to temporarily close embassies/schools in 20 countries. 19 Sep 2012 19:27 #16

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silvershine wrote:
The British press have been told to clean up their act, now, the french press are playing up.

Has someone put them up to it? :umm:

It's a distinct possibility, imo. :mad:
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Re: France to temporarily close embassies/schools in 20 countries. 19 Sep 2012 20:12 #17

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Gilly wrote:
silvershine wrote:
The British press have been told to clean up their act, now, the french press are playing up.

Has someone put them up to it? :umm:

It's a distinct possibility, imo. :mad:

I see a pattern.
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Re: France to temporarily close embassies/schools in 20 countries. 19 Sep 2012 22:52 #18

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Gilly wrote:
^ That's sheer bloody arrogance talking, right there imo. He's acknowledging it's provocative - he might give that more weight if any of the victims of that deliberate provocation were his relatives. Because they're all somebody's relatives.

Obviously the violence and insanity can't be condoned, but what kind of tw*t goes out of his way to 'provoke' more of it!


We have two choices

Either make it illegal to make jokes or cartoons about certain religions or accept the consequences.


What sort of people are provoked into bloodshed due to cartoons or jokes about their religion.
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Gilly wrote:
^ That's sheer bloody arrogance talking, right there imo. He's acknowledging it's provocative - he might give that more weight if any of the victims of that deliberate provocation were his relatives. Because they're all somebody's relatives.

Obviously the violence and insanity can't be condoned, but what kind of tw*t goes out of his way to 'provoke' more of it!


We have two choices

Either make it illegal to make jokes or cartoons about certain religions or accept the consequences.


What sort of people are provoked into bloodshed due to cartoons or jokes about their religion.

You can't ban all of it, some are ok, heck, even some religious folk make jokes about it when doing talks.

Religion, I think, will always have its critics whether it be comical or serious.
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Re: France to temporarily close embassies/schools in 20 countries. 20 Sep 2012 03:51 #20

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Question from the back of the elevator:

Why all this crap right around 9-11?

Sure, private people could be taking it upon themselves to incite crap upon the world.

But.....in my naivete, wouldn't the far right wing pastors shout a lot on TV or something? Who knows?

All I do know is the poo is hitting it as far as I can see in MS Western media here in USA.

Still, there are plenty of private, loose cannons out there, which cannot be ruled out.
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