humanspirit wrote:
The hope is that with the internet and tech promoting communication a growing number of people will stop arguing about petty individual issues and realise that money is at the core of most of what is going on and that it is also not sustainable.
I see TVP as the next step in human evolution and its pretty much inevitable short of us nuking ourselves off the planet. It just won't happen next week is all

humanspirit wrote:
Greatest Flaw in human history...imo

The NRA will say guns are a good way to hunt animals.

But this situation with LAPD proves human's are getting hunted just the same.

Why are they talking about gun laws when they should be addressing gun manufacturing...

Do you imagine this could turn into a witch hunt and any man who looks like the excop could be mistaken for him and end up in a bad way?

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Just talking about gun laws and possible reform gets people all jacked up and what do you get? People running out to buy more guns. Boom. Money in the bank. Now, take a high hand to the gun manufacturing companies and uh-oh, can you say cutting into the profit margin?? Kickbacks, lobbying, under-the-table money, meetings in secret locations, Hell meetings right out in the open!!

It's all about that dirty green paper.

humanspirit wrote:
Nah, it hurts bad enough having to plunk down that million in cold, hard on his head. They're not gonna risk fucking off innocent civilians and taking the chance on having to payout lawsuits/settlements for wrongful death killings. They're stupid, but not that stupid. But I'm open to being made wrong here.

"Barbour's Thoughts On Chris Dorner
2-12-13


Something really unique and weird is happening with Americans when it comes to their comments about the renegade cop, Chris Dorner.

30 or 40 years ago, had we received the same kind of News reports that the LAPD and the Media have been broadcasting, there probably wouldn't have been one voice in the country that didn't agree with them that he was a homicidal maniac. (And he still may be.)

But over the past four decades we all have literally been worn down to the point of disgust and exhaustion over the blatant, unpunished continuing lying, chicanery, and even law-breaking, not only by nearly every President since Kennedy, but by the entire Establishment from Wall Street to the Pentagon, the CIA, to Madison Avenue; so much so that there are huge numbers of people who don't believe one word The Establishment says about anything, and now are posting doubts on the internet about the real motives of the LAPD. 'Why is he not called an alleged killer rather than a homicidal maniac?'

'Why do they want him more dead than alive, like Bin Laden, to keep him from testifying in a court to things they don't want to hear?'

'What's with this 'domestic terrorist' and 'we need a drone strike' crap? he's pissed off like a lot of us for reporting on police brutality, then being fired!'

Some have gone so far as to form a fan club.

As for me, I pray. and I'm an atheist, that we get with Dorner what we didn't get with Bin Laden..a trial.

Bin Laden flatly denied any involvement with 911; the FBI believed him because they never put him on the 10 Most Wanted list. Had he had what America used to stand for, his day in court, we might have gotten closer to the Truth about that event. Instead Obama had him illegally water boarded ..right into the ocean.

We can only hope, for our sake, and the country's sake, not Dorner's, that he survives the already bungled military overkill, isn't 'suicided,' is taken alive, and does end up in a courtroom..so we can hear what he really has to say!"

rense.com/general95/barbours-thoughts.html


Jane

angelchemuel wrote:

Boom. Bullseye. Smashed!!

angelchemuel wrote:

Because that good old NDAA just ain't gonna sign itself into law, now is it??

angelchemuel wrote:
Three words Janie.

Never. Gonna. Happen.

And it'll go a little something like this:

*headline* "Dorner killed today in shoot-out with special forces team in remote California location"

Then, he'll live out his days being tortured in some undisclosed, non-existent "interrogation" complex where people like David Rockefeller can spank it while watching him die slowly. Or not....

phemohilia wrote:
cops already shot up 2 vans like 5 days ago cos it looked like his van. 1 of them nobody was hurt and the other 2 women were shot in the back and maybe the foot or the hand or something.
$$$

i say van but i think it was trucks

batou wrote:
Yeah, that was fucked up!! I was meaning they probably won't chance having that happen to any more people as they've already got a lot of eyes on them. Not saying it won't happen, but I'm sure they're being more careful not to fuck it all up again. Not because innocent lives are precious but because they're not in any hurry to fill out the endless stream of paperwork that comes with discharging their weapons. [Although I'm sure there's ways to get around following "procedure"]. And they don't want anymore bullshit "from the top" raining down on them than what's at all necessary.

I give it a week. If that.

TBF would these people have been shot if the human fear, panic element wasn't in the equation, ie if the investigation was conducted by remotely controlled drone, a computer assisted drone pilot would be able to get 100%id remotely far more efficiently I'd imagine than patrol cops.

It's quite interesting, in some ways you can see why police would oppose drones themselves, it's similar to the way technology takes the place of human workers in factories, supermarkets and lot's of other industries, drones could make expensive, unreliable and inefficient patrol cops and the job they do redundant.

Read somewhere but can't find the link right now, that they've now decided to use drones to find him. That will be nice for Obama considering the bill he passed not so long ago. Now he has his justification to use it... and so soon. Who'd have thunk it

Mike wrote:
Apparently, Dorner swapped his licence plates with the womans truck that was shot up and that's why they were targeted. Can't find the link for that either. I'm a bit shit at this today

Well, you can look at it like that, I prefer to look at it like Obama and his military intelligence are ahead of the game, that's what their job is, to be ahead, adaptive, innovative and able to counter any rogue/militia uprising scenario.

psketti wrote:
These Drones conduct surveillance, what the fuck the Police officers were thinking I don't know, they dumbed out big time, if they had sat tight and maintained surveillance, as a drone could have done, they would have seen two women exit the car at some point and could have apprehended them, think of these drones more like a mobile reconnaissance vehicle, they don't just fly around Pakistan or the Swat Valley blowing up every house they encounter, they conduct surveillance on suspected or known targets, imo if they were using drones the "have a go hero" cops wouldn't have been able to shoot two innocent women.

Mike wrote:
I see the "positive" side and a lot of the perks and even advantages in having drones flying openly over U.S. airspace. I just don't trust the corrupted powers behind them to remain loyal to the American citizens best interests and keep it noble. It will end badly.

phemohilia wrote:
Please explain...

.......... wrote:
I would also like to ask hy having spy planes wizzing about our heads could be a good thing.

Personally I wold like spy planes in every corner of government buildings in which they make policy. Straight streaming and on Youtube.

Except youtube would be public.

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I think Mike summed it up nicely in his last few posts. Essentially, to help out in police work. I mean, I still think we need "law & order". We need police, some form of military AND [can't believe I'm actually saying this] some form of government. What we don't need is the kind of fucked up corruption-filled system that we've got now and have had since probably forever!!

I think "bad guys" need to be caught and brought to Justice. I don't think many people here will disagree with that. And I think that police-work needs some help. Because they're certainly not getting it done right as it is!! But with the introduction of such measures [unmanned drones] there's a big, huge can of worms being opened up and I really don't think it's going to work out very well. Not for Joe Public. Not in the long-run. There's just way too much else going on that when lumped together with this, well it just spells trouble!!

So for all the positive aspects that these drones could bring, they drag right along with them a whole slew of bad, worse and downright unthinkable things too. All anybody has to do is look at the last ten or so years of what's gone on in America and it's not hard to see where things are being led to. That's just my thoughts on it.

Breaking news on Sky (10.20pm) Donner has baricaded himself in a log cabin and there has been an exchange of fire.

Jane