The thing with Andyh is he thinks he's the first person in history to think his thoughts, he seems reluctant to accept that his opinions are part of a Liberal enlightenment trend including the likes of Thomas More, St Simon, Fourier, Voltaire, Montesquieu, and Hume, Locke, Smith as you say, all with similar gripes about the Status Quo, authoritarianism and lack of "Freedom"in their times.

I think there is a tendency to react to "the establishment" as if it's some boogeyman that just jumped out from under the bed, it betrays a lack of historical class analysis, In Britain the Liberal Enlightenment and the Conservative Establishments coexist, with the Monarchy taking a back seat in actual governance for centuries, but it remains intact, unlike in most of the former soviet Union or various places in the world which have lead succesful Revolutions, France doesn't have a monarchy does it?

How is Brian Gerrish a neo-conservative?

Mike wrote:
See how he completely ignores the above definition of liberal thats in the dictionary and instead reverts to bandwaggoning with popular mainstream definition thats in total conflict with it?

There is nothing liberal about any of the politicians Mike, they're all authoritarian. Any ruling elite have always been authoritarian or they wouldn't be ruling anybody.

wake_up_bomb wrote: I use it in a historical sense and based on the man's work and own words, he was a high Ranking Naval officer in the Cold war.
"The term "neoconservative" (sometimes shortened to "neocon") was first used to describe American communist intellectuals who criticized Soviet ideology. From the 1930s to the early 1950s, many conservatives were strong non-interventionists and the Old Right committed to the concept of anti-imperialism until the late 1960s when neoconservatives began to endorse interventionism in opposition to the USSR."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism#Fr...th_paleoconservatism

If you base your political views on an ideology and not on reality then yes, that would appear correct.

When I use Liberal I mean the first entry specifically, all of them generally:

liberal
 
lib·er·al
[lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl] Show IPA
adjective
1.
favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
2.
( often initial capital letter ) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
3.
of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism, especially the freedom of the individual and governmental guarantees of individual rights and liberties.
4.
favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
5.
favoring or permitting freedom of action, especially with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
dictionary.reference.com/browse/liberal?s=t&path=/

Mike wrote:

OK so Brian Gerrish is an American intellectual communist who criticizes soviet ideology.

andyh wrote: Have you listened to Brian Gerrish?
Tell me why you think my term Neo Conservative, New Conservative is wrong for him?

Mike wrote:

www.oed.com/view/Entry/107863?redirectedFrom=liberal#eid

^Thats the English one.

Really? on a thread about Far Right Extremism?

Graphics always beats rational non biased discussion hands down, you win again andy.

The usual understanding of anarchism as a left wing ideology does not take into account the neo-liberal "anarchism" championed by the likes of Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman and America's Libertarian Party, which couples social Darwinian right-wing economics with liberal positions on most social issues. Often their libertarian impulses stop short of opposition to strong law and order positions, and are more economic in substance (ie no taxes) so they are not as extremely libertarian as they are extremely right wing. On the other hand, the classical libertarian collectivism of anarcho-syndicalism ( libertarian socialism) belongs in the bottom left hand corner.

I use it in a historical sense and based on the man's work and own words, he was a high Ranking Naval officer in the Cold war.
"The term "neoconservative" (sometimes shortened to "neocon") was first used to describe American communist intellectuals who criticized Soviet ideology. From the 1930s to the early 1950s, many conservatives were strong non-interventionists and the Old Right committed to the concept of anti-imperialism until the late 1960s when neoconservatives began to endorse interventionism in opposition to the USSR."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism#Fr...th_paleoconservatism

Mike wrote: I thought Brian Gerrish was just a bloke who doesn't like Common Purpose, has inside information about them, and this is the primary focus of almost everything he talks about?