Jeff Rense rants about our politicians' abuses but behaves like a petty tyrant. He postures as a champion of free speech but bans a long list of articles, writers and websites.

He condemns censorship and propaganda but in fact may be controlled opposition. All the while, he grosses over $400,000 a year. (To be fair, he does work almost 16/7.)

His website is an important center of opposition to the New World Order. In the face of this mortal threat, we expect someone in his position to unite instead of divide us.

IS JEFF CONTROLLING OPPOSITION?

I am finding that the alternative media is just as controlled and compartmentalized as the mainstream. If you do not catch on with some large aggregator, your audience is limited.

The jury is out on Jeff Rense. Certainly his hysterical reaction to Jim's Stone's thesis is very suspicious.

On the other hand, the biggest argument in his favor is: He has been trying to sell his website for a year and can't. No one will pay the exorbitant sum Jeff thinks it's worth. (He actually made comparisons with The Huffington Post which got $315 M.)

The bottom line is we can't afford to let egos or money interfere with the dissemination of information and opinion. The future is ominous and we need to put differences aside and unite on the basis of what we agree on.

But if a key figure is guilty of erratic, arbitrary or suspicious behavior, he should be exposed. No one will hold us hostage, certainly NOT someone we trusted.

I don't think this is much of a revelation, Makow simply has a vendetta against Rense because he stopped publishing his articles. Funnily enough, when Rense did support Makow, he never had a word to say against him.

wake_up_bomb wrote:
I'm sorta new to this, trying to sort out the Flakes from Frauds.....

we expect someone in his position to unite instead of divide us.

My biggest problem with many conspiracy sites at the moment is the blatant right wing and racist bent that alot of them seem to have. Both Rense and Makow are prime examples of this. Hell Rense even has a direct link to David Duke on his site!!!
As for Alex Jones, any respect that I ever had for the man has long since died. Its seems less like a quest for truth for him nowadays and more a business when he manufactures fear to maintain his fanbase and sell them crap like that bloody orange juice we see on every advert. Also the amount of right wing propaganda he spouts is incredible, he will turn the phone off on any caller that dares to espuse any left wing or progressive ideas thus destroying his own arguements about free speech.
The time of the conspiracy "personality" is over. Citizen journalism is the future. We are all the future.

Hell Rense even has a direct link to David Duke on his site!!!

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We are all the future.

It is his right to say what he wants just as it mine too. However when I say we are ALL the future it is very different to his view which only wants a future for certain people based on race or religion. Let him say what he likes, I and I hope many others will refute him as is our right. He can use the net to bypass mainstream media like anyone else. I just assume most of us have the brains to decipher peoples motives and find the truth of a matter by seperating the wheat from the chaff. Is this what your comment means? cause otherwise I fail to see connection.

wake_up_bomb wrote:
I'm sorta new to this, trying to sort out the Flakes from Frauds.....

Please pro­vide a time stamp in that video which estab­lishes that what you’re stat­ing is in fact what he is say­ing.

It looks like you an David Duke are singing from the same hymn sheet.

It was you that made that claim not me.

It is his right to say what he wants just as it mine too. However when I say we are ALL the future it is very different to his view which only wants a future for certain people based on race or religion. Let him say what he likes, I and I hope many others will refute him as is our right. He can use the net to bypass mainstream media like anyone else. I just assume most of us have the brains to decipher peoples motives and find the truth of a matter by seperating the wheat from the chaff. Is this what your comment means? cause otherwise I fail to see connection.

I claim I am radically different from Duke on certain principles. I was in my response to you merely trying to find these similarities that you claim we share and the only one I could find was freedom of speech.
I do not base my claims on your video as I had not even seen the video before you responded.
My principle claim for why I dislike David Duke is his membership and leadership in the KKK and the stuff he used to rant about in the past. Nowadays I admit he has toned down his bigotry and has found a new group of people to push his agenda at. I.E Conspiracy theorists. He uses our genuine concerns about who holds the reigns of finance and power in this world to instill his racist christian extremist views subtly into our minds.
I for one am not fooled. His main aim has always been and I suspect will always be racial segregation and he thinks that piggy backing on conspiracy theory like so many others will achieve him that aim.

Rense was born in St. Louis, Missouri and grew up in Southern California. Rense worked as a television news reporter, producer and anchor for Santa Barbara's ABC affiliate, KEYT-TV. He performed the same duties for two TV stations in the Northwest in the early to mid-1980s, chiefly Oregon NBC affiliate KOBI-TV, where he spent several years. He left the business after jobs in Oregon and at a Las Vegas, Nevada television station where he was "#1 rated Oregon TV news anchor." Later, Rense returned to Santa Barbara and opened several "All About Pets" stores, which he sold in the early-1990s. Rense is one of the world's leading authorities on the music and life of tenor Mario Lanza and he hosts an elaborate Lanza website. In 2007, 3 CDs of rare recordings of Mario Lanza's were released which Rense produced. [ [mariolanza.net/ Mario Lanza ] ]

Patsy Smullin has run KOBI-TV for the last 30 years, and her father founded it. If anybody would have known Jeff Rense and the supposed 5,000 newscasts he claims to have made, it would be Patsy.

As it happens, Patsy Smullin does remember Jeff Rense, and in two different telephone conversations I had with her over the past few days, she confirmed that he did have a position at her television station for a brief time as a reporter and news anchor. Smullin stressed that Jeff Rense, or "a guy calling himself Jeff Rense" (her words), was employed at KOBI (an NBC affiliate) from June 1983 to May 1984, and she is not aware of him working at any other station in the state of Oregon either prior to his employment at KOBI-TV or afterward.

Patsy had more to say. She revealed that in her experience as Jeff Rense's employer (and this is a direct quote), "He was not known for his honesty." Think about it. Patsy Smullin was Rense's employer some twenty-odd years ago. After all this tiime, the characteristic that has remained clearly in her memory is that "he was not known for his honesty". What does that say to you? According to Ms. Smullin, at that time Jeff was also involved in several court battles with other people. One wonders if it has anything to do with him not being known for his honesty?

When asked if she could elaborate on the comment she'd made regarding Rense not being known for his honesty, her response was: "Sure. He was a compulsive liar." Also, when questioned as to the claim that Jeff anchored and produced "5000 newscasts," Patsy Smullin laughed heartily and stated, "This is absolutely false. He never did that here." Okay, if not at KOBI-TV, then where? Perhaps Jeff Rense will reveal this to us all at some point so we can check it out.

But on his own website, Jeff Rense claims to have been an award winning news director and TV news anchor for 10-12 years (accounts vary). If not at KOBI, then where?

An American Treasure

"...an award-winning television News Director and News Anchor for over ten years, Jeff continually pushed for higher standards of journalism and responsible, intelligent reporting and inquiry. Regrettably, those goals were often at odds with the irrevocable TV news obsession for tabloid exploitation of the trivial, the tragic and the sensational. The situation became so dubious and distasteful that one day he walked away from his highly-successful news anchor/news director career (as high as a 53 Share of the audience - Nielsen) and moved to radio, recognizing it as the last viable approach to bringing reality to the American public...and now with the internet, to the world."

Interesting that Rense declares himself to have worked as a news director and TV news anchor. An online search to verify this claim will return only Jeff's words - repeated endlessly ad nauseum - as to the truthfulness of this assertion. There is literally no data to substantiate this claim anywhere on the Internet. The claim exists only on the Rense website and a few other websites that have copied and pasted the Rense claims onto their own pages.

Here's another variation on the same theme: Jeff Rense Hosts Sightings

"During 12 years as an award-winning broadcast journalist, Jeff anchored and produced more than 5,000 television newscasts. This devoted single dad is also author of the book AIDS Exposed and passionately investigates ways to prevent diseases and extend life. His brother is Rip Rense, longtime reporter for the Los Angeles Times. Jeff first did radio while an education major at the University of California Santa Barbara, and in 1994 he returned to this first love with the talk radio show "End of the Line." In 1997, by agreement with Henry ("the Fonz") Winkler and Paramount Pictures, this show transformed into the ratings star "Sightings."

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Based on the following article he was a former news anchor at KOBI-TV. However, if one searches KOBI, there is no information on the former popular TV news anchor/news director Jeff Rense to be found.

The Truth Is Up There

"Presiding over this conspiratorial miasma is talk-radio host Jeff Rense, whose weeknight show, Sightings, is broadcast from a studio somewhere in Southern Oregon. (Citing threats to his life, Rense asked WW not to print his exact location.) Five nights a week, millions of Americans (including an estimated 21,000 Portlanders) in 120 cities tune in to Rense to catch up on the latest news on alien abduction, Bigfoot, paranormal phenomena--and chemtrails. A former news anchor at KOBI-TV in Medford, Rense began to hear reports of chemtrails in 1999."

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The above page also says:

"...By the late 1980s, Rense had worked for a handful of network affiliates in the West. He said his ratings were high, and he got 'lucrative offers' from several Oregon stations. But he had also become disillusioned with TV news and decided to quit the business...." "...After walking away from his TV career path, Rense returned to Santa Barbara and opened three pet stores..."

"...By the early 1990s, he had sold his All About Pets outlets and in 1994 approached KTMS with his idea for a talk-radio show, or at least his version of one..."

A Professional Broadcast Journalist

"As an award-winning broadcast journalist, Mr. Rense has anchored and produced well over 5,000 live 30-and 60-minute television newscasts... He began his End of the Line radio show which is now in its fourth highly successful year. Recently, the End of the Line was acquired by the Premiere Radio Networks, one of the top two radio syndicators in the U.S., and renamed Sightings On The Radio through an agreement with Paramount."

"As a journalist and private citizen, he became aware of the misinformation and propaganda surrounding the worldwide AIDS epidemic. Devoting three years of his life to researching, collecting, and compiling information, Mr. Rense authored the underground best-seller, AIDS Exposed, published in 1996. This 420-page book has been acclaimed as 'overwhelming,' 'invaluable' and 'the supreme public service' by broadcasters, medical professionals, and educators alike. Appearing on scores of radio and TV talk shows as an author, Mr. Rense has also been invited to lecture at such institutions as the University of California and USC. He has also written numerous articles, papers, and reports on a wide range of subjects and acts as a consultant on many different issues."

Rense's radio show "End of the Line" was renamed "Sightings on the Radio" with Paramount's backing.

An extensive online search for articles, journalistic reports and papers from Rense's purported pre-Rense.com prior journalism career yields nothing.

How can this possibly be if he has written 'numerous articles, papers and reports'? His book, AIDS Exposed, does not appear to be available anymore, with the exception of potential availability of a random used copy, if you're lucky.

A search on the publisher of this book, Bioalert Press, coughs up nothing as far as any listing for a company website. The top link on Google search for Bioalert Press says: Bookstore-- Balaam's Ass Suggests you Read These Good Books-- Health AIDS Exposed-- Jeffrey Rense-- BioAlert Press-- Order from Jeffrey Rense, Box 764, Goleta, CA 93116. www.balaams-ass.com/bookstor/health.htm -

The above Google link would not come up for me in multiple attempts on different days. Regarding the Balaam's Ass link, one has to order the book directly from Jeff Rense. Is Bioalert Press really just Rense? Has anyone out there ever heard of BioAlert Press?

I find it very ironic that Rense claims to have become so disillusioned with the nature of the mainstream news broadcast business and its inclination to report tabloid style and sensationalistic material, when all anyone has to do is peruse the Rense.com website for 10 minutes to realize that this well-funded site - funded by the same mainstream businesses that Rense claims to detest - is full of nothing but a never-ending series of sensationalistic, tabloid-type, speculative, unsubstantiated or fabricated "news" articles. I have to ask: Is it only wrong, disillusioning and distasteful when "other" people do it, Jeff? Or are you doing it for them?

Furthermore, online searches for any evidence of Jeff Rense's longstanding claims regarding his extremely elusive broadcast journalism career path result in even more dead ends. There is an article on the Rense website entitled "The Most Dangerous Man in Talk Radio", authored by an alleged LA writer named Kennedy Grey.

In this article, Kennedy Grey tells us, "When Jeff Rense walked away from a #1 rated Oregon TV news anchor position, people suspected job burnout. But Rense wasn't burned out on his job - his dissatisfaction was with the entire news media mainstream itself. Grey also states that Jeff spent "Twelve years as on on-air news anchor and News Director "up and down the west coast". Grey further says, "Rense set out to re-invent himself into a liberator of truth from the confines of a corrupt and bloated news broadcast industry." He directly quotes Jeff Rense, who states that "Radio is theatre of the mind - a classroom of the mind."

Very interesting comments, aren't they? The news anchor/news director statement is impossible to verify via the Internet, and thus far Jeff Rense is not forthcoming with information in spite of email sent to him containing a link to our website inquiry dated Friday, May 26, 2006 entitled Who is "Jeff Rense"?.

Does anyone have a copy of any of these 5,000 Jeff Rense newscasts? We'd sure like to see one. Thus far, we have not been able to locate anyone other than one person who remembers seeing Jeff Rense anchoring a TV newscast.

Only one TV news station's call letters has been identified thus far. KOBI-TV 5 out of Medford, Oregon, which is an NBC affiliate. Pretty slim pickings. Nevertheless, I made a few phone calls to Medford, Oregon. One would think that as popular as Jeff Rense supposedly was, surely someone would remember him from the 1980s - particularly if he had produced and anchored 5000 newscasts up and down the West Coast. I contacted the Mail Tribune and spoke with an employee in the newsroom there. She had never heard of Oregon's (former) #1 top rated news anchor, Jeff Rense. I'm awaiting a call back from Bob Hunter, editor of the Mail Tribune newspaper, to see if he has any recollections on this matter.

"5000 newscasts" is a lot of face-time, wouldn't you agree?

Three calls to Rense's former place of employment, KOBI-TV, speaking to four people who worked there didn't help Rense very much. The first three individuals I spoke to had never heard of Jeff Rense and have no idea who he is. The fourth person was the owner of KOBI-TV, Patsy Smullin.

Jeff claims to have left KOBI due to his disillusionment with the mainstream news business and the tendency of TV news to sensationalize and dip into tabloid reporting, as stated above. I read Jeff's published claims about this to Patsy Smullin. She responded, "That's not the reason he gave to us at all. He said he was leaving to join his wife in their pet store." (I am currently checking out the pet store information.)

Overall, Patsy Smullin did not give the impression that Jeff Rense had been a good employee while at KOBI-TV. In fact, her remarks lead one to believe that he was dishonest and untrustworthy. It was all I could do to restrain myself from asking if he conducted newscasts while wearing a wig.

The question we are entitled to ask is: why would Jeff Rense make so many claims about himself, and why would he twist the truth and make public assertions that are simply not true? Isn't the "reinvented Jeff Rense" supposed to be all about truth and realism as opposed to sensationalistic, tabloid-style garbage? If one looks through his massive website, is it conceivable that a person might have some difficulty trying to discern the difference between Rense shinola and honest-to-god truth? Where does one end and the other begin? Furthermore, is Jeff Rense the person we really want to ask? Maybe that's a little like asking the Bush Gang to investigate 911? (Oh, right! That's already been done. Vanity Fair called it a "whitewash.")

"Jeff Rense" is a familiar name to countless political/conspiracy talk radio listeners and web surfers. In these circles, virtually everyone has heard of Rense.com. What very few people realize, or have even stopped to think about, is that very little is known about Jeff Rense himself. The available online biographical information is vague and deals in generalities, and has been copied and pasted from one web page to another over the years. The Rense legend has been dished out for public consumption in small, measured doses over time in word-bytes, with hardly anyone daring to openly question its veracity. Rense fans embrace, and often even vehemently defend the legend; those who don't end up being ridiculed and attacked. That's a curious feature of Rense's position as a "Don of Conspiracy Theory."

Jeff Rense is an interesting guy, wouldn't you say? He's almost a "legend," and is even listed on a government site as the number one purveyor of "misinformation." That's quite an accomplishment in a world where "conspiracy theories" are mostly ignored and/or ridiculed. You could even say that it's very good PR to get on such a list.

My curiosity about Jeff Rense began to grow when I realized that he has maintained a large Internet presence for over a decade, and despite this, there is virtually no information on him other than that which one finds on his website. How has Jeff Rense managed to keep information about himself off the world wide web all these years? That's an interesting question.

We live in a time that discourages curiosity about the 'wrong" topics - that's a hallmark of the Fascist Bushistas - and it seems that questioning Rense is definitely "off limits". We have to wonder why that is? Asking questions about the 'wrong" people is treated almost as sacrilege. We love to hold our heroes and gurus high, don't we? But we have learned the hard way that questions are only discouraged by those who have something to hide.

What could such a nice guy, such a great "patriot" as Jeff Rense possibly have to hide?

After spending some time combing through his claims and trying to find verification, I began to realize that "Jeff Rense" is little more than a reinvention. He has made some very interesting claims over the years, particularly with respect to his former stints in broadcasting and journalism; claims that served as building blocks in the creation of a legend, a legend constructed from the twisting of truth.

Well, let's look at "Jeff Rense" shall we?

Claim #1: On the Rense.com homepage, we see the following:

"7-time Peabody Award Nominee"

Rense Peabody Talkers claim

Peabody Awards

Truth: The Rense.com website claims 7 Peabody Award nominations. The Peabody Awards do not have nominees. Anyone can fill out an entry, and then later the winners are announced. The following is an email from the Peabody Awards Foundation:

"The Peabody Awards program receives between 1,000 and 1,200 entries each year. We have a 15 member judging panel that meets several times during the judging season, as well as listening to/watching entries alone in their homes. They discuss all entries as a group, usually awarding between 30 and 35 Peabodys each year. There are no set number of awards given, and the board does not choose winners according to categories. We do not have a list of finalists or "nominees" as other awards programs have.

Basically we have entrants and winners.

Danna L. Williams Senior Administrative Assistant, emailed Feb. 6th 2006 "

In other words, you could nominate me, I could nominate you, and we could all nominate Bozo the Clown. The Peabody panel will most likely be interested in these suggestions, but ultimately it is THEY who choose the winners - not the public. There are no official lists of "nominees". Rense's website claim to be a "7 Time Peabody Award Nominee" is not only misleading, it means essentially nothing. It is presented to create a false impression of Rense's achievements, basically it's deceptive bullshit.

Talkers Magazine

Claim # 2: The Rense website states: "Talkers magazine top 100 Host"

Talkers Magazine 'Heavy Hundred'

Truth: Please note that Jeff Rense isn't listed in the top 100, and he isn't even listed in the additional 250 names cited in the rest of Talkers Top Radio Show Host picks for 2006. Rense failed to make the cut for 2005, 2004, 2003, 2002, etc. Rense was on the list once about 6 or 7 years ago, according to a response to my inquiry from Talkers. In fact, they find it pretty interesting that Jeff Rense is continuing to present this claim on his website, creating the appearance of his inclusion on this popular list, when in fact he is currently not listed. Talkers characterized this misleading representation in one word: "deceptive", saying they will be keeping an eye on Rense and any Talkers-related claims from here on. Take a look at the list linked above. Call Talkers Magazine and ask them yourself if he is indeed on the Heavy Hundred list.

Claim #3: Rense's Myspace web page at:

Rense My Space Profile lists his location as Ashland, Oregon - yet his Rense.com fan page says he is in California. Which is it? Oregon or California? Does Rense have two residences? If so, how does one afford two residences on an Internet radio income?

Of course, the answer could be that one is his residence and the other is his business address, but again I ask: if he is just doing his thing because he is a "true patriot," knowing how hard it is for other true patriots to make ends meet, we have to ask who is paying for his office? What money is backing him? His MySpace page states an income of $100,000-$150,000 per year. That's a pretty good chunk of change for a guy who claims to be in the business out of the goodness of his heart and his interest in truth.

Claim #4: Jeff Rense From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Former television news anchorman Jeff Rense, who lives in Santa Barbara, California, is a popular conspiracy theorist and is the host of the Jeff Rense program which is broadcast on terrestrial radio and on the Internet. He originally became famous in the 90's with the program "Sightings". His radio program and website (See below) cover such subjects as UFO reports, paranormal phenomena, conspiracy theories, reports of new diseases and a plethora of other material rarely covered by the mainstream media. Jeff Rense leans towards a populist approach regarding politics and media. Rense does not subscribe to any conventional political standpoint and many of his views are simultaneously left and right leaning. Rense has one brother: writer, Rip Rense. His step mother, New York socialite and editor-in-chief of Architectural Digest Magazine, is Paige Rense. His father, now deceased, was sports journalist, Arthur F. Rense (1917-1990). Jeff Rense is also a vegan."

Here we learn that Rense's views are simultaneously both left-leaning and right-leaning. Sounds like an impossible contortion to me. It is also established from more than one source that Jeff's father, Arthur Rense, formerly a sportswriter and sometime poet, also landed a job at Douglas Aircraft doing PR. How does a poet and sports writer qualify for work as a public relations director at Douglas Aircraft, one of the biggies of the Military Industrial Complex? Here is the NY Times obituary for Arthur Rense:

Arthur F. Rense, Public Relations Executive, 74
Published: January 5, 1991
"Arthur F. Rense, a retired public relations executive, died on Dec. 28 at his home in Las Vegas, Nev. He was 74 years old. He died of leukemia, said his wife, Paige Rense, editor in chief of Architectural Digest. Mr. Rense had been director of public relations for the Summa Corporation, owned by Howard R. Hughes, until he retired in 1985. He had been public relations director for the missiles and space systems division of Douglas Aircraft Company and director of public relations at Harvey Mudd College in Claremont, Calif. Besides his wife, Mr. Rense is survived by three sons from a former marriage, Kirk of Irvine, Calif., Jeff of Santa Barbara , Calif., and Rip of Sherman Oaks, Calif.; four brothers, Randy, Andy and Frank, all of Cleveland, and William of Denver; and two grandchildren."

Regarding Summa Corporation: The Washington Post for April 1, 1975, carried this information:

Summa Corp. is the financial umbrella under which most of (Howard)Hughes' worth is contained. . . .Most recently, another Summa "asset" hit the news: the $350 million Hughes Glomar Explorer vessel that Hughes built at the behest (and the expense of) the Central Intelligence Agency . . . Mormons, Hughes, & CIA

Summa Corporation has been tied to CIA contracts on more than one occasion, to say the least. Douglas Aircraft Company is also well-known for its numerous government contracts, not to mention the starring role it is now playing in Bush's Endless War. So again I ask: how did "poet and sports writer" Arthur Rense end up as public relations director for Douglas Aircraft and Summa Corp? In bed with the Feds? More importantly, what kind of connections does his son Jeff have with these same gangs? After all, his views are "both left and right" which suggests that he could have "left" views to vacuum in his audience all the while subtly converting them to "right" views.

Douglas Aircraft also has ties with RAND Corporation:

RAND (Encyclopedia)

The RAND Corporation is an American think tank.

"A think tank is a group of individuals dedicated to high-level synergistic research on a variety of subjects, usually in military laboratories, corporations,... first formed to offer research and analysis to the U.S. military. The organization has since expanded to working with other government and commercial organizations Project RAND was set up in 1945 by the USAAF, under contract to the Douglas Aircraft Company. An interesting aside, Condoleezza Rice is a former RAND CorporationTrustee 1991-1997 and current Secretary of State for the United States, a war whore if

The point you seem to be pressing is that any information presented by David Duke is automatically associated with bad information or carries a negative message. Clearly this demonstrates that you're allowing your own bias and prejudice to colour your judgment while using fallacies to promote your argument.

Who in your opinion is one hundred percent reliable, morally sound and has nothing but completely accurate and up to date information which is correct one hundred percent of the time?

Spamfish wrote:
The bold is your claim is it not?
Spamfish wrote: Spamfish wrote:
I assume you have watched the video now, which has little or nothing to do with freedom of speech. I take from your response that you don't agree with the views he is expressing in that video. His past isn't what was being brought up! You made a pointed comment directed at Rense in an attempt to smear him by drawing attention to the fact that he linked to a source of information namely David Duke. Who you obviously consider to be a recognised and established figure to be vilified. The point of that particular video is that it's simply a piece of information which covers a range of topics that many rational people would be hard pressed to argue against. Which demonstrates that it's possible to link to any site if it contains relevant information whether that information is in support of your position or opposes it. The point you seem to be pressing is that any information presented by David Duke is automatically associated with bad information or carries a negative message. Clearly this demonstrates that you're allowing your own bias and prejudice to colour your judgment while using fallacies to promote your argument.

Who in your opinion is one hundred percent reliable, morally sound and has nothing but completely accurate and up to date information which is correct one hundred percent of the time?

He seems pretty inclu­sive to me in that video. He is clearly point­ing a fin­ger at the Zion­ists who con­trol the media and the polit­i­cal estab­lish­ment who are the pro­tag­o­nists behind racial divides and unrest. He also states quite clearly that the Zion­ists are against all races and that peo­ple should unite instead of being played by the sys­tem

Ad hominem attack yes Fallacy no way.