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All things larder... 03 Jun 2012 16:43 #1

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OK. So, I've shelved my larder up but notice recently with the fair weather, something needs to be done about the window.

I blocked it off with a piece of cardboard covered in lining paper presently, but I'm just wondering if anyone else has any suggestions?

I'm assuming that windows are good for ventilation, but this one has been replaced with a frosted upvc version of what was there before (it's a 50s place that would have had a crittal/metal framed window with a black netting built into it for ventilation in the larder).

I don't know why they replaced it like that, but they did and it basically makes the larder pretty useless, temperature wise.

I can't quite get in there to hang a curtain, and I stupidly built the shelves in over the window before I even thought about it effecting temperatures, so the bendy cardboard option seemed to be the easiest option.
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Re: All things larder... 03 Jun 2012 19:05 #2

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I'm not sure I've had a larder with an opening window. Possibly an air brick. Memory doesn't serve me well...

Maybe whitewash the glass to reflect some of them evil sun rays back out?
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Re: All things larder... 03 Jun 2012 23:42 #3

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What you need to block off your window is Kingspan the material they use for insulating roofs, it has silver foil on either side and comes in different thicknesses up to four inches.

Try steering away from cardboard because it will retain heat and transfer it through into the room your trying to insulate and bugs also love to eat the glue in there.

For shelving the best material is concrete pathing slabs which retain their coldness unlike timber which will retain heat.

Try and find some concrete building blocks and start with a nine inch block on the floor and then a slab and some more blocks and so on until you have built yourself a cold tower.


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OK. So, I've shelved my larder up but notice recently with the fair weather, something needs to be done about the window.

I blocked it off with a piece of cardboard covered in lining paper presently, but I'm just wondering if anyone else has any suggestions?

I'm assuming that windows are good for ventilation, but this one has been replaced with a frosted upvc version of what was there before (it's a 50s place that would have had a crittal/metal framed window with a black netting built into it for ventilation in the larder).

I don't know why they replaced it like that, but they did and it basically makes the larder pretty useless, temperature wise.

I can't quite get in there to hang a curtain, and I stupidly built the shelves in over the window before I even thought about it effecting temperatures, so the bendy cardboard option seemed to be the easiest option.
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Re: All things larder... 03 Jun 2012 23:49 #4

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Nothing to do with anything, so forgive me Abs - but, The Apprentice, it's very good to see you back here. I get a lot from your posts. :)

I want a larder now. And an allottment.
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If he undaunted be....". (Beowulf)....
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Re: All things larder... 04 Jun 2012 00:36 #5

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Nothing to do with anything, so forgive me Abs - but, The Apprentice, it's very good to see you back here. I get a lot from your posts. :)

Thanks, there is so much to share and not long enough hours to help those who want to help themselves.

I want a larder now. And an allottment.
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Re: All things larder... 04 Jun 2012 00:38 #6

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Nothing to do with anything, so forgive me Abs - but, The Apprentice, it's very good to see you back here. I get a lot from your posts. :)

I want a larder now. And an allottment.

Ditto. :up:
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Re: All things larder... 04 Jun 2012 00:39 #7

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cantata wrote:
The Apprentice, it's very good to see you back here. I get a lot from your posts. :)

Ditto. :up:

Double ditto :up:
Last Edit: 04 Jun 2012 00:41 by dubs.
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Re: All things larder... 04 Jun 2012 00:48 #8

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The Apprentice wrote:
What you need to block off your window is Kingspan the material they use for insulating roofs, it has silver foil on either side and comes in different thicknesses up to four inches.

Try steering away from cardboard because it will retain heat and transfer it through into the room your trying to insulate and bugs also love to eat the glue in there.

For shelving the best material is concrete pathing slabs which retain their coldness unlike timber which will retain heat.

Try and find some concrete building blocks and start with a nine inch block on the floor and then a slab and some more blocks and so on until you have built yourself a cold tower.

Thanks apprentice!

I hear what you're saying re cardboard, but it's all I can afford at present. It's also really tricky to get up and into the opening to fix anything to it, which is why I opted for this for now. I had thought about painting it out as dubs suggested when I have more cash. I also thought about just using standard foil as a temporary thing, but the window faces the street and I didn't want people to think I was growing something up here that I didn't ought to. :chuckle: As it is, I've double wrapped a slot of cardboard to fit the actual glass panel of the window with lining paper/the vinyl stuff you can buy for tables, so I'll see how that holds up for now.

The larder was already here when I moved in, but had no door or shelving. I just stuck my fridge in there for many years, as it was a bit of a wasted space but decided to reinstate it recently.

It already has a cold slab built-in, and Ive added some wooden shelving above that. I hear what you're saying about concrete though, so thanks again.

There would have been something similar built into the window that was there originally, but whoever replaced it just put a bog standard glazing unit back in. It doesn't open but does have a ventilation slot which I have not blocked. There are air-bricks to the external in the section under the concrete slab, which is in the middle, and another one at the top of the cupboard above the window, so it's quite well ventilated anyway.

Again, until they replaced the window, it would have been a perfectly serviceable storage space, particularly as the kitchen itself is weeny. The landlord, whilst doing this for some reason refuses to remove the actual brick walls of the larder and the concrete slab, so I thought I'd make use of it. I'm very proud, even if I do say so myself. Plus, it makes my Spam look a bit less naff.
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Re: All things larder... 04 Jun 2012 00:50 #9

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dubmeup wrote:
Ab Origine wrote:
cantata wrote:
The Apprentice, it's very good to see you back here. I get a lot from your posts. :)

Ditto. :up:

Double ditto :up:

Treble ditto icon....with music.

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Forget yesterday. It has already forgotten you.
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Re: All things larder... 04 Jun 2012 01:01 #10

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Ab Origine wrote:
I just stuck my fridge in there for many years, as it was a bit of a wasted space but decided to reinstate it recently.
I take it you've removed the fridge yeah
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Re: All things larder... 04 Jun 2012 01:04 #11

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dubmeup wrote:
Ab Origine wrote:
I just stuck my fridge in there for many years, as it was a bit of a wasted space but decided to reinstate it recently.
I take it you've removed the fridge yeah

Yes. :marx:
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Re: All things larder... 04 Jun 2012 01:07 #12

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Ab Origine wrote:
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I just stuck my fridge in there for many years, as it was a bit of a wasted space but decided to reinstate it recently.
I take it you've removed the fridge yeah

Yes. :marx:
Sorry, I know you're not a silly boy but I had to ask :emb:
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Re: All things larder... 04 Jun 2012 01:22 #13

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DUB what is that in your window, looks like a car wreck or something?
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I just stuck my fridge in there for many years, as it was a bit of a wasted space but decided to reinstate it recently.
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Re: All things larder... 04 Jun 2012 01:25 #14

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DUB what is that in your window, looks like a car wreck or something?
It is just that. Don't worry I'll change it soon. Just needed to remind myself of some simple facts of life for a bit :)


*namely don't buy another Vauxhall :D*
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Re: All things larder... 04 Jun 2012 15:47 #15

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I think I asked on the old forum, but never really got much response. Is there any kind of larder 'etiquette' I should be following?

I mean in terms of what goes where and so on. Nobody seems to know this stuff any more and they certainly don't teach you it in school. I have a section for spices, one for canned veg and soups, one for canned meats/fish, one for fresh veggies and one for sweets. The slab itself is good for keeping butter at the ideal temp and is also good for resting meats. The area under the slab is where I keep powdered stuff and utensils for the moment.

I have noticed it's been excellent for butter, so far. Keeps it nice and spreadable but helps it last.

I've re-made the frame so that the door fits nice and snug but I just need to find something to attach to the bottom re possible ingress of rodents and such, if I get anything like that happening here. Otherwise, it's pretty well sealed.

I have a theory about the decline of larders/pantrys actually. Of course, they require no electricity which you have to pay someone else for usually, never break down and rarely need repairing. I'm sure you can follow that one through to it's natural conclusion.

I've done without a fridge for a fair while actually, thanks to getting this baby up and running. I did get myself a small undercounter one recently, but only really because it had a seperate freezer compartment with it's own door, which is useful for meats and stuff.

How did we all get duped so easily by the advertisers on this one? Larder wins it for me by a mile on most counts.
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Last Edit: 04 Jun 2012 15:51 by Abs.
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Re: All things larder... 04 Jun 2012 17:32 #16

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Ab Origine wrote:
I think I asked on the old forum, but never really got much response. Is there any kind of larder 'etiquette' I should be following?

I mean in terms of what goes where and so on. Nobody seems to know this stuff any more and they certainly don't teach you it in school. I have a section for spices, one for canned veg and soups, one for canned meats/fish, one for fresh veggies and one for sweets. The slab itself is good for keeping butter at the ideal temp and is also good for resting meats. The area under the slab is where I keep powdered stuff and utensils for the moment.

I have noticed it's been excellent for butter, so far. Keeps it nice and spreadable but helps it last.

I've re-made the frame so that the door fits nice and snug but I just need to find something to attach to the bottom re possible ingress of rodents and such, if I get anything like that happening here. Otherwise, it's pretty well sealed.

I have a theory about the decline of larders/pantrys actually. Of course, they require no electricity which you have to pay someone else for usually, never break down and rarely need repairing. I'm sure you can follow that one through to it's natural conclusion.

I've done without a fridge for a fair while actually, thanks to getting this baby up and running. I did get myself a small undercounter one recently, but only really because it had a seperate freezer compartment with it's own door, which is useful for meats and stuff.

How did we all get duped so easily by the advertisers on this one? Larder wins it for me by a mile on most counts.
I think you have used the right common sense approach. Stuff that needs keeping cool is best placed on the stone shelving. Stuff that doesn't can go elsewhere. Meats in their own area. Herbs/spices and other stuffs that could taint the flavour of other foods best kept away and ideally in a sealed box. You're on the right track :)
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