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Not a Conspiracy...Just Collusion 12 Dec 2012 13:30 #1

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20662412
A review of the murder of Belfast solicitor Pat Finucane has concluded that there was "no overarching state conspiracy".
Phew, that's okay then.
However, Prime Minister David Cameron said the level of state collusion uncovered by the report was "shocking".

Sir Desmond de Silva's report confirmed that agents of the state were involved in the 1989 killing and that it should have been prevented.
dictionary.reference.com/browse/collusion
1. a secret agreement, especially for fraudulent or treacherous purposes; conspiracy: Some of his employees were acting in collusion to rob him.

2. Law. a secret understanding between two or more persons to gain something illegally, to defraud another of his or her rights, or to appear as adversaries though in agreement: collusion of husband and wife to obtain a divorce.
Five areas of state collusion identified by de Silva review

1. There were extensive "leaks" of security force information to the UDA and other loyalist paramilitary groups.

2. There was a failure by the authorities to act on threat intelligence.

3. Employees of the State and State agents played "key roles" in the murder.

4. There was a failure to investigate and arrest key members of the West Belfast UDA over a long period of time.

5. There was a wider "relentless attempt to defeat the ends of justice" after the murder had taken place.

Sir Desmond found that "senior Army officers deliberately lied to criminal investigators" and that RUC Special Branch "were responsible for seriously obstructing the investigation".
What has to be involved in order for it to be a 'conspiracy'?!
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Re: Not a Conspiracy...Just Collusion 12 Dec 2012 13:49 #2

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To all intents and purposes there's no distinction is there. Both words involve back room plotting and action for nefarious ends.

The thing that always grinds me gears about stories like this is the amount of time involved to get anything like answers.
This gives the state a get out. It can say, "oh yes bad things happened back then", safe in the knowledge that it will be decades before the same shit they are doing now comes to light.
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Re: Not a Conspiracy...Just Collusion 12 Dec 2012 14:03 #3

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dubmeup wrote:
The thing that always grinds me gears about stories like this is the amount of time involved to get anything like answers.

This gives the state a get out. It can say, "oh yes bad things happened back then", safe in the knowledge that it will be decades before the same shit they are doing now comes to light.
Exactly what happened with Hillsborough. The government of the day then comes out and implies "bloody hell, that was terrible, we'd never let anything like that happen, of course".
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Re: Not a Conspiracy...Just Collusion 12 Dec 2012 14:50 #4

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'Conspiracy' a power word to be used by the state or avoided by the state depending on the conditions.
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Re: Not a Conspiracy...Just Collusion 12 Dec 2012 17:09 #5

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A bit of a timeline for anyone wanting the background.
Pat Finucane timeline: from 1989 murder to 2012 report
www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/from-the-...meline-murder-report

Ken Barrett talked about the collusion during the trial but apart from Finucane's family no-one seemed interested.
Double-teaming by the loyalist firms and the RUC was rife since the troubles began. Same with the Irish government giving aid and succor to the Republicans.

I gave up being outraged a long time ago, mores the pity. :(
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Re: Not a Conspiracy...Just Collusion 12 Dec 2012 18:28 #6

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What the frick do they think collusion means!?! :mad:
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Re: Not a Conspiracy...Just Collusion 12 Dec 2012 19:51 #7

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Was the libor fixing collusion or a conspiracy?

Who gives a shite really. All we need to know is that the banks worked together to commit fraud on a massive scale, that the central banks knew about it and that unlike if you or i feigned whiplash after a prang, these wankers get away with it...

Same goes for the story in the op and many many more.
Was it kissinger that went on about a rise in political awareness? I contend that that awareness includes being able to spot that cameron's attempt to tone this story down a tad by use of the other c word, shows that the british state is still at it. Still trying to protect itself from the people.
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Re: Not a Conspiracy...Just Collusion 12 Dec 2012 21:17 #8

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dubmeup wrote:
Was it kissinger that went on about a rise in political awareness?.

Brzezinsky.



It is easier to kill a million people than to control a million people.
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